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There's a gallery of pencil sketches done by a 21 year old US soldier in 1944 at the Library of Congress website: http://www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?q=LOT+14007&st=thumbnails&op=PHRASE&sb=call_number
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FastestGunAlive posted:SgtMaj needs his swagger stick He's not going to poke you with his finger now, your too low in the totem pole.
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Feb 21, 2017 18:32
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Ensign Expendable posted:It's a pretty common story for the Winter War and early GPW. Tanks are thrown into battle without recon or any time for the tank commander to get concrete objectives from the infantry commander, infantry doesn't follow tanks, tanks root around the front lines taking losses from AT fire and tank destroyers, eventually drive back to base without achieving anything. Rinse and repeat until 1942-ish. When do these solo missions stop, what's the organizational/doctrine change in question? Is there a specific order/directive? "Only X can command Y unless there is a pressing battlefield need."?
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Feb 21, 2017 18:35
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SeanBeansShako posted:He's not going to poke you with his finger now, your too low in the totem pole. I like to think that the command swagger stick was headed out of style until Patton showed up and was like "oh poo poo,
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Feb 21, 2017 18:41
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Only with the US. Crazy European military tradition and culture stuff has a very long half life.
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spectralent posted:Running an all-tanks game sounds cool, though I wonder if it wouldn't become somewhat stale if you didn't lean heavily on logistics/psychosocial issues for surrounding material, given the relative lack of variety in most 40k army's vehicle sections. This going back nearly 25 years ago but White Dwarf ran a massive all-vehicle battle report, main outcomes were that anything light & fast got zapped once it broke cover & the heavy, slow stuff got stuck in bottlenecks around terrain. Outcome? Bloody stalemate, which is amusing given the WW1 chat in recent posts.
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Feb 21, 2017 19:41
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Raenir Salazar posted:When do these solo missions stop, what's the organizational/doctrine change in question? Is there a specific order/directive? There were instructions written on the proper assignment for each level of tank unit and how far you can break them down. Breaking aparta corps is discouraged, breaking apart a brigadeis forbidden.
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Feb 21, 2017 19:44
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Boiled Water posted:I'm split between hoping it's a metaphor for removing barbed wire and feral cat control. Those things were indeed made for handling wire (and also very handy for handling hot objects), but the Finnish army sort of has this tradition of giving morbid names to stuff. The ones that come to mind are "apinannahka" (monkey skin, or leather winter overrals for tank crews), "luurankotakki" (skeleton jacket, a certain model of jacket for cavalry, named so because of silver ribbons across the breast that looked like ribs). Edit: Here is a dude from the Winter War era in a skeleton jacket 
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Feb 21, 2017 22:45
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Nenonen posted:Infantry-tank cooperation is harder these days. You really don't want to be too close to a MBT when it fires its main gun in an alley because the muzzle blast (made worse by nearby buildings) can maim or kill you and the crew won't notice you, and there's nothing that escorting infantry can do anyway to ATGMs as evidenced by the thousands of videos in which infantry is getting sniped by them. I was gonna say if you screen with infantry they'll probably just blow them up with the ATGM as well. ATGMs appear to be the basic unit of ordinance in Syria currently.
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Feb 21, 2017 22:48
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Ataxerxes posted:Those things were indeed made for handling wire (and also very handy for handling hot objects), but the Finnish army sort of has this tradition of giving morbid names to stuff. The ones that come to mind are "apinannahka" (monkey skin, or leather winter overrals for tank crews), "luurankotakki" (skeleton jacket, a certain model of jacket for cavalry, named so because of silver ribbons across the breast that looked like ribs).  Also in continuation of the terminology, the first camo uniform M/62 is titled "pellepuku" (clown suit, because it's so colourful), the blue exercise attire is called "smurffipuku" (you can figure that one) and the brown pajamas are "runkkupuku" (wank suit).
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Feb 21, 2017 22:52
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Reminds me of this type of winter cap: It is basically an ushanka-type cap made of synthetic material, but is nicknamed "bjørnefitte" (bear oval office). There were also canned field rations officially named reservestridsproviant ("reserve combat provison") shortened RSP. According to the long standing joke, this actually stands for "Rester av Sprengt Personnell" (remains of blasted personel). It was also known as "Død mann på boks" (dead man in a can).
