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eames posted:Core voltage on LN2 Jesus.... Wait, wrong Ryzen... But still, daym, they do know that this isn't an Athlon XP right? Also why do they still insist on benchmarking with Windows 7 when 8+ is better for Hyperthreaded/ThreadRipped machines? Also it seems the hardware pre-order is just taking a page from the Kickstarter book at this point. Wait until AMD Kickstarts the Ryzen 2, the Second Coming. Ok, I'll see my self out and back to work now. EdEddnEddy fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Feb 22, 2017 |
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EdEddnEddy posted:Also why do they still insist on benchmarking with Windows 7 when 8+ is better for Hyperthreaded/ThreadRipped machines? ARGH SPYWARE or something like that I'd bet.
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eames posted:say what you want, AMD knows their target audience. quote:the Ryzen 7 1700 also comes equipped with the AMD Wraith Spire cooler, featuring color-configurable LED illumination for customized style Going full corsair here
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Risky Bisquick posted:Going full Thermaltake here Fixed that for you.. Corsair makes some nice stuff with plain White or no lights. 
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Risky Bisquick posted:Going full corsair here My Palit Gamerock 1080 cycles rainbow colours when the machine boots. It's like a little burst of Xmas lights. At default, the Asus z170i glowed Red in a breathing pattern, I thought it was stuck in a boot loop. Noctua are sending out free AM4 compatibility upgrades for many of their coolers. http://noctua.at/en/noctua-offers-upgrade-kits-for-amd-s-ryzen-platform-free-of-charge God bles Noctua. Ordered mine just in case. GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Feb 22, 2017 |
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Klyith posted:They did it for the 480 as well. Kinda a mixed bag. Preorders were useful in that they were the best way to get the thing at launch price, after that the price went up by like $30 for a couple months. Downside was that you got a launch 480. At least with the 480s, it was discovered down the line that 4 GB models could be unlocked to 8 GB. Since I'm intending to get one-or-more full-fat 1800Xs, not getting a chance at winning the silicon lottery is a non-issue to me. Furthermore, since I'm eyeing the 1800X, given how aggressively AMD is said to be binning this first run, there's also a non-zero chance that I might get a chip that, had it clocked just a few MHz lower, or run a little bit hotter, or needed .01 extra volt to be stable, would have been kicked down to 1700X. Again, this is a risk I was willing to accept. But opening up preorders before NDA embargo? I don't own a Reminder Box, but I don't need one to know that something _smells_.
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EdEddnEddy posted:Also why do they still insist on benchmarking with Windows 7 when 8+ is better for Hyperthreaded/ThreadRipped machines? I don't think Windows HT optimizations matter for n-thread benchmarks like this. If you're say running a heavy 4-thread workload on a 4c8t CPU then Windows does need to take Hyperthreading/🆃🅷🆁🅴🅰🅳🆁🅸🅿🅿🅸🅽🅶 into account and try to schedule them onto the physical cores rather than cramming work through the hyperthreads for no reason, but something like Cinebench would just launch 8 threads and be guarenteed to saturate the physical cores regardless of whether the scheduler is smart about HT/🆃🆁 or not.
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:It's platfrom you fuckers Ryzen is the dark souls of cpus
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Kazinsal posted:ARGH SPYWARE or something like that I'd bet. Suicide benches are run on a OS stripped to the bare minimum, depending on the bench. Some of the early 7Ghz Kaby Lake runs were done on XP.
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Arzachel posted:Suicide benches are run on a OS stripped to the bare minimum, depending on the bench. Some of the early 7Ghz Kaby Lake runs were done on XP. "Suicide bench" also accurately describes what I'm looking for when I hear someone doing anything at all with a new computer and Windows XP in 2017, jesus christ
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loving lmao, this thread should have a button that lets you post that image.
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Kazinsal posted:"Suicide bench" also accurately describes what I'm looking for when I hear someone doing anything at all with a new computer and Windows XP in 2017, jesus christ I watched this youtube video of a  german professional hardcore overclocker demoing a 7700K @ 7Ghz for Asus at CES and he sent his friend to buy a PS/2 keyboard/mouse because "Windows XP clocks higher but doesn't support the Z270 USB controllers". Seconds later the video cut to his demo system running Windows 10, presumably because no physical shop carries a PS/2 kb+m in 2017. 
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repiv posted:I'm pretty sure reviews went up a few days before preorders did. That's why they cost 100 bucks extra, AMD just looking out for us is all
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oooh juicyreddit posted:AIDA64, HWiNFO and CPU-Z developers not getting Ryzen samples - Ryzen potentially has issues with L2/L3 cache and memory latency source with links TLDR is that L2 and L3 cache latency seems higher than it should be but the AIDA dev doesn't have a sample so he cant tell if it's a software bug, cpu bug, cpu bottleneck or architectural issue. AMD complained about low scores but wouldn't send him a sample. Trying to bench AIDA64 with Ryzen will pop up a warning for the reviewer to ignore the score because "the benchmarks are not properly optimized for the current CPU." Smells like the sort of thing you'd want an NDA for if this is all true. the whole translated post history by an AIDA64 dev can be read here: http://translate.google.com/transla...n&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=UTF-8 eames fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Feb 22, 2017 |
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I have no comment on that particular juice, but I am just going to predict right now that there will be some Phenom-level errata somewhere.
