|
eames posted:meanwhile over at amazon... safe to say that these are going to run fairly hot. This is bullshit, the 9590 didn't even require a $100 cooler and it was a 220W part. On top of that we've already seen the OEM HSFs and the biggest one is still modestly sized compared to the 3rd party offerings. Amazon probably has a thousand dollar PSU to sell you too.
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2017 23:11
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 20, 2024 11:29 |
|
|
If I built a Ryzen system I'd expect to just use the Hyper 212+ I've used on everything for years.
|
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2017 23:35
|
|
|
FuturePastNow posted:If I built a Ryzen system I'd expect to just use the Hyper 212+ I've used on everything for years. The new Wraith Max cooler coming with Ryzen will actually have more performance than the Hyper 212+. The original Wraith is 455g and had similar performance, the new one is 545g so it should perform even better. AMD stock coolers >>>>> Intel Stock coolers now.
|
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2017 23:41
|
|
|
|
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2017 23:43
|
|
|
Plus given that this is a brand new, 1st run architecture by a company with nowhere near the r&d expenditure of intel on what is close to a top of the line process run by a company that really isn't top of the line and has had historical issues with this sort of thing, I'd say it has a real good future. I mean, it's not like these aren't issues they can't fix. I mean, when have early adopters ever had the best deal lol? If glofo can find their rear end and/or AMD finally is able to move their product to Samsung (maybe also with a process shrink to 10 or 7 by the time they get there, as a 5-15% shrink will definitely help things)
|
|
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2017 23:55
|
|
|
Yea, if they end up scoring clockspeed gains like Intel did in their second generation 14nm re-spins (easy 4.8-5ghz clocks) then things look like it'll be fantastic.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 00:02
|
|
|
hifi posted:This is bullshit, the 9590 didn't even require a $100 cooler and it was a 220W part. On top of that we've already seen the OEM HSFs and the biggest one is still modestly sized compared to the 3rd party offerings. Amazon probably has a thousand dollar PSU to sell you too. The top OEM cooler is rated for 140W TDP and the guys with obvious insider knowledge say that Ryzen around 4 GHz hits 90C on air. Something does not add up there. gamersnexus posted:China-based motherboard manufacturer Maxsun plays an important role in our largely US-driven coverage: The exposure of AMD’s cooling solutions, through branding that states “Support AMD S3.0 Radiator.” From this, we can postulate that AMD’s planning at least one CLC solution for its upcoming Ryzen CPUs, likely alongside a few other stock cooling solutions. We’ll explore that more in a post soon. "Black Bundle" sounds pretty OEM to me, not like something that Amazon came up with. I want AMD to beat Intel's lazy rear as much as any other CPU consumer but it seems likely to me that the 1800X is a highly binned, factory overclocked and very cooling sensitive "Black Edition" SKU with little additional OC headroom. Not that that's a bad thing. On the bright side I recall launch RX480s throttling at more than 150W with stock frequencies. Fast forward a few months and suddenly youtubers reviewed factory overclocked cards that never went above 100W during Firestrike. 
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 00:07
|
|
|
eames posted:
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 01:34
|
|
|
a week after ryzen is released, the value is undermined by the US dollar's value suddenly sinking due to the great depression 2: "we forgot to kill the robber barons" finally hitting the stock market
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 02:20
|
|
|
We will be forced to trade in Ryzen CPUs as currency
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 03:16
|
|
|
eames posted:https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/amd_reveals_a_exascale_mega_apu_in_a_new_academic_paper/1 Maybe dumb question, but what is the reason to not go all in and put DRAM on the CPU Chiplets themselves as well? If you are going to put all the GPU DRAM on the the GPU Dies directly, couldn't the same be done on the CPU Die and just cut out the distance middleman and make that chip absolutely fly? Even if the clocks were kept to a low level, having everything SoC like should be a compact posiblity. Or am I missing something/smoking crack/dumb and uneducated on chip design?
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 03:26
|
|
|
EdEddnEddy posted:Maybe dumb question, but what is the reason to not go all in and put DRAM on the CPU Chiplets themselves as well? If you are going to put all the GPU DRAM on the the GPU Dies directly, couldn't the same be done on the CPU Die and just cut out the distance middleman and make that chip absolutely fly? Even if the clocks were kept to a low level, having everything SoC like should be a compact posiblity. Or am I missing something/smoking crack/dumb and uneducated on chip design?