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Feb 21, 2017 23:07
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Swedish entrenchment tool Informal name KLAS: shovel, attack, short/light, for the use of This thread is now about Scandinavia and what we name or things. everything is called bear pussy E. That reminds me of a story, a buddy of mine got in trouble when he articulated an acronym as a word. It sounded like 'female cpl. with big titts'. #AreTroops ThisIsJohnWayne fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Feb 21, 2017 |
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Feb 21, 2017 23:37
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JaucheCharly posted:Glad that I'm not the one who needs to clean the poo poo out afterwards How about being the guy who has to walk over the barbed wire obstacles on a flimsy little board? 
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Feb 22, 2017 00:11
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JcDent posted:Love it how now tankers nor Russians were around to stop Finnish Willy the Coyote antics. I've heard an anecdote that I haven't been able to confirm about a Finnish guy jumping up on a tank and wailing on the hull with a hammer. The crew thought that they were taking AT fire and retreated.
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Feb 22, 2017 01:27
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Boy, German Wikipedia:quote:On 10 August 1938 flew the Fw 200 V1 "Condor" (D-ACON), work no. 2000, the Lufthansa under the command of flight captain Alfred Henke and with Hptm Rudolf von Moreau (2nd pilot), Paul Dierberg (Oberfunker-machinist) and Walter Kober (Oberflugzeugfunker) were the first land-based passenger long-haul aircraft nonstop the 6371.302 kilometer-long distance from Berlin-Staaken to the Floyd Bennett Field in New York City in 24 hours, 56 minutes and 12 seconds; This corresponds to an average speed of 255.499 km / h.
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Speaking of Syrian Civil War stuff, I remember watching maybe back gently caress four-five years ago now? of a Syrian Army unit trying to do some sort of combined arms assault on a neighborhood, with a platoon of T-72's covering BMP's which were delivering soldiers and the video was shot from I assume a command post on top of an apartment block. I just remember that the road seperating the tanks was being driven on so there were civilian cars going 45+ mph between tanks firing and one cut off a BMP as it was trying to cross the road. Also one of the tank gunners/commanders kept loving up and nearly shot one of the BMP's in the rear when it was crossing and the commander kept bitching out some guy named Hasan over the radio. They are probably all dead or refugees now, but that was an interesting video.
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Feb 22, 2017 01:41
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How do you lay barbed wire like that anyway?
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Feb 22, 2017 03:01
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Very carefully.
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So I'm probably missing something obvious but how does one in WWI get past their own barbed wire in an assault? Have your engineers remove it the night before or some such? Just blow it up? Also I remember reading stories of Japanese soldiers who would lay across wire so their fellow troops could cross more quickly. Did that actually happen or is it just the Oriental mindset has no respect for human life type of poo poo?
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Feb 22, 2017 07:26
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I'm sure Trin will be along with the real answer shortly, but my money is on just sapping out from your trench under your wire (and as far as possible in general).
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Feb 22, 2017 07:35
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Pontius Pilate posted:Also I remember reading stories of Japanese soldiers who would lay across wire so their fellow troops could cross more quickly. Did that actually happen or is it just the Oriental mindset has no respect for human life type of poo poo? John McCormick's The Right Kind of War has US Marine recruits in boot camp laying across barbed wire while other recruits run across their backs to the other side. It's a work of fiction, granted, but it's drawn from the author's experience as a WWII Marine Raider, so it's not implausible that US Marines were trained to do it too. hogmartin fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Feb 22, 2017 |
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Pontius Pilate posted:So I'm probably missing something obvious but how does one in WWI get past their own barbed wire in an assault? Have your engineers remove it the night before or some such? Just blow it up? a) where no-man's land allows wire belts wouldn't be solid, there would be gaps for your troops to filter through. b) engineers roll it back in the night.
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Feb 22, 2017 09:20
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OwlFancier posted:I was gonna say if you screen with infantry they'll probably just blow them up with the ATGM as well. ATGMs appear to be the basic unit of ordinance in Syria currently. ATGMs aren't very effective against infantry due to their shaped charge warheads though, they don't actually have a whole ton of explosives in them. The explosion is also focused directly in front of the where the round impacts: hence you can see in Syrian civil war videos where a dude will get whacked by an ATGM but his buddies next to him are practically unscathed, because the round doesn't produce any fragments horizontally.
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Feb 22, 2017 10:48
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HEDP is a thing though.
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gohuskies posted:How about being the guy who has to walk over the barbed wire obstacles on a flimsy little board? Maybe, but I want a fancy hat.
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Feb 22, 2017 11:26
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Pontius Pilate posted:Did that actually happen or is it just the Oriental mindset has no respect for human life type of poo poo? The hell is this poo poo man
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FastestGunAlive posted:The hell is this poo poo man Add quotation marks from "the" to "life"
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FastestGunAlive posted:The hell is this poo poo man He's saying "are these stories actually true or is it just bullshit propaganda of the 'orientals have no respect for human life' variety"?
