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old beast lunatic
Nov 3, 2004

by Hand Knit
You raise some interesting points but I'm just obsessed with the fact that the president of the untied states is a giant loving retard.

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velvet milkman
Feb 13, 2012

by R. Guyovich

DrPlump posted:

It`s ironic to the point of absolute stupidity that I have to post this message in the Republican Presidents thread just to be heard. And yet, that is the sad reality.

Because we are lost.

The left is a loving joke.

I`ve been called a racist, sexist xenophobe because I supported free speech of those I disagreed with. Is that our loving position?

I've seen facebook, twitter, google and reddit ban and silence the voices they disagree with. Is that how we win a loving debate?

I've been called a fascist for conceding that Trump told the truth. I've been called a conspiracy theorist for disagreeing with the demonstrably false fake news narrative.

I've been labeled and dismissed by the people who I honest to god thought we're on my own loving side for doing research and admitting that Trump's many supporters and spokespeople might just have a point on some of these issues. Is that our loving strategy for victory?

Let me get this straight...

Our position is SO loving WEAK that we SILENCE, SMEAR, BAN and CENSOR alternative voices to continue our narrative??

I say bullshit.

I believe in universal healthcare and a social safety net. I believe in regulation and socialism to the degree that they protect the environment and the disenfranchised.

But I don't see anything resembling a reasonable respectable debate on these ideas. I see a bunch of closed-minded assholes living in an echo-chamber of fake news and eating corporatism propaganda like it's bacon.

90% of the submissions I've ever made to this website have been removed by some dick mod for some stupid reason. In 10 loving years on this website all my support came from THIS DOMFORUM in the last six months.

Screech racism/sexism/xenophobia all you like but that won't change the fact that THIS is the philosophy of being inclusive. Out there in the fact-free fake news bubble is the cold isolation of victim badges and virtue signals.

Here in the conservative, libertarian, right-wing Trump tent it is warm and welcoming.

I say this to the left with love: Our message is currently a joke.

If we don't get our poo poo together and kick out the corporatists, the toxic violent anarchists, the holier-than-thou SJW's and most importantly admit WHY WE LOST than this political faction is dead.

And no offense, but I won't shed a tear.

Let's start by seeing if we can win a policy debate without using any of the following absolutely obvious bullshit narratives: Racist, Fascist, Russia.

If we can't, then I say I gently caress it. Let the party die. It serves no purpose for anyone besides the corrupt power elite.

this, but wrapped in another four or five layers of irony

Serf
May 5, 2011


i tried the grand mac

never again

kaleedity
Feb 27, 2016



Coolguye posted:

this is like asking how wal-mart would fare if a law came down banning tobacco sales in anything except explicit cigar shops

would wal-mart make sad faces? sure, but they're just going to tear down the cigarette kiosks and put up a lovely electronics kiosk that sells 3$ knockoff mp3 players for 30 bucks and make about as much money anyway

I don't disagree with the outcome, but I don't see how we get there if the medical industry fights it

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO
Superman vs Wonder Woman (Injustice Gods Among Us: Year Four Volume 1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr0hKchQwc0&t=226s

I found this bit relevant to Trump.

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
Order up!

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

triple sulk posted:

what the gently caress does this even mean

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Agean90 posted:

the dem thread got whiney as fuuuuuuck and its staring to leak

I mean whinier then usual

they're currently blaming hillary clinton for everything the gop does

seems like the same as always

tacodaemon
Nov 27, 2006



lol texas adopted athletic rules saying trans kids have to compete with their birth gender and now every girl in the state wrestling tournament is losing to this one trans dude who's been on hormone therapy for a while

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-championship/

Fidel Castronaut
Dec 25, 2004

Houston, we're Havana problem.

Shageletic posted:

I'm not disagreeing!!!!

Dang!

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

DrPlump posted:

It`s ironic to the point of absolute stupidity that I have to post this message in the Republican Presidents thread just to be heard. And yet, that is the sad reality.

Because we are lost.

The left is a loving joke.

I`ve been called a racist, sexist xenophobe because I supported free speech of those I disagreed with. Is that our loving position?

I've seen facebook, twitter, google and reddit ban and silence the voices they disagree with. Is that how we win a loving debate?

