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Something is bugging me about this AoS battle. The table was 48"x48". Each player has a 12" deployment zone. That's half the table. Is this necessary to fit the recommended numbers of Citadel Miniatures on the table, or is it supposed to serve a tactical purpose? If you have to hide anything valuable in the back 4" to prevent things like sorcerers on magic carpets swooping in to delete it before you can possibly do anything at all then I'm not sure I see the point.
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12" deployment zones on a 48" wide table is traditional, friend. Why would you think the AoS Rulesmasters would carefully consider the implications of and reasons for doing this before writing it into the rules?
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Feb 21, 2017 18:06
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TKIY posted:I engaged in discussion. I thought this had to be hyperbole, then I went back and checked the thread. You weren't kidding
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Feb 21, 2017 18:09
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90s Cringe Rock posted:12" deployment zones on a 48" wide table is traditional, friend. Why would you think the AoS Rulesmasters would carefully consider the implications of and reasons for doing this before writing it into the rules? At 4x4 I mostly play Dropzone where deployment zones are 6" or everything starts off the board. 12" just seems excessive unless you are deploying a lot of stuff (in which case the table is probably overcrowded) or the board is particularly terrain dense.
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Feb 21, 2017 18:11
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TheChirurgeon posted:I thought this had to be hyperbole, then I went back and checked the thread. You weren't kidding I'm still not convinced it was anything I posted, but the last two or three pages were actually decent? Way less mockery and name calling than usual. I'm kind of pissed off because now that I've engaged this beast I am determined to figure out how to bloody well enjoy it. Sure it's stupid, but I am a stupid sometimes.
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Feb 21, 2017 18:45
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Ugleb posted:At 4x4 I mostly play Dropzone where deployment zones are 6" or everything starts off the board. 12" just seems excessive unless you are deploying a lot of stuff (in which case the table is probably overcrowded) or the board is particularly terrain dense. I think there's straight-up some models that have bases longer than 6" now
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Feb 21, 2017 18:45
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TKIY posted:I'm still not convinced it was anything I posted, but the last two or three pages were actually decent? Way less mockery and name calling than usual. We are all Sisyphus, friend.
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Feb 21, 2017 18:47
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Chill la Chill posted:We are all Sisyphus, friend. I continue to sissy fist myself.
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Feb 21, 2017 18:56
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quote:Guaranteed first turn NARRATIVE FORGED
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Feb 21, 2017 19:14
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Not a viking posted:How so? It's even better, because unlike AoS, you don't pay a penalty for choosing to bring in allied units. In AoS you are rewarded for faction fidelity with bonuses, whereas with Kings of War, you need to meet certain force structure requirements to add allies, but you're not actually giving up a bonus to do it.
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Feb 21, 2017 19:21
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Atlas Hugged posted:It was pretty obvious from early on that all they wanted to do was to share lists and to post pictures of new releases. I'm not sure why they felt SA was the best place to do that when plenty of other hugboxes exist. To be fair SA can be a little hug-boxy at times, at least in other sub-forums, which is why I basically only read a few threads. Case in point: Leperflesh's cool new red text. I don't know what he said but knowing how he posts, I imagine it wasn't something entirely unreasonable but it managed to upset someone anyway Not that this is a can of worms I have any desire whatsoever to dive into. Games Workshop is bad, Age of Sigmar is bad. The new Hordes army is cool and good.
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Feb 21, 2017 19:31
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FrostyPox posted:To be fair SA can be a little hug-boxy at times, at least in other sub-forums, which is why I basically only read a few threads. Case in point: Leperflesh's cool new red text. I don't know what he said but knowing how he posts, I imagine it wasn't something entirely unreasonable but it managed to upset someone anyway New Hordes army? Do tell.
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Feb 21, 2017 20:07
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TKIY posted:New Hordes army? You remember Malifaux? That E: Not that its a bad thing, just that PP looked at malifaux and went "this is ours now" AnEdgelord fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Feb 21, 2017 |
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Feb 21, 2017 20:23
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TKIY posted:New Hordes army? Basically it's Alice McGee's fairytales. There's more than a few comparisons to Malifaux's Neverborn that got the Warmahordes thread defensive about but aren't unwarranted. Personally I'm kind of torn. The models themselves are good but the paint jobs are a bit too pastel for the setting so that, even though they fit into the Iron Kingdoms setting nicely, they feel counter to the look and feel of Warmahordes. I get the gut feeling that if Privateer Press' Descent clone was more successful we'd be seeing them as as an expansion to that instead. That said, the center piece warcaster is Not-Baba Yaga riding a robotic chicken hut, which is awesome.
