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Xealot posted:I don't know how the book characterizes it, but I way prefer this version. hosed up Cronenberg zombie monsters would be visually cool, but there's something fascinating about the idea that the Protomolecule is beyond understanding. It's not one-sidedly a destruction agent, but a very alien life cycle. I highly recommend the book "Blindsight" if you want to read a fascinating exploration of what first contact with a truly alien life form might be like. One of the core concepts it explores is the relationship between intelligence and consciousness and if one requires the other. It's probably one of the smartest sci-fi books I've read, but it's very heavy on scientific jargon so if you don't have much of a science background it's not the easiest read (it's written by a former marine biologist and has an appendix with a ton of primary source literature that it cites.) It's also released under the creative commons license so you can read it on the author's website.
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Blindsight is excellent but be warned that it has the potential to gently caress you up. I found it more frightening any horror book I've ever read. I thought this was an amazing episode, and I can really see why they didn't try to push all of book 1 into season one. For budgetary reasons if anything -- can you imagine trying to do Eros justice with the remnants of S1's money? It being beautiful and incomprehensible is perfect. It's alien enough as is, without needing stuff like human ribcages skittering around along the walls. One sorta minor annoyance. The Roci seems to have regular cruising speed then full on crash couch burn with not much in between. There were a few bits before they strapped in where Eros sped up and it'd have been neat to show them trying to move around under heavier and heavier thrust but I guess how to film that might be an even harder question than how to film zero-G. Pull everyone's hair down with weights? Pretty unimportant book stuff about stuff that's already happened, spoiling all the same. Didn't they mention a martian and earth ship turning back around towards Eros last episode? I was expecting them to keep up and have the same interactions with the Roci as in the book but I guess that would have overburdened an already stuffed episode.
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Did they drop the whole legitimize the OPA thing? Holden or Johnson haven't once talked about negotiations or "getting a seat at the table"
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Phi230 posted:Did they drop the whole legitimize the OPA thing? I would expect that next episode, especially since Fred could still keep the interplanetary nukes with less obvious thieving intent than in the books.
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ATP_Power posted:I highly recommend the book "Blindsight" if you want to read a fascinating exploration of what first contact with a truly alien life form might be like. One of the core concepts it explores is the relationship between intelligence and consciousness and if one requires the other. I'll have to check out Blindsight, but it sounds a little like Solaris in premise.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:Uh, that's not what sex looks like. Eros slamming into Venus sure sounds like it should though.
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Xealot posted:I'll have to check out Blindsight, but it sounds a little like Solaris in premise. It's not
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Baronjutter posted:I want everyone to settle down and work together and overthrow capitalism and live a life of peace and luxury harvesting the limitless resources of space. We have nowhere to go but up, space comrade
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Pharmaskittle posted:I'm a big fan of the books and don't personally care about ~spoilers~ for myself, but really please quit posting major spoilers here, even with tags. I'm not a regular tviv poster so I don't know the norms, but I imagine they handled it better than this in something like the game of thrones thread. The show is way, way behind the books and you can really gently caress up some people's experience. There's an ok thread in book barn for you to talk about poo poo from later books. It's dumb as hell, everyone who asks "Hey does this happen?" could Google it if they actually wanted to know, and it doesn't serve any purpose but getting your tiny dick hard at the fact that you know something about a fictional setting that someone else doesn't. Platystemon posted:In the future, yeah, take it to the book thread. No. This has been discussed before. The book thread is mostly dead, and has only been talking about the latest book that most fans read when it came out 3 months ago and have since mostly stopped going to the thread. If you do begin talking about the show there, it won't take long for someone to start complaining that they haven't seen the show yet and that they don't want any show spoilers there either. And Game of Thrones is one of the most popular book series and television shows in the world. The Expanse is nowhere near that level of popularity, it doesn't warrant two separate threads for the same show. People have been very good about using appropriate use of spoiler tags. If you don't want something spoiled, don't hover over the spoiler. If someone doesn't use spoiler tags on genuine spoilers, then report them. And no, talking about what one of the actors said during an interview regarding something that has already happened in the show doesn't constitute genuine spoilers.
