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The Management posted:lmao that's not golden handcuffs.
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JawnV6 posted:yeah i played startup for 3 years and being a fungible cog is such a luxury be an employee at a large shop or an owner at a startup, imo. employee at a startup is just aggravating.
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Feb 22, 2017 23:32
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ADINSX posted:maps team, but even within those groups there are plenty of really boring projects. forget just boring, i know some people whose job is making that 'upload a photo to this place you've just been' notification
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The Management posted:I don't believe this at all. this is something a startup might do
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Feb 23, 2017 00:34
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Sapozhnik posted:after being responsible for everything and designing everything and having a very stressful time of it in general being a small cog in a large machine is starting to sound real good lately being a small cog on an everything/nothing project in a large org can suck pretty hard too; imagine being responsible for everything and having layer upon layer of bureaucracy creeping scope on you constantly
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this is why i really like consulting because the moment things start to become routine is when you're shown the door so the work is always interesting and fresh. also part of the job is to be a dick to people (professionally, of course) so while you still have to put up with bullshit you're allowed to call people idiots to their face for hoisting it on you
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Feb 23, 2017 01:46
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lancemantis posted:being a small cog on an everything/nothing project in a large org can suck pretty hard too; imagine being responsible for everything and having layer upon layer of bureaucracy creeping scope on you constantly this is a pretty picture of me you painted
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Feb 23, 2017 02:02
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The Management posted:I don't believe this at all. I have heard from reliable sources that Microsoft will do this to Amazon candidates
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Feb 23, 2017 04:15
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Axel Rhodes Scholar posted:forget just boring, i know some people whose job is making that 'upload a photo to this place you've just been' notification I think she worked on something similar for awhile, we might know some of the same people. It didn't sound fun 
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Feb 23, 2017 04:41
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lancemantis posted:being a small cog on an everything/nothing project in a large org can suck pretty hard too; imagine being responsible for everything and having layer upon layer of bureaucracy creeping scope on you constantly hmm i can imagine this really well
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lancemantis posted:being a small cog on an everything/nothing project in a large org can suck pretty hard too; imagine being responsible for everything and having layer upon layer of bureaucracy creeping scope on you constantly or you can embrace the scope creep and go over to the sales or product management side
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hobbesmaster posted:or you can embrace the scope creep and go over to the sales or product management side im on the product management side and i still get unwanted scope creeped on me from above, which i then pass on down
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Feb 23, 2017 05:14
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Bloody posted:I have heard from reliable sources that Microsoft will do this to Amazon candidates but then you'd have to live on the east side or commute.
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ADINSX posted:This is what keeps me from even bothering to apply, despite my fiance working there and some of our friends. I'd only wanna work on very specific projects on their cloud or maps team, but even within those groups there are plenty of really boring projects. they've long suffered from having way more people than work to be done, so there's tons of teams whose sole purpose is to keep rewriting the same miniscule internal service over and over for eternity, along with the requisite horse trading to retain said projects so that the teams still have some semblance of a reason to exist i made sure to leave before the stagnation set in too much
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The Management posted:lmao that's not golden handcuffs. even for a router wrangler?
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Munkeymon posted:even for a router wrangler? golden handcuffs isn't "decent flow now" it's "gently caress you money windfall in 3 years, 9 months, and 2 weeks and not an hour longer"
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congrats on making it big! but yeah without a niche skill/management experience/consulting/etc, i don't think you're gonna match that elsewhere. daft as it may sound, have you tried asking your boss for more development work? is there a chunk of your job you could automate? coffeetable fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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im jealous that everybody is having google interviews except me. i half-assedly applied a couple of times (resume only, no letter) and i havent heard back. im probably worse at my job than all of you guys but they cant possibly tell from my resume which is 4 years at a fortune 500 doing cool stuff + masters in ee from a euro university which is clearly good enough seeing how many classmates got jobs there
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poty posted:im jealous that everybody is having google interviews except me. i half-assedly applied a couple of times (resume only, no letter) and i havent heard back. im probably worse at my job than all of you guys but they cant possibly tell from my resume which is 4 years at a fortune 500 doing cool stuff + masters in ee from a euro university which is clearly good enough seeing how many classmates got jobs there maybe there's something up with your resume? make it spicier? I think it's normal to get a call/email within a few weeks after submitting
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JawnV6 posted:golden handcuffs isn't "decent flow now" it's "gently caress you money windfall in 3 years, 9 months, and 2 weeks and not an hour longer" I'm not sure I would call it gently caress you money but definitely something you can't walk away from. for a while there when I was working for a rocket ride stock my bonus RSUs were worth more than my base pay by the time they vested. it's hard to look at a guaranteed multiple of your base that all you have to do is sit around and collect and think about leaving.
