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Acinonyx posted:The article talks about these dip poo poo managers described as top performers... in a company where the only tangible progress appears to be losing court battles and lighting money on fire, what do you think constitutes excellent management performance? Honestly I wonder what kind of work any of them do. The app itself hasn't added many features or improvements. I'm sure it's a lot of work to just maintain the database and whatnot, but there have to be a ton of people there doing little to no productive work.
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WampaLord posted:Honestly I wonder what kind of work any of them do. The app itself hasn't added many features or improvements. I'm sure it's a lot of work to just maintain the database and whatnot, but there have to be a ton of people there doing little to no productive work. They wait for their stock to vest.
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WampaLord posted:Honestly I wonder what kind of work any of them do. The app itself hasn't added many features or improvements. I'm sure it's a lot of work to just maintain the database and whatnot, but there have to be a ton of people there doing little to no productive work. Her job initially sounded like sorting out the fact that the app was about to fall over catastrophically at any minute Spoiler: it's probably been like that permanently since Uber started.
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Something Something Fine Leather Jackets Something.
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WampaLord posted:Honestly I wonder what kind of work any of them do. The app itself hasn't added many features or improvements. I'm sure it's a lot of work to just maintain the database and whatnot, but there have to be a ton of people there doing little to no productive work. 2. People, even other programmers, often underestimate how much work it takes to create a good product with good UX. There's almost always a ton of things going on under the hood that you've never thought about because it's not directly visible, or because there are features that you don't personally use.
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Feb 22, 2017 16:48
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sarehu posted:But what's good about Uber is the civil disobedience they perform to get the laws protecting incumbents changed. Except they're fighting for waivers, not to get the law changed, because that would benefit their competitors if they did that. WampaLord posted:Honestly I wonder what kind of work any of them do. The app itself hasn't added many features or improvements. I'm sure it's a lot of work to just maintain the database and whatnot, but there have to be a ton of people there doing little to no productive work. They finally added ride sharing last summer, I'm sure that took a lot of development. Especially since you can only activate it twice a day.
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Cicero posted:2. People, even other programmers, often underestimate how much work it takes to create a good product with good UX. There's almost always a ton of things going on under the hood that you've never thought about because it's not directly visible, or because there are features that you don't personally use. Also uber adds features all the time. That doesn't seem like a sane criticism of uber at all. They are pushing out new gimmick features every other week that may or may not disappear in the next update as well as tons of basic functionality still being added. Like the way they didn't even fully integrate picking a destination into the process until like 2016 and treated it as some optional separate estimate thing before that.
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WampaLord posted:Honestly I wonder what kind of work any of them do. The app itself hasn't added many features or improvements. I'm sure it's a lot of work to just maintain the database and whatnot, but there have to be a ton of people there doing little to no productive work. I'd guess (and it is just a guess) there's a bunch of data science and analytics guys trying to optimise the service, i.e. maximise income by knowing how much they can charge people, encouraging drivers to the right locations at the right times, etc. A recruiter pushed a job at me last year that was a very similar thing for a rival taxi firm.
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Let's try it this way. Company: SREs are awesome! We really appreciate your intelligence and hard work! Hooray for SREs! Have a leather jacket!!!! Company: Oh, except for women. We are talking about a gesture that is inherently a symbol. Handing out SRE jackets is not a business necessity for Uber; it is something they do to symbolize the importance of SREs. In that case, making the symbol explicitly exclude women is a choice in symbolism, and an ugly one.
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Doc Hawkins posted:Under whatever measure of fairness you prefer, compare the two options: None are fair. You might say one is fair to all male SRE's and the other is fair to all SRE's. But both are unfair to non-SRE's, and it isn't really fair that a longer term SRE gets the same leather jacket as somebody who's going to leave next week, or one that's a semi-retarded SRE gets the same jacket as a good one. It's unfair that the homeless guys out on the street aren't getting leather jackets. It's unfair that I didn't get a leather jacket.