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Whyyy did all this have to happen literally the day after my skylake order dispatched
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Surprise Giraffe posted:Whyyy did all this have to happen literally the day after my skylake order dispatched If you'd been following this forum maybe you wouldn't have been so quick to place that order.
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Surprise Giraffe posted:Whyyy did all this have to happen literally the day after my skylake order dispatched If you are just playing videogames then you'll have a better chip than Ryzen. Dunno why the gently caress you'd buy Skylake while Kabylake exists though.
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So are AMD chips like intel with some pcie lanes coming direct from the cpu and then some more coming from the pch? I see in the specs for the x370 24 pcie lanes, is that chipset only and then the cpu has 16 gen3 as well? Or just 24 total?
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That TDP difference between the 1700 and 1700x has me scratching my head. Why would they need another 30tdp for such a tiny gain.
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priznat posted:So are AMD chips like intel with some pcie lanes coming direct from the cpu and then some more coming from the pch? The CPU has 24 PCI-E 3.0 lanes, 16 are plain old PCI-E, 4 are hybrids that can act as SATA ports or PCI-E lanes, and 4 are reserved to connect to the chipset. The chipset gives you 8/6/4/0 PCI-E 2.0 lanes depending on the version. http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2763-amd-chipset-comparison-x370-b350-a320
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SwissArmyDruid posted:At least with the 480s, it was discovered down the line that 4 GB models could be unlocked to 8 GB. The surprise reveal is that they will overclock like poo poo. Insiders are already leaking the crap out of this, LTT says they only got an extra 100 MHz out of XFR, plus there's that guy over at Anandtech who claims that 4.0 GHz is about all you will get on air and 4.5 GHz is pretty much entirely out. Yeah, salt and all, but until the NDAs are fully lifted that's the best you'll get. quote:Overclocking this platform is crazy complicated and unrewarding. The clock speeds are low and if you have dreams of a 4.5GHz 24/7 setup, best forget it. In fact most of us will run 3.8 to maybe 4GHz on all cores if we're lucky for 24/7. 1.4V at 4GHz = 90'C load temp with air cooler, so be mindful of that. We need new coolers for the most part because the CPU height is not the same as previous CPUs amongst other changes. quote:Again from source overclocking stable from 3.8~ is unrewarding, the silicon is temperamental to high voltage. A 3.8 all core OC is pushing it Plus the rumor that AMD is binning very heavily. The sensible fusion of all of these data points is that 4.0 GHz is the point of diminishing returns even for a great sample and an extra 100 MHz is all you can get out of it before you hit the wall and power consumption starts exceeding what an air cooler can handle. You might get another couple hundred extra MHz if you are willing to double your TDP and run liquid cooling (not that that's a big deal nowadays, a 280mm AIO is pretty cheap). That's gonna be a shocker to people who are used to overclocking small-die CPUs where an overclock maybe increases your power consumption by like 30% or 50%. But that's pretty much normal for big chips like this. My 5820K goes to 4.13 GHz at stock voltages, which work out to about 115 watts. Taking the same chip to 4.5 GHz increases the power consumption to about 240 watts, so the last 400 MHz roughly doubles your TDP. The wall is really loving steep with big chips like these. The other gotcha here is there's a bunch of people who are going to be buying the low-clocked variants and expecting they can easily take them up to 4.0 GHz if not higher. That's probably not going to happen if a golden sample hits the wall at 4.0 GHz. The high-end chips are clearly the ones to get here - insofar as you would ever want to pay $500 for a chip that barely breaks ahead of an Intel 6-core that you can buy for $330 even in multithreaded performance and gets utterly destroyed in single-threaded performance. ColHannibal posted:That TDP difference between the 1700 and 1700x has me scratching my head. Why would they need another 30tdp for such a tiny gain. Because 3.8 GHz is already pretty close to the point of diminishing returns. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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priznat posted:So are AMD chips like intel with some pcie lanes coming direct from the cpu and then some more coming from the pch? Yes, the chipset has additional pcie lanes. The x370 has 8 pcie lanes from the chipset, making 24 total with the CPU's 16. Pretty tight when you want to have a M.2 x4 slot plus two slots capable of doing SLI video cards, even if they're choked to x8 each.
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Paul MaudDib posted:The high-end chips are clearly the ones to get here - insofar as you would ever want to pay $500 for a chip that barely breaks ahead of an Intel 6-core that you can buy for $330 even in multithreaded performance and gets utterly destroyed in single-threaded performance. Source?
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ColHannibal posted:That TDP difference between the 1700 and 1700x has me scratching my head. Why would they need another 30tdp for such a tiny gain. Zen doesn't appear to have many flaws but one that's apparent is that, in order to reach the clock speeds AMD wants, these things are being volted to within an inch of their lives and pushing more power through them makes a lot more heat for a very tiny gain.