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poty posted:im jealous that everybody is having google interviews except me. i half-assedly applied a couple of times (resume only, no letter) and i havent heard back. im probably worse at my job than all of you guys but they cant possibly tell from my resume which is 4 years at a fortune 500 doing cool stuff + masters in ee from a euro university which is clearly good enough seeing how many classmates got jobs there did your classmates get jobs following graduation? it seems like they don't tend to pick up on resumes of working people unless there's an institution or workplace they find especially interesting on them if you have classmates your still in contact with there, get a referral and they'll get to your right away Progressive JPEG posted:they've long suffered from having way more people than work to be done, so there's tons of teams whose sole purpose is to keep rewriting the same miniscule internal service over and over for eternity, along with the requisite horse trading to retain said projects so that the teams still have some semblance of a reason to exist I've jokingly thought to myself sometimes that the point of googles hiring strategy is just to keep competitive talent off the market
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lancemantis posted:
I have friends who've worked at Microsoft for ~10 years (so they're the new guys). they all say the difference between who google was taking in 2008 vs now is like "poo poo, they took that guy" to "poo poo, they took that guy?" to "poo poo, thank god they took that guy". oracle has been surprisingly effective at skimming a lot of good people by paying 2-3x the market, giving title bumps, and promising the ability to work on a cloud from the ground up. the ones I know personally are now just stuck in it for the money .
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FamDav posted:the ability to work on a cloud from the ground up
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well the big enterprise bucks are in "clouds" so everyone needs their own proprietary one especially if you're oracle
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Gazpacho posted:what getting to build an aws from the start.
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lmao at the garbage-tier candidates I have been interviewing as my replacement. everyone is putting VMware experience to mean "I've logged into vcenter once," which you can quickly figure out in about two questions. the favorite question I've been asking people is "you've had a long IT career, sometimes there are unintended consequences from a change that breaks something. Can you tell me about a time you broke something by accident, what was the impact, and how was it fixed?" the answers have been very telling. let's me know if they've even been in a position to break something, what their change control looked like, skill level at recovery, size of the environment, working with a team to fix something they broke and owning up to it, etc. E: because gently caress it I break stuff all the time anyways, might as know how to handle it devmd01 fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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FamDav posted:I have friends who've worked at Microsoft for ~10 years (so they're the new guys). they all say the difference between who google was taking in 2008 vs now is like "poo poo, they took that guy" to "poo poo, they took that guy?" to "poo poo, thank god they took that guy". and i have to go through my moron classmates to get a freaking interview??? smdh
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devmd01 posted:lmao at the garbage-tier candidates I have been interviewing as my replacement. everyone is putting VMware experience to mean "I've logged into vcenter once," which you can quickly figure out in about two questions. tbh this question is hard to answer because working is an unending cycle of breaking something by accident and then fixing it i would be completely incapable of picking a single example of it for talking about in an interview
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Bloody posted:tbh this question is hard to answer because working is an unending cycle of breaking something by accident and then fixing it i would be completely incapable of picking a single example of it for talking about in an interview I usually just make something up by picking something that did happen but embellishing the gently caress out of it because I know what they're looking for me to say
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The Management posted:I'm not sure I would call it gently caress you money but definitely something you can't walk away from. for a while there when I was working for a rocket ride stock my bonus RSUs were worth more than my base pay by the time they vested. it's hard to look at a guaranteed multiple of your base that all you have to do is sit around and collect and think about leaving. hm, ive mostly heard it in the context of acquisitions where it's definitely a huge lump sum waiting at the end but yeah recruiters have complained about amazon folks currently pulling down $300k+ and expecting that to be matched by salary right out the gate at a new place
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JawnV6 posted:amazon folks currently pulling down $300k+ lol the absurdity of tech
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Tatsujin posted:I usually just make something up by picking something that did happen but embellishing the gently caress out of it because I know what they're looking for me to say
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working in amazon dev is not worth any amount
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Gazpacho posted:working is not worth any amount
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someone please slap a pair of these golden 'cuffs on my frail developer wrists
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golden cuffs own lol if you require passion or fulfillment out of your 9-5
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golden parachutes are better b/c they mean you dont have a job any more
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 NYSE have 👍 me up to update the  on the floor, I think it's only fair to get that guy on the screens somehow, probably a loading logo. Job hunting for development roles after this is going to suck. It's only hiring for management roles that actually like this work, every single other interviewer has expressed disdain otherwise.
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MrMoo posted:
please let us know if makes it to the trading flooralso don't forget his buddy 
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