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LordZoric posted:Great stuff! Glad they're compiling a list of PbtA products. Has anyone tried Mythos World?
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Okay, for some reason ( it might be the art) I just cannot get into the Sprawl. Has anyone else found this? It might also be that there seem to be too many things to roll on, too many additional systems that it feels really hard to have a thing that you are good at, even if you can suck at other stuff. Josef bugman fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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Josef bugman posted:Okay, for some reason ( it might be the art) I just cannot get into the Sprawl. Has anyone else found this? Hm. What do you mean by the latter? It's basically a six stat PbtA game, so everyone should be pretty good at a wide variety of things. The main weird thing The Sprawl does is give everyone stat-swap moves (i.e. "you may roll stat X for ability Y) in the form of Synth and Cyberware. I do feel like Sprawl very specifically appeals to people who are fond of the Neuromancer/Burning Chrome era of cyberpunk that it's targeting. If you don't have affinity for that it might be hard to be tied to its themes.
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The Sprawl's kinda fiddly, but I find it satisfies the itch that growing up on Shadowrun/CP2020 gives you. I remember the beta version being kind of a mess in this regard, but if the new playbooks are any indication they cleaned it up.
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Feb 9, 2017 01:48
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It absolutely has more moving parts than aw or dw but in play it all moves very smoothly
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Feb 9, 2017 01:50
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Guardian did an article on MH: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...ple-around-them
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LordZoric posted:Great stuff! Glad they're compiling a list of PbtA products. Have you tried Lovecraftesque? I've found it pretty satisfying to scratch that itch. There's also Black Stars Rising
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I have been working on a revised layout style for my Malleus playbooks. I want to move to a single page sheet, rather than the old tri-fold design. It isn't easy getting everything in one sheet (and it doesn't step you through character creation as well) but, taking some inspiration from Blades in the Dark and Ghost Lines, I think it is getting there. Looking for any feedback anyone has (about the layout, the text will be edited before I do the final layouts). The mock up example is here.
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I ran a one shot of Into the Odd, and really liked the industrial/occult setting. I want to run something with that atmosphere again, would Blades in the Dark be a good fit? How easy would it be to run through Roll20?
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Feb 20, 2017 23:07
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Anyone ever wonder if you could have a system that replaces the classic "pick x good things on 7-9 and maybe x+1 on 10+ and gm picks if you poo poo the bed" with a 4 fudge dice roll where the player picks for + and the gm picks for - ? It feels like there's a nugget of an idea somewhere if it's not already done, but I can't think how you would factor in skills elegantly. Swap in better dice? Add extra dice with no fails?
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ShineDog posted:Anyone ever wonder if you could have a system that replaces the classic "pick x good things on 7-9 and maybe x+1 on 10+ and gm picks if you poo poo the bed" with a 4 fudge dice roll where the player picks for + and the gm picks for - ? Maybe stick to the pbta Move format, but literally have each move give you + and - options you each pick from? You wouldn't even need stats, just moves.
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Feb 22, 2017 03:31
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ShineDog posted:Anyone ever wonder if you could have a system that replaces the classic "pick x good things on 7-9 and maybe x+1 on 10+ and gm picks if you poo poo the bed" with a 4 fudge dice roll where the player picks for + and the gm picks for - ? I've been messing with ideas for this with several dice pool systems that allow you to increase competency on two vectors - what the minimum number on any given dice counts as a player making a choice and how many dice you roll. None of them really delivered in a way I was happy with, but I'll post my failures when I get home so others can pick over the bones.
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Played my first game of Monster of the Week over the weekend, and everyone (including the GM) was unclear on a few things. First Aid will heal you for 1 per injury. Does that mean if, in a single fight, you get hit four times for 1 harm each, that you can First Aid each of those wounds? Or does all Harm received in a single encounter merge into a single "wound?" Or should it be based on the nature of the wounds (e.g. three were for shot-up leg, and one for a cut to the head. So two injuries meaning two first-aid heals?) Second, what's a good balance for the Use Magic move? Going back to healing, can you just repeatedly heal yourself again and again to erase all Harm? That seems cheap and really not fun. If you're requiring some prep time or materials for the magic, where's the right balance point? That is, I could see the material cost being anywhere between "a handful of dirt i.e. free" and "literally the soul of the devil i.e. once per ever." What's a good middle ground so people don't just sit down and Use Magic again and again to get what they want?