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 03:31
|
|
|
On the one hand, zero-discount bundles are absolutely meaningless, and have nothing to do with amd or corsair and everything to do amazon trying to sell more stuff. Unless you think this bundle says something about the thermals of that CPU or a intel/thermaltake deal? Water coolers are a thing that nerds who drop $400 on a CPU might be induced to buy. On the other hand, AMD must be performance competitive and in recent years they've frequently done it by yelling for more powah!!! AMD's TDP numbers are not the same as other TDP numbers -- when they say a part uses 95 watts, there's no max or maybe about it. That chip is eating those 95 watts and then licking the plate for leftover electrons. Let's not forget that the 480 drew out-of-spec power because it couldn't keep under 150w in real-world use. EdEddnEddy posted:Maybe dumb question, but what is the reason to not go all in and put DRAM on the CPU Chiplets themselves as well? edit: ^^^ the above is strictly about general purpose CPUs, I know nothing about HPC
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 03:44
|
|
|
Klyith posted:That chip is eating those 95 watts and then licking the plate for leftover electrons. I love that mental image and I'm stealing it for later.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 03:45
|
|
|
Klyith posted:On the other hand, AMD must be performance competitive and in recent years they've frequently done it by yelling for more powah!!! AMD's TDP numbers are not the same as other TDP numbers -- when they say a part uses 95 watts, there's no max or maybe about it. That chip is eating those 95 watts and then licking the plate for leftover electrons. Let's not forget that the 480 drew out-of-spec power because it couldn't keep under 150w in real-world use.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 03:52
|
|
|
Klyith posted:Intel has eDRAM on some Iris Pro chips, and one possible thing they might do if Ryzen really does start eating their lunch is put that on all CPUs in the next cycle. If you're not using it for the on-die graphics it becomes a sort of superior universal cache that sits directly on the memory controller. IIRC people tested mostly-identical mobile chips but with & without the eDRAM, and it was a modest performance gain for many tasks. It's also pretty expensive and failure prone. Intel is most likely to put out 6 and 8 core chips with varying features (HT, video, ???) to try to fill in the gap in their market segmentation AMD is pushing into. It would have a (relatively) low development cost, though I don't see how they could do it without another socket, or a huge price cut on an existing high end socket. Still, there is a time window for AMD to get established that Intel will have a tough time with, even if the impact on their bottom line is actually pretty minimal.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 04:09
|
|
|
of course there's also the possibility that Intel has been doing something other than this with their time for the last 5 years. I mean, if we're wildly speculating here, their slowdown in performance improvements could be them keeping stuff in their back pocket that they just haven't bothered with. But as long as ryzen is at least good enough to compete and force intel to respond in some way I'll be happy -- price drops, big performance improvements, or going super saiyan, I don't care.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 05:13
|
|
|
Klyith posted:if we're wildly speculating here, their slowdown in performance improvements could be them keeping stuff in their back pocket that they just haven't bothered with. ... or perhaps they simply didn't expect AMD to become competitive again. 
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 07:42
|
|
|
fishmech posted:The Vive and other VR headsets really do want as many cores and as much GPU as you can throw at them, though GPU certainly helps much more. Having more CPU cores does help in getting more consistent framerates, which is vital for the 3D effect to not become unpleasant. Yeah, there's a separate program that does the positioning from the sensors back to the lighthouse, or from the cameras to the IR constellation. This is a totally separate thread from the game engine itself and will occupy at least a full core/two hyperthreads all on its own. VR is definitely one of the valid use-cases for >4 cores right now. The Rift in particular is brutal, because it's got two USB 3.0 cameras pumping frames at it as fast as it can go and it needs to process all that data quickly. The Vive is a lot better system in a technical sense. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Feb 22, 2017 |
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 08:30
|
|
|
EdEddnEddy posted:But also getting 8 cores up above 4.2+Ghz together isn't even something you do on Intel all that much currently so even if they are behind, at the prices they look to be launching at, they are ahead. I don't know about that. My 5820K (6-core) hits 4.13 GHz at stock voltages. I have it on a fairly small AIO all things considered (140mm - Nepton 140 XL) and I peak around 77C running Prime95. My understanding is that the 5960X and the 6900K both hit 4.5 GHz fairly reliably and you should hit 4.4 GHz minimum. The power consumption goes up very steeply beyond that and I wouldn't expect more than about 4.7 GHz even pumping a lot of voltage through a golden sample, but 4.2 GHz is not really that special. So overall, Zen only hitting 4.4 GHz before it hits the wall isn't really all that fantastic. That's pretty much the ballpark you'd expect, and it's not really going to give them an edge in overclocking benchmarks. Now, where it will give them an edge is stock clocks. Intel's stock clocks on the HEDT chips are trash, the 5820K is 3.3/3.6 GHz, and AMD is going to come in 10% over that, which will help keep them in play even with their IPC disadvantage. It'll all come down to pricing. I expect the 4- and 6-core options to be kinda meh when put head-to-head against i5s and i7s, especially if they have the garbage 3.2 and 3.4 GHz stock clocks, but the 8-core should hold a bit of a lead over the Intel 6-cores. Now, if they are priced way above the 6-cores, it's still gonna be a poo poo deal. The 5820K has been $330 at Microcenter for like years now. It was an old-rear end deal even a year ago when I built my system. It's gonna be pretty lol if AMD only wants $500 for a processor that's only marginally faster. I'll definitely give them a look though, I still really want a powerful system built into a tiny mITX case (Mini-Box M350) and Intel HEDT is just not good for that either in terms of motherboards or heat output. They want you to stay under 65W TDP for that case, even 95W would be pushing it hard. And there's only one LGA2011v3 mobo in mITX form-factor and it's a technological marvel that it even exists. Just lookit that loving component density   Oh and it's actually got a decent amount of stuff on the other side too - a couple controllers and a bunch of discretes. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Feb 22, 2017 |
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 08:47
|
|
|
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5vi00w/amd_we_beat_our_goal/
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 11:58
|
|
|
is that the new "moar cores dot png"?