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Klyith posted:Yes, the chipset has additional pcie lanes. The x370 has 8 pcie lanes from the chipset, making 24 total with the CPU's 16. drat that seems really stingy compared to intel pchs allowing up to 24 gen3 additional now with kaby lake. Just add the cost of a pcie switch on there I suppose.
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FuturePastNow posted:Zen doesn't appear to have many flaws but one that's apparent is that, in order to reach the clock speeds AMD wants, these things are being volted to within an inch of their lives and pushing more power through them makes a lot more heat for a very tiny gain. I wonder what the binning process really looks like for the initial production runs, considering this.
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Paul MaudDib posted:The high-end chips are clearly the ones to get here - insofar as you would ever want to pay $500 for a chip that barely breaks ahead of an Intel 6-core that you can buy for $330 even in multithreaded performance and gets utterly destroyed in single-threaded performance. You're referring to the i7-5820k? What evidence do you have that a i7-5820k would "utterly destroy" the 1800X in single-threaded performance? Granted it was only one game but the AMD demo they had today showed the 1700 getting higher FPS than an 6800k at identical clocks. Your take on Zen is way more pessimistic than I have seen from anyone else.
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MaxxBot posted:You're referring to the i7-5820k? What evidence do you have that a i7-5820k would "utterly destroy" the 1800X in single-threaded performance? Granted it was only one game but the AMD demo they had today showed it getting higher FPS than an 6800k at identical clocks. Your take on Zen is way more pessimistic than I have seen from anyone else. Pessimism over AMD is a time-honored tradition to the point that it's become an e-peen thing.  "I'm more pessimistic over the new platfrom!" "No, I am!" "Nuh-uh!" "Uh-huh!"
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MaxxBot posted:You're referring to the i7-5820k? What evidence do you have that a i7-5820k would "utterly destroy" the 1800X in single-threaded performance? Granted it was only one game but the AMD demo they had today showed the 1700 getting higher FPS than an 6800k at identical clocks. Your take on Zen is way more pessimistic than I have seen from anyone else. The 5820k can reach 4.4GHz pretty easy, even on air, so I would not be at all surprised if it can beat an 1800X clocked at 4GHz. For gamers I'm pretty sure the i5-7600k is still going to be the best deal overall, but we really should just wait for benchmarks.
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priznat posted:drat that seems really stingy compared to intel pchs allowing up to 24 gen3 additional now with kaby lake. Just add the cost of a pcie switch on there I suppose. I'm not sure but it could be a little bit apples and oranges, the block diagrams of intel mobos always seem to consume pcie lanes for "built in" stuff. But yeah. No matter how many pcie multiplexers they throw at the problem, they can't fit the triple SLI support, dual nics, and not one but two m.2 slots that the xxxtreme gamer x270 boards have. The high end x370 boards are gonna be a bit pitiful by comparison. Like this thing that ASUS has the audacity to charge $250 for, mostly for the ROG label. Personally I don't care much, 24 is plenty for anything I need. Heck, I want 1 old PCI slot just so I don't have to replace my sound card.
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Klyith posted:I'm not sure but it could be a little bit apples and oranges, the block diagrams of intel mobos always seem to consume pcie lanes for "built in" stuff. Yeah, it's not really a fair comparison since a lot of those lanes do get used up on the intel stuff. And I'm pretty sure I'd be fine with 24 too, single GPU then a m.2 ssd with room for another x4 nvme. I'm kind of interested in one of the 4 or 6 core cpus with the m-ITX x300 as a combo NAS and VM station. 8 SATA ports would be perfect.
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eames posted:oooh juicy  PerrineClostermann posted:Source? it clocks 0.4-0.5ghz higher than the i7-6800k on average outside of obvious review samples and costs $50 less, which is why intel conveniently stopped making more of it
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I ended up pre-ordering the Asus ROG Crosshair VI from Amazon, and coupled with a 1800X. Really excited for my new (partially) build. If the gaming benches are garbage, I'll just end up cancelling and wait for whatever Intel has next. That said, by all accounts--early as they may be, AMD has a hit on their hands. Glad to see Team Red back in the game. Any thoughts on this MSI board? https://www.amazon.com/MSI-X370-XPOWER-GAMING-TITANIUM/dp/B06WLNZ1JH/ I'm usually an Asus or Gigabyte guy, but that board looks pretty drat good. Looks. CDHiggs fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Feb 25, 2017 |
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CDHiggs posted:I ended up pre-ordering the Asus ROG Crosshair VI from Amazon, and coupled with with an 1800X. Really excited for my new (partially) build. If the gaming benches are garbage, I'll just end up cancelling and wait for whatever Intel has next. That said, by all accounts--early as they may be, AMD has a hit on their hands. Glad to see Team Red back in the game. Looks damned expensive is what it looks like
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CDHiggs posted:Looks. when you think about it, case windows have enormous negative value
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