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Have you considered the idea of a Watson Dolchstoß?
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spectralent posted:Yeah, maybe, but, as I said, I'm a labour member. Why isn't there a list of this stuff going to me? Why doesn't stuff keep showing up in this pro-left thread? I can start posting ones of interest as they appear, but you're right. There's no central PR strategy and it's becoming clear that Corbyn would rather focus on boots on the ground. It's not logistically possible anymore with the growth of the internet to compete that way. Or, at least, doesn't appear to be. Maybe he can hire KFC's team to start making utterly insufferable tory blogs.
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jBrereton posted:(he's talking about both) Except a lot of people who support an independent Scotland aren't trying to 'divide us on the basis of background, race or religion'. They're trying to divide Scotland from an incredibly poo poo Tory government, which is actually a pretty reasonable thing to want to do. Labour of all people should be understanding of the fact that a lot of people want to get away from Westminster, not try and make the loving ridiculous accusation of racism against the English.
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Feb 25, 2017 15:40
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If Jeremy Corbyn hires me I will make a recipe blog of exclusively communist foods that contains long, rambling stories of an idyllic socialist childhood that may or may not be real but is definitely hard to parse the instructions through, thus ensuring the middle classes fully engage and internalise a socialist message.
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Feb 25, 2017 15:41
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jabby posted:Except a lot of people who support an independent Scotland aren't trying to 'divide us on the basis of background, race or religion'. They're trying to divide Scotland from an incredibly poo poo Tory government Nationalism in Scotland didn't appear in 2010.
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Feb 25, 2017 15:41
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I am shocked that the Labour mayor of London is emphasising Scotland's shared values with London in a Labour party unionist event. Anyway, Corbyn's Greatest Hits compilations aside, I think part of the problem is that Corbyn doesn't say things that pisses people off. He honestly could take a page from Sadiq Khan here. Because hey, we're talking about his speech. Fangz fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Feb 25, 2017 |
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Feb 25, 2017 15:42
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I'm starting to think that flaps isn't committed to the cause of international socialism
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Feb 25, 2017 15:42
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Pissflaps posted:Well either a) Corbyn is frequently making these amazing speeches that you have to witness in person to understand and nobody is bothering to video them or talk about them anywhere on social media. Id suspect you were a bot if it wasn't for the insightful and valuable comments in the TV forum.
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Feb 25, 2017 15:43
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Fangz posted:I am shocked that the Labour mayor of London is emphasising Scotland's shared values with London in a Labour party unionist event.
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Feb 25, 2017 15:44
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jBrereton posted:He says all kinds of things that piss people off, his support wouldn't be so low otherwise. Not really.
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Feb 25, 2017 15:44
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Seaside Loafer posted:I still have you on ignore (because you post so much in this thread you make it unreadable and i quite like to find out about news and stuff without it all being you you you, not because I think you are a oval office or anything) and I successfully predicted your exact answer to the guy you quoted. Do you think it's A or B? And how are you able to see my posts in the TV thread if you have me on ignore? I'm sensing some nuance in your post.
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Feb 25, 2017 15:45
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the good people of Scotland just want to break away from the tyranny of (((Westminster))) *wink wink*
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Feb 25, 2017 15:45
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Pissflaps posted:Do you think it's A or B? Ironically I was just thinking that if Jeremy could be as consistently annoying and on message as your internet fun all our problems would be solved. e: oh sorry, answer to question, B I think. Id have noticed I reckon.
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Feb 25, 2017 15:48
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Comrade Cheggorsky posted:the good people of Scotland just want to break away from the tyranny of (((Westminster))) *wink wink* Trump: the Mexicans are taking our money. Farage: East Europeans are taking our money. Sturgeon: But yeah Scottish nationalism is the good one because
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Feb 25, 2017 15:48
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Pissflaps posted:Well either a) Corbyn is frequently making these amazing speeches that you have to witness in person to understand and nobody is bothering to video them or talk about them anywhere on social media. the blurry 30 minute videos of a man speaking in windy conditions usually get 4-5k shares. He's been a bit dry lately because talking about Brexit really doesn't seem to inspire him. Nobody here is claiming he's Fidel, but his speeches are of substance and hold a crowd well. He doesn't stare eerily into the camera at great length, he doesn't waggle his hands in the air. He talks passionately on a few issues which he's notably good at. I think he could probably use some writing coaching or a team that can keep him focused and on point when talking about policy because at the moment his proposals are good but nothing has stuck. He can trash the tories with ease but negative attacks on a government only really work for reactionaries and rallies. The problem then shows itself, he can't switch between the angry socialist and the idealist quick enough and maintain the energy. I'd be surprised if nobody has suggested Obama's team with him, they're the exact kind of scum who can paint a vivid image of meaningless positivity he needs to round it out.