I've been called a fascist for conceding that Trump told the truth. I've been called a conspiracy theorist for disagreeing with the demonstrably false fake news narrative.

I've been labeled and dismissed by the people who I honest to god thought we're on my own loving side for doing research and admitting that Trump's many supporters and spokespeople might just have a point on some of these issues. Is that our loving strategy for victory?

Let me get this straight...

Our position is SO loving WEAK that we SILENCE, SMEAR, BAN and CENSOR alternative voices to continue our narrative??

I say bullshit.

I believe in universal healthcare and a social safety net. I believe in regulation and socialism to the degree that they protect the environment and the disenfranchised.

But I don't see anything resembling a reasonable respectable debate on these ideas. I see a bunch of closed-minded assholes living in an echo-chamber of fake news and eating corporatism propaganda like it's bacon.

90% of the submissions I've ever made to this website have been removed by some dick mod for some stupid reason. In 10 loving years on this website all my support came from THIS DOMFORUM in the last six months.

Screech racism/sexism/xenophobia all you like but that won't change the fact that THIS is the philosophy of being inclusive. Out there in the fact-free fake news bubble is the cold isolation of victim badges and virtue signals.

Here in the conservative, libertarian, right-wing Trump tent it is warm and welcoming.

I say this to the left with love: Our message is currently a joke.

If we don't get our poo poo together and kick out the corporatists, the toxic violent anarchists, the holier-than-thou SJW's and most importantly admit WHY WE LOST than this political faction is dead.

And no offense, but I won't shed a tear.

Let's start by seeing if we can win a policy debate without using any of the following absolutely obvious bullshit narratives: Racist, Fascist, Russia.

If we can't, then I say I gently caress it. Let the party die. It serves no purpose for anyone besides the corrupt power elite.

sir we dont have crystal pepsi

old beast lunatic
Nov 3, 2004

by Hand Knit

tacodaemon posted:

lol texas adopted athletic rules saying trans kids have to compete with their birth gender and now every girl in the state wrestling tournament is losing to this one trans dude who's been on hormone therapy for a while

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-championship/

lol owned

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

Tainen posted:

I'm sure this was posted already but it owns and I just saw it!

https://twitter.com/wrightr/status/835139583314702341


Also the header image on the actual story owns too.

No kidding.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

triple sulk posted:

what the gently caress does this even mean

its like when he "renewed his pledge" to bring back jobs, it means nothing and requires no effort but gets him free praise

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Coolguye posted:

again, if early detection rose to 100% and insurance companies were able to cut their dread disease payouts accordingly, they would make so much money it would give even trump a woody. just a single stage 4 diagnosis costs insurance companies hundreds of thousands in claims and requires thousands upon thousands of paying premium holders to defray. if detection and diagnosis cut those out they wouldn't charge less, but they'd charge only 3-5% more per year instead of the loving 15% more, crow about how they're the best ever because they're not being quite as poo poo, and wipe their asses with the bennies all the way to the bank

and it would still be way better for literally the entire world

Insurance companies have a cap on how much they can charge over expenses, although you can expect that law to disappear some time soon.

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan

kaleedity posted:

2 grand big macs coming right up

JFC, its not the grand Big Mac, its the Grand Mac.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Yinlock posted:

they're currently blaming hillary clinton for everything the gop does

seems like the same as always

yeah but it used to talk about reform of the dem party, now its a bunch of dudes who are too day crew for day crew shouting about how the dems are dead, all is lost, and any news of increased political activity is ignored.

My Moms Penis
Feb 21, 2017

by zen death robot
Too many "ironic" racists post here.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!

It's fun watching him realize that EO's actually require some work and aren't just booming edicts from the heavens that warp reality like everyone said they were when Barack The Shock was in charge.

DrPlump
Oct 5, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

tacodaemon posted:

lol texas adopted athletic rules saying trans kids have to compete with their birth gender and now every girl in the state wrestling tournament is losing to this one trans dude who's been on hormone therapy for a while

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-championship/

Everyone should have unrestricted access to testosterone injections! Think of how swole we could all be!

