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Kopijeger posted:This cartoonist has some funny ideas about economics. He seems to believe that only "illegals" are capable of harvesting produce. What you'd expect to happen in the real world is an increase in prices caused by having to pay more for legal labour or investing capital in automated harvesting methods. The problem is that there's no evidence to support this. This was tested to the extreme in 1964 (the end of the bracero program). Hundreds of thousands of immigrant farm workers were rounded up and deported. Economists are able to look back and see the effects of this by looking at the differences between states with lots of deportations and states with few deportations. As far as anyone can tell, the deportations didn't affect domestic labor markets at all. Additional citizens weren't hired to fill the vacant positions, agricultural wages didn't increase, and working conditions stayed terrible. Most of the immigrants were replaced by mechanization; where mechanization wasn't possible, farmers switched to other crops. So all available evidence suggests that farmers will not pay more for legal labor. There will be an increase in farmers adopting mechanization, but only for crops where the technology already exists. For any crop where mechanization isn't feasible or cost-effective, we'll see a large and long-lasting drop in production. Increased prices will be driven by scarcity, not by rising labor costs. Heck, have some cites: A report from the 1967 Department of Agriculture. This is where they started to realize they'd messed up. Immigration Restrictions as Active Labor Market Policy. Long-form 2017 economic analysis of the bracero fallout from the IZA. Edit: top of the page, have a cartoon. 
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Admittedly nobody has died and made me official arbiter of the political cartoons thread but stillKing Possum III posted:2
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That reminds me. Does anyone have that comic where it's just a lovely stock photo of a cartoon chef stirring a giant pot, and the chef is labeled LIBERALS and the pot is labeled poo poo? I need it. I need it every day.
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For some reason I want to know how that lovely Life Choices Dog comic ends. Does anyone know what it's called or have the link?
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Plan Z posted:I just got over reading a book entirely about how American intelligence predicted almost to the month the collapse of the Soviet Union years ahead of time because it was something we were working towards for forty years so that's something he pulled out of his rear end.  The evolution of calculating tech in the West over the past 60 years. "The Soviet Union will only last for a few more..."
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Jonas Albrecht posted:For some reason I want to know how that lovely Life Choices Dog comic ends. Does anyone know what it's called or have the link? It's being published by Drawn and Quarterly, but the rest of it doesn't come out until 2018. Something to look forward to, at least.
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 This is peak Kirschen art. Seriously ask someone unaware of Dry Bones to place an age on the artist. Answer: 79 in 2 weeks  quote:What a quick reversal on the opinion of leaks.
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Pictured right behind the Tank: Enough nuclear weapons to destroy the entire earth, and a fleet of drones that can take out any enemy in the world while being controlled in Arizona.
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There's a difference between a literal foreign power hacking things and friendly intelligence agency leaks, I feel like. On the other hand, Obama was just as eager to punish whistle blowers like Snowden as Bush. Except the context is "red panels is a hypocritical facist" and I don't know of any democrat lawmakers trying to reverse their position on immunity for whistle blowers.
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I think attacking the other party for "hypocrisy" or "inconsistency" (without considering context) is folly. If the opposition party tends to be, well, in opposition than they will likely be just as inconsistent, in reverse.
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Sandpuppy posted:
Missed a perfect opportunity to have it rated Y.
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Twelve by Pies posted:I know what the intended message of this cartoon is ("These men are bad people who will stop committing crimes since residents who can now defend themselves") but honestly I can't help but see them as innocent travelers scared of being shot by some moron. It's kind of hilarious that one of the big signifiers that they're bad hombres is that they've got guns.
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Twelve by Pies posted:I know what the intended message of this cartoon is ("These men are bad people who will stop committing crimes since residents who can now defend themselves") but honestly I can't help but see them as innocent travelers scared of being shot by some moron. Looks like they rode their horses all the way from Mexico to New Hampshire which is pretty impressive.
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OptimusShr posted:As someone from Massachusetts I have to wonder what the gently caress these two are talking about. We have had enough snow to get our snowblowers out, several times. we still haven't got much snow this winter and we're probably going to break the all time high for this day historically.
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A tank's cannon is supposed to be loaded by the people who are inside it.
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I read this one like a Kelly; a hopeful vision of a world where Trump declares fresh produce illegal, finally liberating the red-blooded American male from years of being forced to eat his vegetables by the nagging wife.
