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Computer viking posted:The one problem with the 32GB Win10 devices is that you risk getting into a state where the space required to install windows updates is larger than the free disk space - we ran into that with a stick PC at home. Well just disable automatic upd- wait nevermind!
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H2SO4 posted:They say that, but you can't hear it because you loaded Linux and don't have any soundcard drivers. 
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Feb 21, 2017 20:03
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Computer viking posted:The one problem with the 32GB Win10 devices is that you risk getting into a state where the space required to install windows updates is larger than the free disk space - we ran into that with a stick PC at home. quote:Only having 32 GB of storage is quite problematic for a device intended to run Windows 10. Windows 10 requires 32 GB storage for itself, leaving no room for any user data. Even with no user data, 32 GB is actually not enough to run Windows Update to keep the device up to date. You're not kidding! Thanks for the warning.
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Feb 21, 2017 22:49
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spog posted:You're not kidding! Thanks for the warning.  It also says how to overcome temporary lack of space during updates with external storage.Not recommending it or anything, but it's not like these devices come from the factory with zero space for user data or no way to do regular updates. e: In fact my dad is using a tablet-like thing with 32GB storage and it went through the anniversary update and anything following that no problem.
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Feb 21, 2017 23:16
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Flipperwaldt posted:The link to Windows 10's system requirements in that exact quote you took from the stick pc link says Windows 10 requires 16GB for itself (these are 32 it installs for that very reason) thanks. quote:Small storage devices, like devices with 32GB hard drives or older devices with full hard drives, may need additional storage to complete the upgrade. You'll see instructions during the upgrade telling you what to do. You may need to either remove unneeded files from your device, or insert a USB flash drive to complete the upgrade. I wonder if they got confused because they were doing an upgrade, not a fresh install and forgot that after an upgrade, you have two installs of windows until you delete the old one.
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Feb 21, 2017 23:40
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They seem to blame the device not having been updated since 2015 and the new delta-update scheme that packs up missed updates in a bundle. That seems somewhat plausible and it wouldn't be intuitive to a regular user that jumping the queue to the anniversary update, before trying to do the other updates first would probably have worked. Mostly the specific claim that "Windows 10 requires 32 GB storage for itself, leaving no room for any user data." is the only thing in the article that is blatantly wrong. Given the rest of the context, it must be a mistake of some kind.
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The system requirement is 16/20 GB for 32/64 bit, but even though the stick is locked to 32bit that's literally not enough to do large updates - it may need all of the 32 GB for itself to have a fair chance of getting through updates without handholding. It seems to work better when you haven't accumulated over a year of outstanding updates, though; it's not very smart about how it batches multiple feature updates. Still, point taken - officially (and in more normal use) it doesn't require all 32 for itself. I'll nag him to update it. The stick in question pretended there were no updates available for a straight week of us leaving it on and connected and sporadically clicking the button to check; after a reinstall stripping out some unnecessary windows components and translations it quickly found them. This was as-shipped with nothing installed, which is kind of crap. There's no recovery partition on the thing either; c: really is somewhere near 32GB. Right now it's stuck in a boot loop where it doesn't have enough space to clean up after an upgrade that failed for lack of space. I'll have to see if I can wipe and reinstall it somehow. Computer viking has a new favorite as of 03:07 on Feb 22, 2017 |
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Feb 22, 2017 02:16
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doctorfrog posted:e: Ok, question. I went to elementary school in the 80's, and in the library they had some quiz calculators that were already kinda old looking. They were white, rounded, about the size of a small plate, and plugged into a wall. They had bright green or blue vacuum fluorescent displays and instead of acting as calculators (which is what they looked like), they would bother you with addition/subtraction/multiplication/division problems. One really old one had a slide-back plastic bubble like a space helmet. What the hell were these?
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Feb 22, 2017 04:06
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Fo3 posted:Sounds like a digitor skillmaster Bingo http://www.calcuseum.com/ED/desk_36139.html 'Course in my day they hadn't turned yeller yet
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Feb 22, 2017 04:37
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 I want a space helmet calculator, but not enough to pay two hundred dollars and have it clutter my desk.
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I like the older type of lunar module/lander version of the digitor skillmaster myself. Analogue looking difficulty controls on either side of the helmet/visor and bigger, colour coded smilies. http://www.retrothing.com/2009/03/1974-the-first-microprocessordriven-emoticons.html Fo3 has a new favorite as of 06:48 on Feb 22, 2017 |
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Fo3 posted:I like the older type of lunar module/lander version of the digitor skillmaster myself. Analogue looking difficulty controls on either side of the helmet/visor and bigger, colour coded smilies. ...and that's the other one, metal legs and all. These were old tech by the 1980's and during that year they were replacing the Commodore PETs with Apple IIGS's (which came with a "mouse"), and none of us knew how to use these mod math machines. I'll say though, with that dramatic slide-back helmet action you expected a heck of a lot more than a subtraction quiz, even though the NES had yet to hit the streets.
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Feb 22, 2017 08:23
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Speaking of netbooks I happen to have a Vaio VGN-P530H at home which is pretty much gathering dust on a corner because it's so drat slow running Windows 7. It is cute though. I've been thinking about installing some flavor of Linux or whatever to make it a bit more useful. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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Feb 22, 2017 08:37
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I used Linux Mint and it ran very nicely on my netbook until the hardware poo poo the bed.
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Feb 22, 2017 08:38
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Might be an interesting challenge getting the Android x86 port installed on it, if you're into that sort of thing http://www.android-x86.org/
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Negrostrike posted:Speaking of netbooks I happen to have a Vaio VGN-P530H at home which is pretty much gathering dust on a corner because it's so drat slow running Windows 7. GAH! I still really want a VAIO P series!