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

tacodaemon posted:

lol texas adopted athletic rules saying trans kids have to compete with their birth gender and now every girl in the state wrestling tournament is losing to this one trans dude who's been on hormone therapy for a while

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-championship/

SCHOLARSHIP! SCHOLARSHIP! SCHOLARSHIP!

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

Intel&Sebastian posted:

It's fun watching him realize that EO's actually require some work and aren't just booming edicts from the heavens that warp reality like everyone said they were when Barack The Shock was in charge.

kyros' will is absolute

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Agean90 posted:

yeah but it used to talk about reform of the dem party, now its a bunch of dudes who are too day crew for day crew shouting about how the dems are dead, all is lost, and any news of increased political activity is ignored.

no that's also pretty much the same as always

i have had multiple arguments in that thread about my radical new idea that multiple things can be problems at once

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

Vladimir Putin posted:

Early detection for cancers is also a weird thing. For some specific ones it's helpful like breast cancer. But it turns out that if you just give everybody a full body MRI every year it doesn't help you at all. You kind of have to know what you are looking for--and it gets narrowed down to very specific forms like breast or prostate. So I think the science hasn't really caught up in this field yet.

sure, it's just one example of many though

cancer blowouts of various types can be prevented by early detection.
cardiac blowouts of various types can be prevented by lowering blood pressure (arterial can, congenital largely can't)
respiratory blowouts of various types can be prevented with physical therapy reinforced with getting out of the drat rascal and walking places

you're not going to completely eliminate this stuff but you can make a huge change in the financial realities. and part of the reason it's such a clusterfuck is because the insurance companies themselves have no idea how to craft programs that work. most good laws are simply making official the things that the professionals (ie, the people who actually know what they're doing) are already doing because it works. this entire insurance poo poo is cart-before-the-horse because insurance companies don't know what works.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!

Feminasty Slut posted:

You raise some interesting points but I'm just obsessed with the fact that the president of the untied states is a giant loving retard.

- me constantly whilst trying to keep up with the news like I used to

Serf
May 5, 2011


DrPlump posted:

Everyone should have unrestricted access to testosterone injections! Think of how swole we could all be!

gently caress democracy we need a swoletocracy

rule by the most diesel

DrPlump
Oct 5, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

The Nastier Nate posted:

JFC, its not the grand Big Mac, its the Grand Mac.

Eventually the Macs grow large enough to destroy buildings as McDonalds continues its soft transition to the weapons industry.

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

euphronius posted:

Global warming is really nice

Not gonna lie

72 degrees

my local weather

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!
I just want to state that I'm still appreciating the "So much for the tolerant loft" post about that dude who died in the bed frame factory.

Former Everything
Nov 28, 2007


Is this right?

Tainen posted:

I'm sure this was posted already but it owns and I just saw it!

https://twitter.com/wrightr/status/835139583314702341


Also the header image on the actual story owns too.

err, this article has some crazy poo poo in it:

quote:

Active measures were used by both sides throughout the Cold War. In the nineteen-sixties, Soviet intelligence officers spread a rumor that the U.S. government was involved in the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. In the eighties, they spread the rumor that American intelligence had “created” the AIDS virus, at Fort Detrick, Maryland.

i've heard those things as sort of conspiracy theory rumors; are they from russian sources originally or did the russians seize on a narrative?

quote:

He loathed Obama, who had applied economic sanctions against Putin’s cronies after the annexation of Crimea and the invasion of eastern Ukraine. (Russian state television derided Obama as “weak,” “uncivilized,” and a “eunuch.”)

baloogan is a russian puppet, confirmed

quote:

Critics of the report have repeatedly noted that intelligence agencies, in the months before the Iraq War, endorsed faulty assessments concerning weapons of mass destruction. But the intelligence community was deeply divided over the actual extent of Iraq’s weapons development; the question of Russia’s responsibility for cyberattacks in the 2016 election has produced no such tumult. Seventeen federal intelligence agencies have agreed that Russia was responsible for the hacking.

i've seen this argument/response before...

quote:

Remarkably, the Obama Administration learned of the hacking operation only in early summer—nine months after the F.B.I. first contacted the D.N.C. about the intrusion—and then was reluctant to act too strongly, for fear of being seen as partisan.