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Oh, so when it's a vat of face-melting acid, you're all like, waaah, waaaaah, I'm a baby and I hate leaks, but as soon as you need to smash open a reservoir to put out a fire you suddenly love them??? Wow... Hypocrite much??????? Like the implied position here is "leaks are ALWAYS bad" and that seems sorta fuckin brazen considering how much the DNC leaks did to galvanise GOP support. Yeah yeah I know forget it hatfet it's redpanels
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BarbarianElephant posted:Looks like they rode their horses all the way from Mexico to New Hampshire which is pretty impressive. Not to mention: why are there Western movie stereotypes in New Hampshire in the first place? It would probably be more historically correct with members of the Wabanaki Confederacy instead, but that has its own problems.
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Cat Mattress posted:A tank's cannon is supposed to be loaded by the people who are inside it. then what are soldiers running along side the tank with ramrods for
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Groovelord Neato posted:we still haven't got much snow this winter and we're probably going to break the all time high for this day historically. It's 10 degrees celcius right now in my part of Ontario. About two weeks ago it was almost negative 20. We used to still have snow in late March.
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sleeptalker posted:I read this one like a Kelly; a hopeful vision of a world where Trump declares fresh produce illegal, finally liberating the red-blooded American male from years of being forced to eat his vegetables by the nagging wife. "Make America Steak Again."
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Ruben Bolling wins Herblock, refuses to share Jew Gold with his loyal subscribers. https://twitter.com/RubenBolling/status/834786912632238080
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"Those hypocritical liberals/democrats! They've totally reversed position on these two leaks, which are completely equivalent! Not like Republicans, whose position on leaks, I can only assume, has remained completely unchanged. Definitely just Democrats."
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nerd plus rage posted:Ruben Bolling wins Herblock, refuses to share Jew Gold with his loyal subscribers. https://twitter.com/RubenBolling/status/834786912632238080 I'm glad to see him and Two Bulls getting the recognition they deserve; they're easily my favorite two cartoonists.
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Sandpuppy posted:
Been a while since we had a proper "NOT MY BUTT!" cartoon.
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Apple Pie Hubbub posted:
Dammit Republicans, Mike Ramirez wants his poor-screwing healthcare plan and he wants it NOW
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Trump can wear whatever crown he wants but I'll always be the true king of asses.
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Kopijeger posted:Not to mention: why are there Western movie stereotypes in New Hampshire in the first place? It would probably be more historically correct with members of the Wabanaki Confederacy instead, but that has its own problems. What if, and stay with me here, most political cartoonists are lazy tired fucks????
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Farecoal posted:What if, and stay with me here, most political cartoonists are lazy tired fucks???? Plus, bear in mind that dipshits like Lester live in a fantasy where the Clearly Labeled Bad Guys never actually shoot back at you. They wave their guns around and make vague threatening gestures until the Good Guy shows up and pulls out his own gun - at which point the bad guys run away or politely stand still while Lester lines up his shot and blasts them away.
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the_steve posted:Plus, bear in mind that dipshits like Lester live in a fantasy where the Clearly Labeled Bad Guys never actually shoot back at you. thatonelesterwherethecrowdofgoodguyssurroundandshootthebadguyandmagicallydonthiteachother.jpg
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Kopijeger posted:What were the salary and working conditions like in the NC case? You say that citizens don't "want" to do this kind of work, but that should only be the case if they have more attractive options. They should be able to get enough people to work on farms if what they offer in return is seen as worthwhile by potential hires. Sure, a's long as you don't mind paying 4 dollars for a cucumber or a 2 dollars for a tomato. Americans sure don't seem to understand that the reason they have cheap goods is because of the exploitation of foreign workers.
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Stevoblunt posted:Sure, a's long as you don't mind paying 4 dollars for a cucumber or a 2 dollars for a tomato. Americans sure don't seem to understand that the reason they have cheap goods is because of the exploitation of foreign workers. They understand, they just don't care.
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Kopijeger posted:What were the salary and working conditions like in the NC case? You say that citizens don't "want" to do this kind of work, but that should only be the case if they have more attractive options. They should be able to get enough people to work on farms if what they offer in return is seen as worthwhile by potential hires.
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Johnny Walker posted:I think you are underestimating how truly lovely it would be to pick vegetables all day for a living. I can imagine few jobs worse, and I literally doubt I would even consider doing it for anything close to what would be a reasonable wage. And believe it or not I am not a lazy person who is afraid of working manual labor. I got hired to pick blueberries at a farm as a teen, I raked for like 2 hours then stepped on a bee then quit.
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