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Baronjutter posted:I want everyone to settle down and work together and overthrow capitalism and live a life of peace and luxury harvesting the limitless resources of space. For like 90% of humanity living comfortable lives on Basic, Capitalism is a thing of the past. It may not be socially desirable, and there may be limitations, but if you live on Earth limitless space resources mean you never have to worry about food, housing, or healthcare ever again. It's a socialist utopia! So, the masses might overdo it on the drugs and ennui a bit, but they're still free of the evils of capitalism! Of course the extraction of space resources is still managed in a fairly capitalist way, and as it turns out humans are cheaper than robots for a lot of drudgery out there, but that's just a tiny minority out there. Hardly a social evil on the level of exploitation today, relatively speaking. But for real, one of my favorite parts of the Expanse is that there really has been so much progress, it's not some dismal dystopian future where everything went wrong, but despite all the advances everything still seems really fundamentally hosed. If you look at the world a few hundred years ago and compare it to today it seems like a fairly plausible historical arc. Nihonniboku posted:No. There's way less discussion there, which is fine, but it's mainly been about stuff that's happening in the TV show now, like Eros, and upcoming stuff like Ganymede, and some general setting questions. Not much discussion about the latest book, honestly. And no one's going to complain about discussing differences between the show and books there. That's absurd. I don't know what ~the rules~ are or should be, but basic consideration would suggest book readers should discuss book/show differences in the book thread, unless they're deliberately contextualizing things for show watchers.
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I haven't read any of the books and this thread hasn't spoiled the show for me one bit. So thank you all for your discretion. I really like the protomolecule as an "antagonist", especially after the latest episode. It's more like a scared child now that it seems to be channeling Julie's emotions. It's a nice change of pace compared to other space shows/movies where the alien lifeform is just a group of assholes obsessed with conquest or vengeance. I thought the structures it was creating inside Eros were neat too, like giant neurons and Miller was walking in a huge brain. Mental Hospitality fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Feb 24, 2017 |
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Eiba posted:There's way less discussion there That's all reason I need. You can't fault people for wanting to participate in an active conversation, instead of speaking to the void. Eiba posted:I don't know what ~the rules~ are or should be, but basic consideration would suggest book readers should discuss book/show differences in the book thread, unless they're deliberately contextualizing things for show watchers. People are already being considerate by using spoiler tags. That's why they exist. Mental Hospitality posted:I haven't read any of the books and this thread hasn't spoiled the show for me one bit. So thank you all for your discretion. Thank you. See? The spoiler tags work!
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Platystemon posted:https://giant.gfycat.com/FelineExcellentHorseshoebat.mp4 Ha sperm egg metaphor
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Nihonniboku posted:Thank you. See? The spoiler tags work! Yeah, no. Just from seeing that there are spoiler tags I've been able to deduce that the show isn't done with Miller. That's a guess, one based entirely on how people are using spoiler tags in this thread and not from watching the show, but I'm entirely certain that I'm right. I think we should go with a spoiler free zone here. No tags, no nothing. Just what's aired on the show. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Feb 24, 2017 |
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Nihonniboku posted:People are already being considerate by using spoiler tags. That's why they exist. I'm not actually proposing we ban booktalk or anything, though I do think we'd probably be better off if more people used the book thread, I was just pointing out that you were wrong in basic ways about the book thread. People can do what they want and there's a lot of ways to be considerate, but discouraging people from using the book thread is dumb.
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Eiba posted:People have been pretty good about tagging stuff, and that's great. Not going to happen so give it up. The more you push the more assholes will push back to spoil like the GOT thread.
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Baronjutter posted:I want everyone to settle down and work together and overthrow capitalism and live a life of peace and luxury harvesting the limitless resources of space. But who wants to watch a show about a society like that
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I saw Feynman diagrams on a cable sci-fi show, this is officially the best goddamn show currently on TV. RIP Miller, though it wouldn't surprise me to see him again as some kind of protomolecule recreation. The show seemed to be telegraphing the possibility, what with the extended shot of the protomolecule hand being formed, Julie Mao, and their last conversation. Also noticed this cool bit on Wikipedia (very light book spoilers regarding a non-plot cameo): "In addition, Andy Weir's novel The Martian takes place in the same continuity as The Expanse.[8] This link is made semi-canon with the mention of a ship named the Mark Watney, based "out of Mars," in Babylon's Ashes." Big Mean Jerk fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Feb 24, 2017 |
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Just dropping in to say S2 is killing it. Really, really, enjoying this show.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Also noticed this cool bit on Wikipedia (very light book spoilers regarding a non-plot cameo): "In addition, Andy Weir's novel The Martian takes place in the same continuity as The Expanse.[8] This link is made semi-canon with the mention of a ship named the Mark Watney, based "out of Mars," in Babylon's Ashes." The authors confirmed this on Twitter.