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Very well, seems likely
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Pontius Pilate posted:So I'm probably missing something obvious but how does one in WWI get past their own barbed wire in an assault? Have your engineers remove it the night before or some such? Just blow it up? Laying one's body across barbed wire appeared in training manuals for all sides in the First World War, although there is little record of what happened when this particular solution was presented to the blokes. As for one's own entanglements; they are deliberately designed with gaps in so that you can send out small patrols and wiring parties at night, with machine guns and other such supporting tomfoolery placed and registered so that it can defend the gaps if some sneaky bugger tries to come in uninvited. When a major offensive is coming, you remove your own wire the night before under cover of darkness (one of many excellent reasons why dawn was a popular time for attacks) and/or dig jumping-off trenches forward into No Man's Land which don't have wire in front. (This in turn is another excellent reason to patrol No Man's Land aggressively at night; you want to deny the enemy as much information as possible about what you happen to be doing out there, and stop them perpetrating similar mean and sneaky schemes against you.)
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All this effort just to get shot before reacing the enemy trench or be bombed out of it. Were German trenches easier to defebd against attempts to retake them than the lovely British/French ones?
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JcDent posted:All this effort just to get shot before reacing the enemy trench or be bombed out of it. All armies had plenty of success in attacks on enemy trenches - for all the talk about how poo poo barbed wire and machine guns are, being under a two week long artillery bombardments isn't too much fun either. However; JcDent posted:Were German trenches easier to defend against attempts to retake them than the lovely British/French ones? Sort of; initially the Germans took huge casualties in poorly organised counterattacks against trenches captured by the allies, one of the major reasons that the Germans took so many casualties at the Somme and Verdun despite being on the defensive. As the war went on though Germans worked out that defence in depth was where it was at, and so put less emphasis on a really strong front line "firing" trench, and instead only left this lightly manned. Meanwhile the bulk of the defensive strength was behind in the form of enfilading hidden machine guns, tunnels, pre-sighted artillery...basically making the hard part not taking the front trench in the first place, but surviving taking the front trench and being able to maintain enough strength to attack out of it.
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MikeCrotch posted:All armies had plenty of success in attacks on enemy trenches - for all the talk about how poo poo barbed wire and machine guns are, being under a two week long artillery bombardments isn't too much fun either. The Entente did eventually learn to deal with this defensive approach by taking and holding the front trench and forcing the Germans with withdraw just by being there, but it was a tough lesson and part of the reason this had some success is because the Germans blew all their reinforcements on the Michael offensive. Then again, the German domestic situation in 1918 demanded that something had to change. World War I had a lot of moving parts.
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Panzeh posted:The Entente did eventually learn to deal with this defensive approach by taking and holding the front trench and forcing the Germans with withdraw just by being there, but it was a tough lesson and part of the reason this had some success is because the Germans blew all their reinforcements on the Michael offensive. Then again, the German domestic situation in 1918 demanded that something had to change. World War I had a lot of moving parts. Yeah, but several million of them weren't moving by the end of the war.
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Not sure if this person was black, but...
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There's also Russian Jewish Hitler, Hero of the Soviet Union.
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Feb 22, 2017 15:39
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*salutes towards grave* So long, Gay Hitler.
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"Why should I change my name? He's the one who sucks."
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:This actually happened at the tail end of World War Two. Well, it wasn't a revolver, it was a M1911 automatic. Best pistol-from-an-aiplane story is that guy at Midway or Coral Sea who, having dropped his bombs and made a few more passes to strafe the Japanese ship he was attacking with his .50s and run them out of ammo, made another pass firing his 1911 out the window. Then made another pass to throw the empty pistol at the ship.  Jack2142 posted:Also one of the tank gunners/commanders kept loving up and nearly shot one of the BMP's in the rear when it was crossing and the commander kept bitching out some guy named Hasan over the radio. MikeCrotch posted:for all the talk about how poo poo barbed wire and machine guns are, being under a two week long artillery bombardments isn't too much fun either. Film of WWI French arty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK8QR8tdnZk&t=58s Those literal 
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Bad Angus! Bad!
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Delivery McGee posted:Before they started mounting machine guns on airplanes (originally they were just used for observation) pilots only had their service revolvers, and did have pistol duels while flying. I think that was from Leyte Gulf and it kind of makes sense. The enemy doesn't know you're out of ammo and has to take evasive action, giving the carriers a few more minutes to escape.
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