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Negrostrike posted:Speaking of netbooks I happen to have a Vaio VGN-P530H at home which is pretty much gathering dust on a corner because it's so drat slow running Windows 7. Isn't that the one that had an advertising campaign showing it sticking out the back pocket of a pair of jeans to show how small it was? With the warning 'Do not put this pocket or risk damage' - which I felt was somewhat lacking as a slogan
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If you didn't know any better, the P series looked pretty dope at the time. IIRC it was competing against the Palm Pilot and iPAQ PDA, so it was stacked with apparent advantages.
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That reminds me, around that same era, I ripped out the front page of a PC Magazine article about the "first laptop under $2000" and stuck it to the wall next to my bedroom door as a daily motivator to save my money. I never got that laptop.
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Carth Dookie posted:I used Linux Mint and it ran very nicely on my netbook until the hardware poo poo the bed. When I started a HVAC business in 2007 I fully specced out a dell vostro 14" laptop (4 GB RAM, second from top core 2 duo CPU - t7700 IIRC) and a couple of year later replaced the HDD with a seagate hybrid drive (some 7200 rpm 250GB with 4GB flash or something like that - forget what they are called). E: momentus was the drive name It came with vista and was slow as poo poo even after the HDD upgrade. Ironically I couldn't upgrade or downgrade windows because windows didn't have the dell sound or other drivers - that laptop was locked onto vista as far as hardware and drivers. Linux had drivers though  I've been running mint on it ever since about 2010. Still runs nicely (faster than my partners lenovo circa 2014 i5 laptop with win7 - now win10, though I put that down to the 5200rpm lovely hdd she has)
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Arms_Akimbo posted:If you didn't know any better, the P series looked pretty dope at the time. It did the job of note taking perfectly, but I'm glad I bought it used at a steep discount 
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Negrostrike posted:Speaking of netbooks I happen to have a Vaio VGN-P530H at home which is pretty much gathering dust on a corner because it's so drat slow running Windows 7. https://www.neverware.com/ I use this on all my ancient laptops. Works really well. Linux Mint also works really well on old hardware if you want a full OS, and also actually works as a Linux distribution meant to be used by actual humans.
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evobatman posted:https://www.neverware.com/ Arch Linux is pretty good on my ancient ThinkPad, and the lack of sound means it's good for focusing on work instead of YouTube
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Gotta be honest, if you'd told me back in the day that in 2017 we would still be talking ruefully about how Linux sound support is hacky at best and most likely doesn't work at all, ... ... No, I guess I wouldn't have been surprised.
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It's just a joke, Arch is super modular and I have chosen not to install any of the trivially available sound software.
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evobatman posted:https://www.neverware.com/ Even Chrome OS is running sluggish on my VGN. I appreciate your help anyway. Is it worth trying any Linux build at all in that? I guess something hardware-related is FUBAR but I'm not feeling like opening that thing. Negostrike has a new favorite as of 01:59 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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In the last ten years I've gone through about four cheap laptops and I'm kinda sick of 'em, and yet I have an Asus Atom laptop that just won't die, manufactured in 2005. I have Lubuntu on it when I want to get somewhat serious, but, fugly as it is, Puppy Linux runs just quick and dandy--relatively speaking--from a tiny USB drive. Grab a flash drive and start putting light Linuxes on it, testing 'em out. They'll run faster from a hard drive, of course, but at least you'll have some idea if they run live. e: When this old laptop dies I'll avoid getting a new laptop as long as possible. I'm fine being tied to a desk and it's great hauling around 6 or more fewer pounds. doctorfrog has a new favorite as of 02:24 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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When I finally got a laptop I got a MacBook Pro from 2013 with an ssd. Unless it is super poo poo just throw one of those in if it supports it. It would lose it retro creed but you get a usable machine not a doorstop.
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What are options like for old tablets? I Bought an ASUS Transformer Prime some years back that I thought I had to have, didn't use it much, and now it's sluggish. Is there some Android distro for old tablets I can load on there?
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Platystemon posted:
It always amazes me how few of those old calculators had functions like square root. I mean you can use the Babylonian method to hammer it down with a couple of iterations...
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A neat option (though I don't know how it compares to other options) these days is getting a chromebook and running Linux via crouton. Which basically involves using the Linux kernel that Chome OS is based off of to run an Debian/Ubuntu/Kali in its own separate file structure. And since Chrome OS is a Linux distro there's no hardware driver nonsense, and there's minimal overhead since it doesn't need to run a second instance. That said, you'll still be connected to the Internet so there's nothing to keep you from being distracted.
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If you just want something to write with, just do a real bare bones Linux, don't install wifi, and use emacs or vim or whatever.
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I can't imagine writing actual text in vim. How horrifying.
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shovelbum posted:If you just want something to write with, just do a real bare bones Linux, don't install wifi, and use emacs or vim or whatever. Richard Stallman spotted.
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Does Linux support Wi-Fi yet?
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Last Chance posted:Does Linux support Wi-Fi yet? You can have wi-fi or sound.
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Casimir Radon posted:Richard Stallman spotted. I'd just like to interject for a moment. Richard Stallman would not refer to the operating system as Linux but rather GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
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How is sound support still an issue, when AC97 has ruled onboard sound for a decade?
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Clitch posted:How is sound support still an issue, when AC97 has ruled onboard sound for a decade? 
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Clitch posted:How is sound support still an issue, when AC97 has ruled onboard sound for a decade? Ac97 doesn't care about turbonerds
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