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Feb 21, 2017 20:27
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LordAbaddon posted:You remember Malifaux? Also one of the casters is Annie and Tibbers from LOL.
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Feb 21, 2017 20:32
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I take back every bad thing I've ever said about Games Workshop's teaser videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e15h-fR1rGg
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Feb 21, 2017 20:35
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Jesus Christ, I looked up the new faction because I wanted to see a model and wound up finding a 16 minute long video of a woman doing a witch voice as she described everything. This was an official release. Why?
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Feb 21, 2017 20:47
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FrostyPox posted:Case in point: Leperflesh's cool new red text. I don't know what he said but knowing how he posts, I imagine it wasn't something entirely unreasonable but it managed to upset someone anyway quote:Not that this is a can of worms I have any desire whatsoever to dive into.
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Feb 21, 2017 20:50
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Oh and by the way, here is my official 'how to sort of fix AoS pretty quickly' rules, copyright me, because I wrote them. All based on snap judgements and limited information so they should be perfect. Step 1: Army building is pretty much fine the way it is in the Generals Handbook, but allow the addition of 'Grand Alliance' allies without losing your primary factions bonus. An Ally matrix might be overkill but it's stupid that I can't take Wood Elf archers with Treedudes without giving up all the fun Treedude faction rules. Maybe your General and Battleline units must come from your primary faction, and each other faction you ally in you must take one battleline unit for each other unit. Step 2: Characters can now allocate shooting hits (not wounds, hits) to friendly Battleline units within 3" on a 4+. Characters need some protection but it shouldn't be complete and automatic. Mortal wounds can not be allocated. Step 3: Warmachine crew can not be targeted by ranged attacks or spells. Crew stats are for melee only. Step 4: Mortal Wounds need a bit of a trim back somehow. Maybe no armour save on a 4+. Step 5: Alternating turn priority is kind of bullshit, but if you have to keep it, make the turn order static but each turn the 2nd place player may opt to try and seize the initiative on 6+ There, done. Not a perfect game but better. TKIY fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Feb 21, 2017 |
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Feb 21, 2017 20:50
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TheChirurgeon posted:I think there's straight-up some models that have bases longer than 6" now Like the PHR big spider-walker things - these are fine, you deploy them touching the baseline when they come on.
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Feb 21, 2017 20:58
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Basically it's Alice McGee's fairytales. There's more than a few comparisons to Malifaux's Neverborn that got the Warmahordes thread defensive about but aren't unwarranted. Isn't there already one of those in the Not Russia faction?
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Feb 21, 2017 21:03
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Bad Moon posted:Isn't there already one of those in the Not Russia faction? Its the same one To further drive home the Malifaux connection they made her a dual Warlock/Warcaster for both factions.
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Feb 21, 2017 21:06
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TKIY posted:Step 1: They are almost there with some of the battalions, but not quite. There are some sylvaneth battalions that let you take a wizard from anywhere in the order, or 2 units of duarvediners, etc. Something a bit more flexible would be cool, while still disallowing some factions from just including the fliers or warmachines or whatever that would round out their force and push it over the top (*cough* I used cheap harpies in virtually every WHFB army to pick off warmachine crews. I don't remember the edition, whatever was out when WH40K 2nd was out. "They uhh kind of look like flying skaven"). The other problem is that a bunch of the battalions that let you pull in allies don't have point costs for some reason. So, there is a battalion box for ironjawz that includes a giant, which is part of the super-faction and not ironjawz. They include an Ironjawz battalion warscroll that has a giant in it, but there is not points value assigned to it so you can't technically use the special battalion rules for matched play; if you include the giant in matched play, you can't use black orks or brutes as battle line anymore. Some people on the internet have tried to assign point values for all of these, but that's obviously not going to work everywhere. Hopefully they cut that out with GHB2 and give points to all of these things. fozzy fosbourne fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Feb 21, 2017 |
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Feb 21, 2017 21:10
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Safety Factor posted:Jesus Christ, I looked up the new faction because I wanted to see a model and wound up finding a 16 minute long video of a woman doing a witch voice as she described everything. This was an official release. Why? I'm not particularly taken by the concept, the idea of a bunch of fairy tale bogeys loses a lot of force given how hosed up the other factions already are. And some of them like the fat pigs just look kind of goofy. Also the concept that Menoth, first human god, was apparently unable to get a five year old child under control and settles for hurling them into hell. This is why you lose followers to Morrow, dude, that is not practical parenting advice for your followers!