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The injury one is pretty ambiguous. I would play it as all the harm you've taken up until the current harm total count as one, but I don't think you'd be wrong either way. It kinda just depends on how harsh you want the game to be. As far as Magic... I kind of feel like that's not a problem? Healing one Harm is a pretty small effect so I wouldn't have it cost much; except maybe time, so they can't just emergency heal while being chased (or at least not more than once). But looking at the list of glitches: quote:• The effect is weakened. That's hardly free! I don't know MotW's playbooks very well, but I doubt there's anyone who can reliably hit 10+.
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Feb 22, 2017 21:18
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Even with a Weird +3, there's still a decent chances of 7-9's and 6-s so you can't roll heals that well over and over again without some big issue popping up. Also, it doesn't stabilize wounds IIRC.
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Feb 22, 2017 21:27
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And as a GM you should often be applying time pressure.
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Feb 22, 2017 21:35
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thelazyblank posted:Even with a Weird +3, there's still a decent chances of 7-9's and 6-s so you can't roll heals that well over and over again without some big issue popping up. Also, it doesn't stabilize wounds IIRC. Exactly: if you roll a 7-9 the GM can apply "take 1 harm AP" which, while kind of dickish, is a solid fictional way of saying "you are taking these wounds into your own body." Or you can just say, "The magic draws immediate, unwelcome attention" which means you probably aren't doing that again.
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admanb posted:Exactly: if you roll a 7-9 the GM can apply "take 1 harm AP" which, while kind of dickish, is a solid fictional way of saying "you are taking these wounds into your own body." Or you can just say, "The magic draws immediate, unwelcome attention" which means you probably aren't doing that again. From my understanding, the player would have to choose the "take 1 harm" glitch, rather than the GM applying it. However, I get the point that the GM should be constraining time/resources so that it's not possible to sit around and solving everything by using magic again and again, at least not without "unwanted attention" barreling in through the door.
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Duct Tape posted:From my understanding, the player would have to choose the "take 1 harm" glitch, rather than the GM applying it. However, I get the point that the GM should be constraining time/resources so that it's not possible to sit around and solving everything by using magic again and again, at least not without "unwanted attention" barreling in through the door. Ah I did misread that, but yeah all of the glitch effects should hit the "heal one harm" spell pretty well. Like, if the player chose "the effect is weakened" I would just straight up have it do nothing but make them feel better.
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Is there any way to get in on this? I missed the kickstarter, but I've been super-excited about this game ever since you posted a draft months ago.
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ShineDog posted:Anyone ever wonder if you could have a system that replaces the classic "pick x good things on 7-9 and maybe x+1 on 10+ and gm picks if you poo poo the bed" with a 4 fudge dice roll where the player picks for + and the gm picks for - ? This sounds a lot like the current Star Wars system, where your dice give you measured successes with complications and side stuff. This sounds like a good refinement of that, maybe? Wherein, maybe, net +s over -s mean you do it, net -s over +s mean you don't, and then each individual die is also resolved in terms of partial accomplishments and penalties? The one potential flaw I see is that, with FATE dice, adding more dice just widens out the range of probabilities, but you're still most likely to roll somewhere in the middle. To give characters something like stats, maybe a relevant stat would just give them free '+'s? So you might roll 4dF and get two extra '+'s because you have Hard+2. Then a move would be like: Throw Down. When it comes to violence, and you're involved, name what you're trying to accomplish and roll with Hard. If the sum is greater than 0, you throw down and get what you want. If it's less, you throw down but you don't eek it out. Then choose one option for each '+' on your roll (including or precluding any from Hard):
Overall, that seems really busy to me, and it definitely needs some refinement, but it's maybe workable. It may be better 2dF instead of 4dF, or asking you to spend two '+'s for each option. That would mean you could write less options without someone rolling 4 '+'s and grabbing everything off the list.
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If you roll 4+, you deserve everything off the list imo. Its a pbta style 10+
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SBF in Apoc World only lets you pick three of its four things on a 10+, and most of the ones above were cribbed from it. 
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QuantumNinja posted:SBF in Apoc World only lets you pick three of its four things on a 10+, and most of the ones above were cribbed from it. Yeah the move is rough but cool. I was specifically responding to that last sentence there about maybe not letting a player pick 4, which I think should happen and is a point in favor of using fudge dice imo.
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Geting all 4 identical is 1/36 odds which is equiv to a 12+.
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QuantumNinja posted:Is there any way to get in on this? I missed the kickstarter, but I've been super-excited about this game ever since you posted a draft months ago. Thanks for your interest! It'll be out for regular purchase when it's done, or if you just can't wait throw me a PM and I'll see if we can't sort something out.
