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Woop woop!  Can I get added to the OP for NYC as well?
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Woof Blitzer posted:One of the guys running the meeting tonight has a fuckin tattoo of an Apple Store on his leg... fail wait, he has a retail store tattooed on his leg? like how detailed are we talking, does he have the employees and point of sale in there
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Hulk Krogan posted:Can I get added to the OP for NYC as well? and me for CT, please
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the black husserl posted:wait, he has a retail store tattooed on his leg? like how detailed are we talking, does he have the employees and point of sale in there It's the glass box one in NYC, just the structure of it And Woof Blitzer, you better not have been the "expropriate Stan Kroenke" dude
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Troy Queef posted:It's the glass box one in NYC, just the structure of it Hell no that wasn't me. I knew someone would say some dumbass poo poo if they let everyone talk. Woof Blitzer has issued a correction as of 04:20 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:
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Ruzihm posted:I got capitalism'd but just wanted to quote and say thank you for this~ 
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You guys are all cool and good, but I'm curious--how many of you are not 25-30 y.o.white dudes? What kind of things are your chapters doing to increase diversity? Anybody working with BLM or other groups? I know YDS is fairly active here, what about other ages? The womens march gave us a lot of new signups but we're nowhere near women being half of membership. What can we do to make DSA more representative of our communities?
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Offline visibility and offline recruitment efforts seem like one obvious step there. Speculation I've seen in press is that the reason we're all skewing so white and college educated male is because (perhaps of necessity owing to the size of the DSA) a lot of the word of mouth is being spread via traditionally white male centric online channels. By getting out there and meeting people we can encounter a more diverse group of individuals and tailor responses about the DSA's commitment to intersectionality to their concerns. I don't think that's necessarily a comprehensive solution or anything but the mere act of getting outside of our internet comfort zones and having to meet concerns brought up by all sorts of people could help with logical next steps. As fresh new members whose goal is to grow and galvanize the movement I think we're uniquely poised to tackle that head on.
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Bok Bok posted:You guys are all cool and good, but I'm curious--how many of you are not 25-30 y.o.white dudes? What kind of things are your chapters doing to increase diversity? Anybody working with BLM or other groups? I know YDS is fairly active here, what about other ages? The womens march gave us a lot of new signups but we're nowhere near women being half of membership. What can we do to make DSA more representative of our communities? Get out and canvass or flyer or whatever in nonwhite areas, link up with other local progressive groups that are less white.
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Bok Bok posted:You guys are all cool and good, but I'm curious--how many of you are not 25-30 y.o.white dudes? What kind of things are your chapters doing to increase diversity? Anybody working with BLM or other groups? I know YDS is fairly active here, what about other ages? The womens march gave us a lot of new signups but we're nowhere near women being half of membership. What can we do to make DSA more representative of our communities? I'm none of those things, and attending my first public meeting was really quite discouraging--I'm in the east bay and the demographics in that room compared to the surrounding neighborhoods were dire. Some of the people there were... not helpful, but I called them out on it during the public comment section and got a fairly good response. I'm going to suggest regular attendance at city council meetings and humbly meeting with organizers from various minority communities to figure out how to best help.
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Honestly make an effort to reach out to minority communities, but if all youre pulling is white dudes still I don't think it matters that much, the DSA is still small as an organization and assuming your ideals and actions line up with a socially conscious platform that's more important.
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That being said it's not hard to find local groups like the NAACP, Black/Latino Student Unions on campuses, going to immigrant rights or black lives matter protests and flyering, etc.
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Ace of Baes posted:Honestly make an effort to reach out to minority communities, but if all youre pulling is white dudes still I don't think it matters that much, the DSA is still small as an organization and assuming your ideals and actions line up with a socially conscious platform that's more important. And you just contradicted the previous poster. That is the problem. apokaladle posted:I'm none of those things, and attending my first public meeting was really quite discouraging--I'm in the east bay and the demographics in that room compared to the surrounding neighborhoods were dire. Some of the people there were... not helpful, but I called them out on it during the public comment section and got a fairly good response. I'm going to suggest regular attendance at city council meetings and humbly meeting with organizers from various minority communities to figure out how to best help. I'm sorry it was discouraging. LA socialist-feminist committee just had a really productive beginning to this conversation in a recent meeting, and I'm sure many more to come. I'm not trying to hate on white dudes but the world so far has been run by white dudes and we already know how that works out for the rest of us. Please don't dismiss these few minority voices that are trying to tell you how things appear from their perspective. There are in our chapter a small but really lovely group of Bernie bro types that seem to contribute nothing but are very quick to dismiss other viewpoints. We all need to try to understand others' experiences if our objective is to successfully work together toward our common goals. Stifling those voices we should be listening to and supporting the most will lead DSA to fizzle out like the Occupy movement that once showed so much potential.
