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Kurtofan posted:they're retired loving baby boomers ruining everything
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 13:19 |
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# ? May 12, 2024 15:46 |
Jose posted:i have no idea why anyone would vote to extend the wroking week Macron maybe has a chance despite him popping up out of nowhere and having no party (how does he even pick a PM???). If Fillion is the second-place candidate in the first round I feel like Le Pen is going to win.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 13:19 |
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Pissflaps posted:People are unlikely to start taking you seriously if you insist on pretending people have said things they didn't. I thought fake news was all the rage nowadays? Corbs trying to hit May on the NHS at PMQs again. Doesn't seem to be working particularly well.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 13:22 |
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jBrereton posted:Man I hope the next GE is presaged by Corbyn going to I dunno Montserrat to apologise for the mediocre disaster relief while May goes and plants a shiny new flag in Pitcairn to show their attitudes towards Pissflaps posted:The National Front are 'left wing'? Nowdays it seems everyone wants privatize the NHS and police along with their anti-immigrant propaganda.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 13:22 |
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Dabir posted:Hitler was not strictly speaking elected though? At least according to the documentary that was linked in here not so long ago. He was as elected as any leader normally can be in a country with proportional representation. He was head of the party that won the largest share of the vote and therefore went on to head up a coalition government with the DNVP.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 13:25 |
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Jose posted:i have no idea why anyone would vote to extend the wroking week People with a delusional view of how hard they worked to get where they are who are resentful of others "not working hard enough" to get "what they deserve". See: every discussion about welfare, ever
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 13:26 |
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feedmegin posted:He was as elected as any leader normally can be in a country with proportional representation. He was head of the party that won the largest share of the vote and therefore went on to head up a coalition government with the DNVP.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 13:30 |
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This isn't really relative to any discussion going on just now, but one of Malatesta's letters keeps doing laps in the back of my mind, and I wanted to share it with the thread because it's interesting:quote:There are the “worker-minded” people, who consider having callous hands as being divinely imbued with all merits and all virtues; they protest if you dare talking about people and mankind, failing to swear on the sacred name of proletariat.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 13:36 |
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Jose posted:i have no idea why anyone would vote to extend the wroking week Because France has very strict maximum hours legislation - when we got bought out by a French company many years ago, we ended up fielding stuff that they couldn't do because they had run out of hours. If you work minimum wage jobs but struggle to cover the bills and the government says you can't work more hours, then either wages need to rise or hours do. So, it is obvious that the poor must be made to work harder to earn their pittances. But you sell it as 'we would give you more money (as hours) but the regulations stop us! Vote for us and we will let you work 60 hour weeks and then be rolling in money!' It's another flavour of republican style FYGM.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 13:40 |
OzyMandrill posted:Because France has very strict maximum hours legislation
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 13:43 |
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Pissflaps posted:The National Front are 'left wing'? Fascists have used left-wing economic rhetoric from the very start: quote:11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished. The real miracle of the modern right-wing is that for the most part they've managed to convince people to vote for a platform that is nakedly "More money for the rich, gently caress the poor".
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 13:46 |
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Big Tone lays into the Daily Mail https://twitter.com/tonyblairoffice/status/834376552204947457
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 13:46 |
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Chris Bryant is claiming the Russians interfered in our elections, too.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 13:47 |
Finally all guilt from Labour for running such a poo poo campaign in 2015 they couldn't beat Cameron at a low ebb can be washed off by the same "it was russians" garbage as the Clinton campaign.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 13:50 |
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That explains that council by election result.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 13:50 |
Is Labour's Digital Czar Tom Watson hiring Russian Hackers to Read YOUR Emails?
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 13:54 |
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jBrereton posted:Finally all guilt from Labour for running such a poo poo campaign in 2015 they couldn't beat Cameron at a low ebb can be washed off by the same "it was russians" garbage as the Clinton campaign. Trump, or at least the people around him, are obviously compromised by the Russians but why the gently caress would they care if they got Miliband or Cameron? Hey, at least it would explain the recurring theme in the press of Red Ed being so weak and how he'd be so intimidated by Big Bad Vlad.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 13:54 |
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Baron Corbyn posted:Trump, or at least the people around him, are obviously compromised by the Russians but why the gently caress would they care if they got Miliband or Cameron? Hey, at least it would explain the recurring theme in the press of Red Ed being so weak and how he'd be so intimidated by Big Bad Vlad. bcause getting cameron gets them brexit
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 13:55 |
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I'm pretty sure the Russians interfered with the Bristol mayoral elections in 2012 as well
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 13:55 |
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Chris Bryant is a silly billy.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 13:57 |
Baron Corbyn posted:Trump, or at least the people around him, are obviously compromised by the Russians but why the gently caress would they care if they got Miliband or Cameron? Hey, at least it would explain the recurring theme in the press of Red Ed being so weak and how he'd be so intimidated by Big Bad Vlad.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 13:59 |
The only way they were ever going to retake the Straits of the Dardanelles was by injecting Ed Miliband with a substance that made him get married to his long-standing partner because someone thought that would make Christians vote for him.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 14:02 |
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TheRat posted:For what it's worth, Mark Blyth seemed fairly certain that Le Pen would win last I saw. Something about her party being the only actual left wing/workers policy party (if you ignore the fascism/racism) What about the actual communists?