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I agree it plays out like a simpler version of ff star wars. This is good, necause ff star wars is horribly overcomplicated. My thoughts on using fate dice so far. Use 3df, not 4. 4 just seems to get busy. Some effects might be ++ or -- to trigger? Any triple result should do something interesting. Particularly a blank since there's no mechanical effect going. Current thought is that a triple blank is a plot twist introduced by the player furthest from the current action, assuming the gm thinks it makes sense. I went back and force on how skills or characteristics could interact with a move. Adding to the pool doesn't work. A static + seems to swing away from dice results. First thought was add a dice of a different colour where - doesn't count. I think that would lead to excessive picks pretty fast though. Then I went to rolling extra dice but picking your best 3. That kinda sucks though because you'll never see the negative results after a while and you kinda want to. I've settled on the idea of rerolls as my favourite. Rerolls a dice you don't like for each point of skill you have. From that I think you've just got 4 degrees of mastery in stats. Layman, skilled, expert, master. 0 to 3 rerolls on a given check Frim that i think if you get a triple on your initial roll though you probably can't reroll it. That's a 1 in 21 plot twist, 1 in 21 hilarious failure. Possibly too harsh?
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I'm running the classic D&D module Castle Amber in the Game Room using World of Dungeons if anyone's interested in joining some French Castlevania-style shenanigans.
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Hey, does anybody know of any anime themed pbta games? A running joke in my group is how anime our campaigns end up so we where like 'when we're finished with our current steampunk/weird west themed dungeon world campaign, why don't we just literally run an animee rpg?'
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Manofmanusernames posted:Hey, does anybody know of any anime themed pbta games? I feel like Covok has posted a few drafts of one somewhere in this thread.
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Manofmanusernames posted:Hey, does anybody know of any anime themed pbta games? Anime is too broad a theme. What /genre/ of anime are you looking for? You can always just take an existing game and run it very anime. I've run Anime Masks and Anime Monsterhearts for 'Teen Superheroes' and 'Harem/Romance Anime', respectively. Magical Fury is a PBTA inspired magical girl game.
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Neopie posted:Anime is too broad a theme. What /genre/ of anime are you looking for? You can always just take an existing game and run it very anime. I've run Anime Masks and Anime Monsterhearts for 'Teen Superheroes' and 'Harem/Romance Anime', respectively. So's Magical Burst, also from the same author.
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Manofmanusernames posted:Hey, does anybody know of any anime themed pbta games? I've been working on one for shonen battle manga. It's called Friendship, Effort, Victory. It's currently on hiatus.
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Had an idea for a PbtA game after looking at AMP Year Three's Preview. The Premise posted:A few years ago, people started developing strange powers. Mechanically, I think there'd be a divide in playbooks between Supers and Non-Supers. Supers would have a corruption mechanic where they gain new powers, but will eventually turn into the Lost. Non-Supers would have something like "Spite" or "Bigotry" or something along that sentiment where they'd get more powerful (really, more brutal and cruel) as their resentment towards Supers goes up. Eventually, they could lose their sense of empathy for Supers completely and become an NPC. Supers would have powers (thinking either how Masks did everything except the Protégé or how Masks did the Protégé) and Non-Supers would have gadgets and power armor (Either both or just one or the other). There'd be a mechanic to cover bonds, with them being the only way for Supers and Non-Supers to reduce their respective corruption. Essentially, Supers can call on Bonds to lower their advances by burning that bond: essentially, they hold on to that emotion to help them hold back the transformation and stay human. Non-Supers can call on Bonds to lower their advances by essentially remembering that Super are people too. For Non-Supers, they'd could only burn Bonds they have with Supers. Bonds would be gain from their Intimacy move equivalent and contain some other benefit. The group would have a shared character sheet representing their agency. Working with the GM to make the hierarchy of their local office, who they work for, and the general sentiments (three positive, one negative from a list) of the organization. The GM would have an extra page devoted to the city the group operates in. There be a track with two extremes to represent both Super and Non-Super sentiments to each other with it being a balancing act. There be some rules to handle riots if one side reaches the "kill them all" extreme with the difference between the two tracks determine the rolls. Like, if the Supers love the Non-Supers, so to speak, thus they have a -1 and the Non-Supers absolutely hate the supers, they have a +1. Since the Non-supers are ready to fight for the riot and the Supers don't see it coming, they get a +2 to their roll to riot and hurt the supers. After a riot, the attacking side's sentiment goes back to neutral and the defending side's angier goes up, basically. There'd be a track where, per successfully captured Lost (by encounter, not by narrative), it'd go up and eventually lead to a Cure. At the same time, per session played, a track would go up representing how long the party had until all the Supers began turning, even if they weren't using their powers, just as a result of time. Not just the player characters, but everyone: basically, game over. Need to find the Cure first. Oh, and lastly, it'd be hard to capture a Lost. Lost would deal a decent amount of damage (we'd be using some from of Harm for this) from the get-go so keeping fights up long would be dangerous, but hurting Lost would be made easy so that it'd be easy to overshoot and kill them, if you have the proper gadgets of powers of your own. Basically, it'd be about hitting the range of "knocked out" without going over to "Dead" with the issue of randomness and the fact that stronger weapons and powers deal more flat harm: better to end a fight quickly and keep yourself alive, but makes it easier to overshoot. Balancing act. How does that sound to everyone, if I ever get around to making this more than just an idea?