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sarehu posted:None are fair. You might say one is fair to all male SRE's and the other is fair to all SRE's. But both are unfair to non-SRE's, and it isn't really fair that a longer term SRE gets the same leather jacket as somebody who's going to leave next week, or one that's a semi-retarded SRE gets the same jacket as a good one. It's unfair that the homeless guys out on the street aren't getting leather jackets. It's unfair that I didn't get a leather jacket. wow
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sarehu if that isn't a troll see if you can find a gear in your brain transmission between "way too reductive" and "way too expansive"
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pangstrom posted:sarehu if that isn't a troll see if you can find a gear in your brain transmission between "way too reductive" and "way too expansive" That's kind of his thing.
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My sense of morality isn't warped by crying about whether something's fair. You can make things "fair" to compensate for the lack of jackets by paying the women $X more. Or by paying them the same and looking the other way when they get sick more often. Or you could lower their salary to $5000 per year to be more in line with the global median income. That's fair. It all depends on what set of people you look at.
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sarehu posted:My sense of morality isn't warped by crying about whether something's fair. You can make things "fair" to compensate for the lack of jackets by paying the women $X more. Or by paying them the same and looking the other way when they get sick more often. Or you could lower their salary to $5000 per year to be more in line with the global median income. That's fair. It all depends on what set of people you look at. Scorching.
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sarehu posted:None are fair. You might say one is fair to all male SRE's and the other is fair to all SRE's. But both are unfair to non-SRE's, and it isn't really fair that a longer term SRE gets the same leather jacket as somebody who's going to leave next week, or one that's a semi-retarded SRE gets the same jacket as a good one. It's unfair that the homeless guys out on the street aren't getting leather jackets. It's unfair that I didn't get a leather jacket. Tax the rich so that everyone can afford leather jackets? I'm down.
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Freakazoid_ posted:Tax the rich so that everyone can afford leather jackets? I'm down. One people united under one jacket.
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sarehu posted:My sense of morality isn't warped by crying about whether something's fair. You can make things "fair" to compensate for the lack of jackets by paying the women $X more. Or by paying them the same and looking the other way when they get sick more often. Or you could lower their salary to $5000 per year to be more in line with the global median income. That's fair. It all depends on what set of people you look at. Sir, sir, this is a k-mart little caesar's.
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Women should just be grateful that business puts up with their issues and be thankful they even have a job at all am i rite reddit.com/r/mra obvious sarcasm
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The answer's pretty simple. Give the female employees leather jackets made out of the male employees.
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Discendo Vox posted:The answer's pretty simple. Give the female employees leather jackets made out of the male employees. As the Uber story continues, it turns out Uber CEO Kalanick refused to let the company collect racial and gender data, because " he felt racial or gender diversity weren’t useful metrics for the company and argued that diversity comes in a lot of different forms." There's no evidence he tried to measure any of these other forms. (Read the whole article; it's fascinating and thoroughly shoots down Kalanick's "I am shocked, shocked" defense.) e: Now with new, improved URL!
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It's literally the old chestnut of "if we don't measure it, it can't hurt us"
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sarehu posted:My sense of morality isn't warped by crying about whether something's fair. You can make things "fair" to compensate for the lack of jackets by paying the women $X more. Or by paying them the same and looking the other way when they get sick more often. Or you could lower their salary to $5000 per year to be more in line with the global median income. That's fair. It all depends on what set of people you look at. What does anything that you've said have to do with the engineering director making an obviously self-contradictory claim? Doc Hawkins fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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cowofwar posted:Women should just be grateful that business puts up with their issues and be thankful they even have a job at all am i rite reddit.com/r/mra Thats oil field life pretty much. My mother in law's company provides a monthly stipend for field employees that don't use a company vehicle. She turned hers in last year and took the stipend, which is half of what the men's is and when she questioned it she was told that she was lucky they were giving her anything since she rarely goes into the field. The other guys in the office never go into the field.