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 14:03 |
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Looke posted:I'm pretty sure the Russians interfered with the Bristol mayoral elections in 2012 as well How we ended up voting yes to elected mayors I'll never know (that's a lie, it was stupid wanks wanting a version of Boris to get the arena built)
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 14:03 |
Badger of Basra posted:What about the actual communists?
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 14:03 |
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Baron Corbyn posted:Trump, or at least the people around him, are obviously compromised by the Russians but why the gently caress would they care if they got Miliband or Cameron? Hey, at least it would explain the recurring theme in the press of Red Ed being so weak and how he'd be so intimidated by Big Bad Vlad. I don't actually believe they interfered with the election itself*, but you could certainly say that Cameron's much more laissez-faire economic policy and frankly shambolic energy policy are both directly and hugely advantageous to Russian plutocrats. If they could have chosen someone to be PM it would have been Farage but if they could only nudge things a few points then Cameron would have been their choice. * but I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out they were working, with technical and with human sources, within the parties to get an idea what was going on - that's what intelligence agencies do.
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Badger of Basra posted:What about the actual communists? I meant among the three viable candidates.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 14:05 |
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TheRat posted:I meant among the three viable candidates. Like I'm sure they have reasons that seem really important in a bubble but from an outside perspective, the unwillingness of Hamon and Melenchon to put their differences outside and let us see an election won by someone other than an actual fascist or a neoliberal shite would be fantastic.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 14:10 |
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Pissflaps posted:Big Tone lays into the Daily Mail He's right to criticise the hypocrisy of the Daily Mail, but he loses it at the end when he starts going 'don't blame me, I SUPPORTED the indefinite detention and abuse of British citizens without trial'.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 14:19 |
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Baron Corbyn posted:Like I'm sure they have reasons that seem really important in a bubble but from an outside perspective, the unwillingness of Hamon and Melenchon to put their differences outside and let us see an election won by someone other than an actual fascist or a neoliberal shite would be fantastic. Same reason the Labour 'Moderates' won't accept the Labour Left, really. There's narcissism of small differences to contend with and in France it's ramped up to "gently caress YOUUUUU" "NO gently caress YOUUUUUU" "NO gently caress YOUUUUUUUU" but in French and with heavy metal in the background.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 14:19 |
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TheRat posted:I meant among the three viable candidates. Maybe Melenchon would be viable if the French workers voted for him instead of a fascist.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 14:21 |
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Tesseraction posted:Same reason the Labour 'Moderates' won't accept the Labour Left, really. There's narcissism of small differences to contend with and in France it's ramped up to "gently caress YOUUUUU" "NO gently caress YOUUUUUU" "NO gently caress YOUUUUUUUU" but in French and with heavy metal in the background. Hope it's French heavy metal. Some Deathspell Omega or Monarch.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 14:23 |
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Tesseraction posted:"gently caress YOUUUUU" "NO gently caress YOUUUUUU" "NO gently caress YOUUUUUUUU" but in French and with heavy metal in the background. The Tony Blair Office sounds like an institute that keeps track of his whereabouts to warn people in advance.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 14:24 |
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Tony Blair is a loving lunatic, news at 11
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 14:26 |
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Tesseraction posted:Same reason the Labour 'Moderates' won't accept the Labour Left, really. There's narcissism of small differences to contend with and in France it's ramped up to "gently caress YOUUUUU" "NO gently caress YOUUUUUU" "NO gently caress YOUUUUUUUU" but in French and with heavy metal in the background. the Labour moderates would be detecting to Macron in droves if they were French. Like I can understand someone like Umunna or Kendall agitating under Corbyn because they have very different politics, but Hamon and Melenchon both seem to be actual leftists and are clearly better options than anyone else in the west is getting. It's just sad they're splitting each other's vote when France could give the rest of us some hope.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 14:29 |
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The Tony Blair office sounds like it knows how to issue a press release.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 14:29 |
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Indeed. To think how narrowly we avoided Brexit. Thanks Tone.
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# ? Feb 22, 2017 14:42 |
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Baron Corbyn posted:It's just sad they're splitting each other's vote when France could give the rest of us some hope. This is thefrenchleft.txt
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Regarde Aduck posted:Indeed. To think how narrowly we avoided Brexit. Thanks Tone. Brexit wouldn't have happened on Tony's watch.
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TheRat posted:For what it's worth, Mark Blyth seemed fairly certain that Le Pen would win last I saw. Something about her party being the only actual left wing/workers policy party (if you ignore the fascism/racism) I remember seeing that video too. It was apparently a newsnight interview, but all I can find is this one, from the "Brexit Channel" (lol). Mark Blyth starts at 3:40. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o9T_5S5638
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