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Bok Bok posted:And you just contradicted the previous poster. That is the problem. I don't think I was contradicting anyone, what I was trying to say is as long as you're doing everything you think you can to perform minority outreach, don't beat yourself up about it, sorry if it came across several as something else.
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I'm black so I guess I'm exempt from this question, but my local chapter has a "progressive stack" system of calling on members that prioritizes POC/LGBT voices. It's Seattle so there's not too many POC but they definitely do stress intersectionality
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HorseRenoir posted:I'm black so I guess I'm exempt from this question, but my local chapter has a "progressive stack" system of calling on members that prioritizes POC/LGBT voices. It's Seattle so there's not too many POC but they definitely do stress intersectionality Progressive stack is actually outlined in the DSA organizers handbook and it's good as hell.
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Im pushing hard for recruitment from Black Student Union and the LGBT and Trans clubs on my campus.
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Bok Bok posted:I'm sorry it was discouraging. LA socialist-feminist committee just had a really productive beginning to this conversation in a recent meeting, and I'm sure many more to come. I'm not trying to hate on white dudes but the world so far has been run by white dudes and we already know how that works out for the rest of us. Thanks. There were definitely non-male/non-white people there, but it was still pretty bad. What almost bothered me more was how the speakers talked, the floor was opened for public comment, people were sharing all sorts of thoughts and questions (shoutout to the vanguard from some org I can't remember who all got up to talk about how the DSA needed to become a revolutionary communist movement) and yet nobody was addressing the first thing that hit me when I walked in the room. Bok Bok posted:Please don't dismiss these few minority voices that are trying to tell you how things appear from their perspective. There are in our chapter a small but really lovely group of Bernie bro types that seem to contribute nothing but are very quick to dismiss other viewpoints. We all need to try to understand others' experiences if our objective is to successfully work together toward our common goals. Stifling those voices we should be listening to and supporting the most will lead DSA to fizzle out like the Occupy movement that once showed so much potential. For instance, here's an example. If you want to criticize people who poo poo on the liberals at the women's march for not being woke enough, I think that's great. If you do that by specifically calling out black women who are speaking about the frustration they feel when they don't have backup at BLM events, then defending the honor of white women voting for Trump by saying that most white women didn't even vote, you've got a big loving problem. One of the other few black people in the room got up and left shortly afterwards; I don't know if that's why, but I know that I almost walked then myself. This isn't even just about me, this is about the DSA and all other orgs like it. You want to get liberals to be sympathetic, yeah? What about the black liberal who worries about association with any groups who might draw attention to her in an increasingly authoritarian police state, or one who contemptuously blows it off because "only white people get to ask for things like that"? I see nobody asking how to address those questions, yet I have with my family. The fact that I have to give that caveat statement is also a massive problem. While there is definitely more of this behavior on the Internet, there is sadly a subset of people in real life that will react to me pointing these things out by trying to deconstruct my "identity politics" without truly understanding what I'm saying. I believe strongly enough in my causes that I will put up with a certain amount of this behavior in the process of explaining to people why they are wrong (which is not to say that people who don't do so are any less passionate), but a fuckload of people are on the edge of considering socialism for the first time in their lives and will be driven off.
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apokaladle posted:Thanks. There were definitely non-male/non-white people there, but it was still pretty bad. What almost bothered me more was how the speakers talked, the floor was opened for public comment, people were sharing all sorts of thoughts and questions (shoutout to the vanguard from some org I can't remember who all got up to talk about how the DSA needed to become a revolutionary communist movement) and yet nobody was addressing the first thing that hit me when I walked in the room. Hell yeah, DSA organizers I know personally avoid communist groups and are wary about what socialist groups they associate because so many leftists just put off any kind of normie, which is what the DSA and leftists need. https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/823081796422291456
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:god, last night's bylaws discussion was a shitshow I actually came expecting a MUCH bigger shitshow given the rumblings online beforehand and left pleasantly surprised. We clearly need to get a little better about Parliamentary procedure, but even the most vocal turd stirrers were willing to go along to get along and we actually got something passed, which is a small miracle. Granted, some of this is just going to get kicked down the road a bit as the committee figures out the amendments, so the bylaws are probably going to be a continuing source of drama. But at least we don't have to sit in limbo for three months while it gets hashed out. Maybe it's just because it's a new enough org that people can trust that the hiccups are mistakes and not intentional slights. But I'm actually pretty hopeful for the future.
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apokaladle posted:For instance, here's an example. If you want to criticize people who poo poo on the liberals at the women's march for not being woke enough, I think that's great. If you do that by specifically calling out black women who are speaking about the frustration they feel when they don't have backup at BLM events, then defending the honor of white women voting for Trump by saying that most white women didn't even vote, you've got a big loving problem. One of the other few black people in the room got up and left shortly afterwards; I don't know if that's why, but I know that I almost walked then myself. I'm fairly sure going 'everyone who voted for trump is a huge racist' is just one of those discussions that never goes anywhere good.