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Feb 21, 2017 21:36
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Yo, link me up. I want to see this nice, new faction since it seems interesting.
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Feb 21, 2017 21:48
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I think the core concept of Heretics arisen from hell to enact vengence on the Tyranny of Law itself is a good one. I just wish that they went for something truly demonic rather than the weird Grimm's fairytale by way of Malifaux they went for. Like if they could inject some style from Warhammer Chaos into the faction it would be a lot more interesting and make it less similar in style to Malifaux.
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Feb 21, 2017 21:49
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Chill la Chill posted:Yo, link me up. I want to see this nice, new faction since it seems interesting. Here you go! As mentioned the audio gimmick is not good and gets old very fast.
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Feb 21, 2017 21:55
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Yeah the narration was awful, but personally I love the idea of dudes coming back from hell and using what are essentially the things people have nightmares about and the folk tales and urban legends used to scare children as actual horrific monsters to murder everyone. "My mom used to scare me into doing my chores by saying if I didn't, then the Dread Rot would come and put a pumpkin on my head and make me one of them, ha ha, what a stor- OH GOD THEY'RE HERE THEY'RE REAL AND THEY'RE COMING FOR ME" I can see why it doesn't exactly have universal appeal but it's definitely hitting all the right notes for me (except I still think the pigs are kind of dumb but they still fit the whole "spooky folk fable come to life" bit). FrostyPox fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Feb 21, 2017 |
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Feb 21, 2017 22:03
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That sounds a lot like the KoW Nightstalkers faction.
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Feb 21, 2017 22:14
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Speak of the devil, a tactics article on the AoS 3" bubble thing: https://aos-tactics.com/2017/02/21/zoning-area-denial/ I mean, I'm trying but:  **SIGH**
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Feb 21, 2017 22:17
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FrostyPox posted:Yeah the narration was awful, but personally I love the idea of dudes coming back from hell and using what are essentially the things people have nightmares about and the folk tales and urban legends used to scare children as actual horrific monsters to murder everyone. Some of it is good and some is eh. The Hollow Men, for example, I think are pretty cool, and the warbeasts are generally good (I don't particularly like the dude with a huge yoke and cages, mostly because the whole thing just seems too blocky and static). Of the three Defiers they show, I actually like the Dreamer and the Heretic well enough. The Child isn't terrible as such, its just kind of a really overdone idea and not one I think needs to be retrod again. Usually PP is better about that - like their take on Dragons is different than most fantasy stuff and that makes it interesting.
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Feb 21, 2017 22:27
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Sorry to go back a couple pages, but can I get a source for this?
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Feb 21, 2017 22:30
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TKIY posted:Speak of the devil, a tactics article on the AoS 3" bubble thing: https://aos-tactics.com/2017/02/21/zoning-area-denial/ Wait a second: quote:The size and shape of you base also contributes to the size of your zone bubble. Skeleton bases have a diameter of roughly a 1″. This creates a bubble with a 7″ diamator. Cavalry bases create an oval zone bubble that has a diameter of 9″ long and 7.5″ wide. You can see how bigger and longer bases can help you deny larger areas. I thought that in AoS bases are purely decorate and all measuring should be done from the actual model itself?
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Feb 21, 2017 22:32
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Atlas Hugged posted:It was pretty obvious from early on that all they wanted to do was to share lists and to post pictures of new releases. List posting is some of the worst type of posting imo
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Feb 21, 2017 23:02
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Moola posted:List posting is some of the worst type of posting imo 
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Feb 21, 2017 23:06
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either you play casual, so loving take whatever you want it doesnt matter Or you're a tournament player, so you probably already know whats good, so why are you posting your army list? I hate how it dominates so many threads, its not even GW exclusive
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Feb 21, 2017 23:09
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Ashcans posted:Wait a second: Even the die hardiest of die hards plays base to base now.
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Feb 21, 2017 23:16
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TKIY posted:Even the die hardiest of die hards plays base to base now. Next you will be telling me that people don't even measure turns as part of model movement. 
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Feb 21, 2017 23:18
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TKIY posted:Even the die hardiest of die hards plays base to base now. At my store everyone measures-to-model!  (They do not account for turning)
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spectralent posted:At my store everyone measures-to-model! Purge the unclean.
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