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Platystemon posted:The authors confirmed this on Twitter. That's cool as hell.
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Really it could just be literally a reference to the book character. Don Quixote canonically isn't real just because they named their ship Rocinante. Although maybe the series will end with Holden flying into a black hole in Cygnus....
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That was probably one of the best episodes of TV ever. If we don't die....that'll be interesting
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Also noticed this cool bit on Wikipedia (very light book spoilers regarding a non-plot cameo): "In addition, Andy Weir's novel The Martian takes place in the same continuity as The Expanse.[8] This link is made semi-canon with the mention of a ship named the Mark Watney, based "out of Mars," in Babylon's Ashes." Haha for real? That's amazing
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darnon posted:Really it could just be literally a reference to the book character. Don Quixote canonically isn't real just because they named their ship Rocinante. I found the relevant tweet It's not a set-in-stone thing, but still pretty cool.
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Miller!! Miller!!!!!! Noooooooooooooooo!!!!CLAM DOWN posted:I like how in the future where earth is united and the UN runs the show, all the nukes are still America's Hard Sci Fi nerd discussion: Yeah, I figured the interplanetary space nukes would probably be satellite, moon-based, or fleet-based rather than Earth silo based. But whatever, it's cool. I could see keeping a complementary set of ground-based nukes for strategic purposes (hard to wipe out in a space-based sneak attack), but the bulk of the strategic nukes would probably be based on ships or satellites... Time to go watch Dr. Strangelove again...
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gfarrell80 posted:Hard Sci Fi nerd discussion: If your retaliatory nukes are on the planet you force Mars to wipe out your population and provide an incentive for you to do the same if they want to disarm you. Space or Luna based nukes leave you vulnerable to being disarmed and blackmailed, making it genocide or nothing is better MAD.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:If your retaliatory nukes are on the planet you force Mars to wipe out your population and provide an incentive for you to do the same if they want to disarm you. Space or Luna based nukes leave you vulnerable to being disarmed and blackmailed, making it genocide or nothing is better MAD. The entire system is dangerously dependent on Earth, and in particular the biosphere. It’s not just genocide. It’s almost suicide. Even if Earth’s nukes never leave their silos, Mars is in for some hard centuries if they wreck Earth.
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Apparently the book goes into greater detail on what happens inside Eros during the initial infection. What are these details? Would it spoil a show watcher?
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Just read the books you illiterate rubes. Spoiler alert: the protomolecule kills Snape.
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Apparently the book goes into greater detail on what happens inside Eros during the initial infection. What are these details? Would it spoil a show watcher? It’s more descriptions of horrors than actual plot you’re missing.
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So im guessing Miller, Julie and the protomolecule are gonna be alright 
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Apparently the book goes into greater detail on what happens inside Eros during the initial infection. What are these details? Would it spoil a show watcher? ...they're two different beasts really. book chat: Eros is more of a "body horror" situation. Starts with puking zombies, which I'm glad they left out, and then goes full Alien 2 as the protomolocule converts human bodies into structures. Talk of spinal cord pillars, walls made out of rib cages, autonomous remains of human body parts dragging themselves through protomolocule goo. Screaming voices repeating phrases over and over... There's a bit of it in the show where you see the hand growing out of the wall but the show was more peaceful. The books are worth reading if you like the show. I don't think they're great, and largely prefer the show's interpretation of events, but they do flesh out the setting more and do stuff that you can't do on a TV budget.
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Snuffman posted:The books are worth reading if you like the show. I don't think they're great, and largely prefer the show's interpretation of events, but they do flesh out the setting more and do stuff that you can't do on a TV budget. I agree. The books are good, not great. The best thing the authors did was refine and distill their books for the show. I think it makes for a tighter narrative and more entertaining to boot. I definitely like the slightly sinister Fairy Garden of the TV show to what's in the book.
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Book Eros basically looks like if The Thing escaped from Antarctica and infected the whole world.
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Book Eros is better in the sense that it gives details of a sort of biological technology growing inside. Some is adapted/twisted by its human origins for horror effect, but you also get huge nautilus shell things that might be generators or impulse engines connected by power conduits and fleshy networking.
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