***

In October, as evidence of Russian meddling mounted, senior national-security officials met to consider a plan of response; proposals included releasing damaging information about Russian officials, including their bank accounts, or a cyber operation directed at Moscow. Secretary of State John Kerry was concerned that such plans might undercut diplomatic efforts to get Russia to coöperate with the West in Syria—efforts that eventually failed.

***

At the time, Clinton was leading in the race, which, the official said, reinforced Obama’s decision not to respond more aggressively. “If we have a very forceful response, it actually helps delegitimize the election.”

***

That sense of caution continued during the transition, when Obama was intent on an orderly transfer of power. Secretary of State Kerry proposed the creation of an independent bipartisan group to investigate Russian interference in the election. It would have been modelled on the 9/11 Commission, a body consisting of five Republicans and five Democrats who interviewed more than twelve hundred people. According to two senior officials, Obama reviewed Kerry’s proposal but ultimately rejected it, in part because he was convinced that Republicans in Congress would regard it as a partisan exercise. One aide who favored the idea says, “It would have gotten the ball rolling, making it difficult for Trump to shut it down. Now it’s a lot harder to make it happen.”

***

During the transition, officials in the Obama Administration were hearing that Trump was somehow compromised or beholden to Russian interests. “The Russians make investments in people not knowing the exact outcome,” one senior Obama Administration official said. “They obtain leverage on those people, too.”

jfc

:tif:

tacodaemon
Nov 27, 2006



if trump hadn't run for president i would have spent the rest of my life thinking he was just an ordinary classless rear end in a top hat and not a classless rear end in a top hat who is also dumb as hell with one-molecule-thick skin

Tainen
Jan 23, 2004

Yinlock posted:

they're currently blaming hillary clinton for everything the GOP does

So the same thing that would've happened if she had won.

Serf
May 5, 2011


i mean the govt did kill mlk tho that poo poo is just a fact

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Former Everything posted:

Remarkably, the Obama Administration learned of the hacking operation only in early summer—nine months after the F.B.I. first contacted the D.N.C. about the intrusion—and then was reluctant to act too strongly, for fear of being seen as partisan.

sounds about right

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

lmebo

he's already out

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

tacodaemon posted:

if trump hadn't run for president i would have spent the rest of my life thinking he was just an ordinary classless rear end in a top hat and not a classless rear end in a top hat who is also dumb as hell with one-molecule-thick skin

yeah i never really comprehended the full scope of just how dumb he is before this

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Yinlock posted:

no that's also pretty much the same as always

i have had multiple arguments in that thread about my radical new idea that multiple things can be problems at once

true I'm likely just projecting from wishing the DPP thread was more active

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

kaleedity posted:

I don't disagree with the outcome, but I don't see how we get there if the medical industry fights it

hospital unions do not give a poo poo. they know their income is diversified. they are getting paid regardless. only the most niche and boutique places are going to seriously be sad if insurance companies figure out how to make low-cost stuff more likely - and gently caress those places.

big pharma companies that put out a new, expensive chemical every year to fight a slightly different flavor of cancer will care, but that just leads to a war in hell between insurance companies and big pharma, to which i say :munch:

Vladimir Putin
Mar 17, 2007

by R. Guyovich

Coolguye posted:

sure, it's just one example of many though

cancer blowouts of various types can be prevented by early detection.
cardiac blowouts of various types can be prevented by lowering blood pressure (arterial can, congenital largely can't)
respiratory blowouts of various types can be prevented with physical therapy reinforced with getting out of the drat rascal and walking places

you're not going to completely eliminate this stuff but you can make a huge change in the financial realities. and part of the reason it's such a clusterfuck is because the insurance companies themselves have no idea how to craft programs that work. most good laws are simply making official the things that the professionals (ie, the people who actually know what they're doing) are already doing because it works. this entire insurance poo poo is cart-before-the-horse because insurance companies don't know what works.

How much is it going to cost to give every patient, including the vast majority of healthy ones, every single genetic, imaging, molecular test for every single cancer including the high frequency ones like lung cancer to the very rare ones?

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Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




Turdfuzz posted:

imma pure bred american ding dong motherfucker

dont listen to this canadian

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