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If something isn't fair in every conceivable way, you might as well not try to be fair in any way.
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Sweet baby Cthulhu in the ice-cream drawer. Inside Uber’s Aggressive, Unrestrained Workplace Culture quote:Interviews with more than 30 current and former Uber employees, as well as reviews of internal emails, chat logs and tape-recorded meetings, paint a picture of an often unrestrained workplace culture. Among the most egregious accusations from employees, who either witnessed or were subject to incidents and who asked to remain anonymous because of confidentiality agreements and fear of retaliation: One Uber manager groped female co-workers’ breasts at a company retreat in Las Vegas. A director shouted a homophobic slur at a subordinate during a heated confrontation in a meeting. Another manager threatened to beat an underperforming employee’s head in with a baseball bat. edit edit: This Tweet is from Paul Bradley Carr, who's been at the Guardian, TechCrunch, and is currently at PandoDaily. No idea who his sources are, but he's at least a professional journalist who's covered Uber before. https://twitter.com/paulbradleycarr/status/834567444773564417 edit edit edit: The picture in the Tweet is a screencap from the Blind app, which is basically an anonymous corporate shitchat app. Arsenic Lupin fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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Arsenic Lupin posted:The Silence of the Mans Ummm, don't employers have to collect that data to report to the EEOC? Or I guess they collected it but just wouldn't distribute it? aware of dog fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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aware of dog posted:Ummm, don't employers have to collect that data to report to the EEOC? Quick googling, yes, they would have had to file a form EEO-1 annually once they had more than 100 employees. https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/tools-and-samples/hr-qa/pages/newfilingrequirements.aspx If they really didn't collect the stats, yet another case of lawbre^H^H^H disruption.
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This reminds me, I've still been waiting for my SRE jacket after ordering one 2 years ago now (I am a man and don't work for Uber). Corporate schwag like that is for team building. I have a company SRE backpack I shove my oncall laptop in and it's kind of neat how everyone on the team has the same pack.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:edit edit: This Tweet is from Paul Bradley Carr, who's been at the Guardian, TechCrunch, and is currently at PandoDaily. No idea who his sources are, but he's at least a professional journalist who's covered Uber before. pangstrom fucked around with this message at 12:43 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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I'm kind of amazed at how hosed up everything is at uber. Personally. I've always disliked that company for the way they treat the driver's and the blatant objectivist goals of the company itself, but I wasn't expecting this level of chauvinist bullshit and abuse. This is what would happen if a bunch of rich white male teens started a company and everyone kept telling them they were doing great and threw money at them.
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They only *act* like they were teens. I worked a bit with Garrett before and liked him, but I don't know how involved he still is.
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I also wonder if Uber's board has any plausbile way to oust Travis or if it's more of a Theranos situation. Though the Saudi money *probably* doesn't care too much about misogyny stuff personally they would do it as a practical thing if it came to that and if they could.
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pangstrom posted:I also wonder if Uber's board has any plausbile way to oust Travis or if it's more of a Theranos situation. Though the Saudi money *probably* doesn't care too much about misogyny stuff personally they would do it as a practical thing if it came to that and if they could. Don't you worry, Ariana Huffington and her board seat are on the case.
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It's weird how juvenile and chauvinistic a company run by a libertarian MRA shithead is.
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cowofwar posted:If a men's jacket cost $60 and a women's jacket cost $100 then the cost of jackets is $80. Providing something for only half your workforce is worse than providing nothing at all. lol only 15% of their workforce is women iirc
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You are all missing the obvious solution. One woman buys a jacket, and then rents it out to her co-workers via an app. A jacket-sharing program Jackt rscott posted:lol only 15% of their workforce is women iirc If you believe their numbers
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Boywhiz88 posted:You are all missing the obvious solution. One woman buys a jacket, and then rents it out to her co-workers via an app. A jacket-sharing program Hey, I was gonna use that name for my app for guys to find JO buddies <  >
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