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What kind of parliamentary authority are you trying to run under? Robert's? AIPSC? Demeter'?
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One of the two chapter heads here uses an aol.com email address
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When I first looked up the Austin dsa and found their website I figured they were defunct since the page was so janky and like even the Facebook link was broken. e: I ended up signing up for dsa and filled out a volunteer form for their tech stuff since I'm a codeboy Flat Daddy has issued a correction as of 15:05 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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Flat Daddy posted:When I first looked up the Austin dsa and found their website I figured they were defunct since the page was so janky and like even the Facebook link was broken. I'm on the newly-formed website team and so are 14 or so other people. Hopefully the website gets fixed asap
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Is there any decent argument for doing your own web design and hosting your own poo poo instead of just using SquareSpace / Wix / Weebly?
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apokaladle posted:Thanks. There were definitely non-male/non-white people there, but it was still pretty bad. What almost bothered me more was how the speakers talked, the floor was opened for public comment, people were sharing all sorts of thoughts and questions (shoutout to the vanguard from some org I can't remember who all got up to talk about how the DSA needed to become a revolutionary communist movement) and yet nobody was addressing the first thing that hit me when I walked in the room. All your points are rad as hell, but I'd like to hear more about this especially. Like, even in NYC's outer boroughs, there's still a big contingent of 20s-30s white dudes at DSA meetings. We want to fix that. Until we do, we're just straight-up not representing the working class as comprehensively as we should be, since the working class is composed of all peoples (who aren't the capitalist class, obviously). Being on some form of leadership in the city, our strategy to fix that has mostly been to, as an organization, partner/ally with and follow the lead of other, more identity-specific groups (I do NOT mean that in a pejorative sense) with the hope that we'll just naturally establish credibility and trust and have more cross-membership and ultimately those people can become leaders. But just like you said, we're not starting each meeting highlighting the demographic issues within DSA. Do you think we should be doing that? I'm, personally, afraid it would seem superficial and cheap to ask people of color to join without first showing them that we're worth their time, but.....my angle on this isn't from first-hand experience, so I'm not locked into this line of thinking at all. Really, any advice you have for DSA organizers would be appreciated (and already is). Relatedly, but more open to all posters, I was talking to a national organizer at DSA about how we could bring in more native and indigenous voices. On a concrete level, this might involve chapters on reservations. Obviously it wouldn't be limited to that, since native and indigenous voices are limited to reservations, though. Does anyone have any insight/thoughts/advice on how to get an initiative like this started? I follow some people from Native Twitter, but I wouldn't know who to contact to even start.
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Internet Explorer posted:Is there any decent argument for doing your own web design and hosting your own poo poo instead of just using SquareSpace / Wix / Weebly? Because then everything would depend on the whims of a cooperation.
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logikv9 posted:
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unbutthurtable posted:All your points are rad as hell, but I'd like to hear more about this especially. Oh no, that's actually the line of thought I want to encourage myself (following the lead of other orgs, supporting them, building up goodwill and trust). I meant that until we're at that point, it serves us well to frankly discuss the fact. A couple people came up to me afterwards and said they'd also noticed the skewed demographics but didn't know how to say anything, so people knew there was a problem there but weren't addressing it. I'll see if I can find some like minded people to really push this, because we don't have time to waste.
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unbutthurtable posted:I'm, personally, afraid it would seem superficial and cheap to ask people of color to join without first showing them that we're worth their time I'm new to this political organizing stuff but from experience in other areas, I think this is a good thing to be wary of. It's kind of an odd comparison to make when talking about a socialist organization, but it's kind of like business networking, in a way. Nobody likes the guys who show up to networking events to sell every person they meet on how they can add value. People who are good at networking do a lot more listening and try to build relationships based on earning trust and being of service, which translates to business or referrals down the line. I think this is a similar thing. Showing up out of the blue to BLM meetings or anti-deportation protests or whatever trying to fill a non-white dude quota won't work. Going to those groups and asking what they need, how we can help, etc and then showing up consistently and showing we really are committed to supporting them for the long haul is probably the only way to make progress on that front. That's what will separate us from the Democrats we love to criticize for engaging in empty pandering to minority groups. If you focus on doing good work in a respectful way then I think the recruitment will come as a byproduct. If you make the recruitment the focus then you just come off looking like a salesman.
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Doesn't everyone see that full communism is the only way?   Edit: I've been trying to get people together around my college but I'm met with amusement or disbelief by all the 'progressives' in the Democrats club and there are only like 2 people I'd trust total.
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