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 12:02
|
|
|
Every workload that isn't bound by memory responds to frequency or IPC. A lesson that AMD took far too long to learn, but here we are. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Feb 22, 2017 |
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 12:37
|
|
|
IPC going to exceed Haswell?
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 14:00
|
|
|
EdEddnEddy posted:Maybe dumb question, but what is the reason to not go all in and put DRAM on the CPU Chiplets themselves as well? If you are going to put all the GPU DRAM on the the GPU Dies directly, couldn't the same be done on the CPU Die and just cut out the distance middleman and make that chip absolutely fly? Even if the clocks were kept to a low level, having everything SoC like should be a compact posiblity. Or am I missing something/smoking crack/dumb and uneducated on chip design? Building more and more components in to the same die is going to exponentially increases the validation/binning costs, if it can be reliably made at all. I mean, think about how often you have a bad stick of ram and need to replace it. (Hell, one of the most reliable mantras of PC troubleshooting is "IT'S ALWAYS YOUR RAM") Can't do that if the RAM is built in to your CPU core. It's not like it's impossible, because we've already seen the Iris chips with their onboard memory, but it might not be worth the cost to try and shove a significant amount on there.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 15:17
|
|
|
The gaming+streaming benchmark here is a nice idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rUndzpdo1I I guess an embargo was lifted half an hour ago.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 15:29
|
|
|
Amd tech day stuff is up everywhere, review NDA is still in effect I think. Ryzen does go on pre-order 6pm GMT+2. Its looking like retirement time for 2600k.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 15:56
|
|
|
Pre-orders opening a week before review NDAs are lifted is such bullshit rofl.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 15:57
|
|
|
If you don't like it after you get it, just return it  They are going to be flying off the shelves
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 15:58
|
|
|
Gwaihir posted:Pre-orders opening a week before review NDAs are lifted is such bullshit rofl. Well, at least you don't need to preorder it! 
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 15:58
|
|
|
Am I right in thinking that there are no ITX motherboards available to begin with for Ryzen?
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 16:00
|
|
|
Ihmemies posted:Well, at least you don't need to preorder it! I mean, I'm not because I don't need a new machine, so it's not me buying, it's just an aggravating trend.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 16:02
|
|
|
Dammit AMD, do I want the 1700x or 1800x?
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 16:08
|
|
|
100$ for a 200mhz base clock jump seems like a rather poor return on your monies.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 16:13
|
|
|
AMD is... good?  Lungboy posted:Am I right in thinking that there are no ITX motherboards available to begin with for Ryzen? Yeah we haven't seen any yet.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 16:13
|
|
|
Gwaihir posted:100$ for a 200mhz base clock jump seems like a rather poor return on your monies. I spent 100 bucks on hyperthreading, bad decisions are in my nature 
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 16:15
|
|
|
Gwaihir posted:Pre-orders opening a week before review NDAs are lifted is such bullshit rofl. It's almost like they targeting the same customers that put stupid amounts of money down on special edition game pre-orders without reviews.....
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 16:15
|
|
|
PerrineClostermann posted:I spent 100 bucks on hyperthreading, bad decisions are in my nature Me too!! 
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 16:19
|
|
|
I mean, it's also probably gonna be a pretty big difference in terms of binning, so it's not that different than a binned/premium GPU really. I'm excited to see what the price curve looks like when they hit sites like silicon lottery, though.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 16:23
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 20, 2024 11:29 |
|
|
I've never really been able to talk myself in to buying based on "premium binning/overclocking ability" but I can and definitely have bought stuff for marginal feature bonuses/extra cores etc.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2017 16:26
|
|