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Manofmanusernames posted:Hey, does anybody know of any anime themed pbta games? It's not PBTA or combat focused, but Golden Sky Stories is anime as hell, and adorable.
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Covok posted:How does that sound to everyone, if I ever get around to making this more than just an idea?
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Ilor posted:The baked-in end condition (find the cure or the world goes to hell in a hand-basket) is interesting, but I wonder if it's too constraining? I also wonder if the well-defined world leads to a decrease in replayability; one of the strengths of AW, for instance, is that no two apocalypses are the same. We've run a bunch of AW games now and they've all been radically different. I mean, Masks manages to be very replayable and it has a world arguably more defined than the one mentioned here. It just really sets the scenario: super heros and super villains suddenly started happening, they were devise, people with powers suffered from social strife especially if they weren't heroes, one day a hero turned into a monster, humongous right-wing reaction occurred, now people with powers are heavily discriminated against while hate groups are given legitimacy and the government is trying to find the cure and contain the crazy power users. You can do a lot with that premise really, at least in my book. AS for the baked-in end condition, it's worth trying, at least. Not many tabletop roleplaying games try it, but a win-condition is a staple of most games in general. Why not give it a twirl and see if people love it or hate?
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But that's my point - the world is our world, only with (possibly monstrously out-of-control) super-heroes. Contrast this with AW, where the setting can be pretty much whatever you want, and where any one of a million different apocalypses have ended civilization. We've done AW on a space station. Or Dungeon World, where the sky's the limit in terms of interesting fantasy settings. Because your game has a baked-in end condition, if you want people to play it more than once, it needs to have some thought given to replayability, and one of the key facets to replayability is variation in setting or theme. I'm not saying your concept isn't cool or interesting, just that I'm not sure I'd ever play it more than once.
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Manofmanusernames posted:Hey, does anybody know of any anime themed pbta games? Every game is anime themed if you try hard enough. They generally aren't super different plots from western stuff, they're just 7 years younger than our characters and are open with their emotions.
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Ilor posted:But that's my point - the world is our world, only with (possibly monstrously out-of-control) super-heroes. Contrast this with AW, where the setting can be pretty much whatever you want, and where any one of a million different apocalypses have ended civilization. We've done AW on a space station. Or Dungeon World, where the sky's the limit in terms of interesting fantasy settings. Because your game has a baked-in end condition, if you want people to play it more than once, it needs to have some thought given to replayability, and one of the key facets to replayability is variation in setting or theme. I mean, I get that to a degree, but I also feel its an unfair comparison. Apocalpyse World and Dungeon and most PbtA games give a soft setting, yes, but it still tells you the general themes it expects, gives you some aesthetic to go on, and gives you that initial push and conflict to a degree. Apocalpyse World makes it clear its all about resources, suggests things should be gritty, and tells you the world ended. Dungeon World tells you elves, dwarfs, and halflings exist, that things are somewhat feudal and guns don't exist, and that people go into dungeons on adventures. Sure, they don't have pages and pages devoted to a setting, but the author's intent is clear. You don't have to go for it, as many have not, but it doesn't mean it isn't present and doesn't influence your choices. I still feel what I described is a soft setting by tabletop standards, but a hard setting by PbtA standards. (A hard setting by tabletop standards would be Eberron or Forgotten Releams.) I think it's on the same level of Masks in that regards: Masks tells you there has been four generations of heroes, tells you what each generation were like, even tells you the first hero, tells you the conflicts each generation had within and with each other, and tells you your conflict is with all of them, and even tells you the name of the city. Despite that, I've played Masks many different times and Halycon city was different every time. I will agree its harder than most PbtA title's setting, but I don't think it is that constraining. Also, no worries, while I am disagreeing with you currently, I am not trying to say you're wrong. Well, what I mean is, this is productive discussion on the merits of a design decision. I'm not annoyed you have a differing opinion, I welcome that since it allows me to think outside myself on the issue.
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