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Feb 25, 2017 15:49
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Spangly A posted:the blurry 30 minute videos of a man speaking in windy conditions usually get 4-5k shares. He's been a bit dry lately because talking about Brexit really doesn't seem to inspire him. The brexit vote was over six months ago. I'll put you down as a shy B.
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Feb 25, 2017 15:50
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Fangz posted:Not really. In that stoke video from the Guardian, your ideal Labour voter is saying "he's a dick. He'd let us get invaded and put the kettle on and say 'crack on then'". Most people including many working class people obviously do not like his let's-play-kumbaya defence/security policy and his historic support for organisations that were blowing up British soldiers in the Troubles. e: and when you look at the Copeland thing, yer average old biddy on the bus they interviewed is saying "he's against nuclear or certainly used to be, that's all we have". jBrereton fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Feb 25, 2017 |
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Feb 25, 2017 15:51
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Can we declare independence from pissflaps posts.
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Feb 25, 2017 15:51
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its amazing how what is likely to the biggest political event of our lifetime doesn't inspire the jam man, its like he is not that fussed about leaving the EU or something
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Pissflaps posted:The brexit vote was over six months ago. I'll put you down as a shy B.
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Pissflaps posted:The brexit vote was over six months ago. I'll put you down as a shy B. it's all he's talking about, it's irritating. He really doesn't get anywhere calmly asking the tories to not be tories. Comrade Cheggorsky posted:its amazing how what is likely to the biggest political event of our lifetime doesn't inspire the jam man, its like he is not that fussed about leaving the EU or something please explain in an angry shouty way acceptable to both racists and the uneducated leavers, protest votes, and all forms of remain *anything* anything you like Spangly A fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Feb 25, 2017 |
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Feb 25, 2017 15:53
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Pissflaps posted:Trump: the Mexicans are taking our money. You admit this country is hosed but it really pisses you off that they have a chance to escape. Is it anything other than jealousy? England is unfixable. Why should we all go down together?
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Regarde Aduck posted:You admit this country is hosed but it really pisses you off that they have a chance to escape. Is it anything other than jealousy? England is unfixable. Why should we all go down together? don't let him do the false equivalency bullshit on you, the difference there is one is punching upwards. Scot nationalism doesn't threaten the English because ((westminsters)) has nuclear submarines and what the gently caress are they going to do about it. English nationalists kill MPs, and not the right ones. Scotland should be welcome to leave, if I wasn't already Irish I'd leg it there when they do Pissflaps posted:Farage and the EU is punching down? you said eastern europeans make your argument consistent please Spangly A fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Feb 25, 2017 |
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Feb 25, 2017 15:56
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Spangly A posted:don't let him do the false equivalency bullshit on you, the difference there is one is punching upwards. Farage and the EU is punching down?
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Feb 25, 2017 15:57
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I'm demonstrably 1 quarter Scottish, will they let me in? Though if i'm going to leg it i'm going somewhere warm.
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Feb 25, 2017 16:01
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Regarde Aduck posted:You admit this country is hosed but it really pisses you off that they have a chance to escape. Is it anything other than jealousy? England is unfixable. Why should we all go down together?
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Feb 25, 2017 16:01
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jBrereton posted:We had this "Labour is doomed England is doomed they're going to be tories forever" crap in 1992 due to the similarly atrocious Kinnock leading the party into electoral defeat against a different new, bad, Tory government. Then 1997 happened! so you agree with people in 1992?
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Feb 25, 2017 16:03
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jabby posted:For a second I thought he might actually be speaking out against the rising tide of English nationalism, but no, he's gone up to Scotland to criticise them for wanting to break away from the tyre fire that is England. spectralent posted:If Jeremy Corbyn hires me I will make a recipe blog of exclusively communist foods that contains long, rambling stories of an idyllic socialist childhood that may or may not be real but is definitely hard to parse the instructions through, thus ensuring the middle classes fully engage and internalise a socialist message. jBrereton posted:Most people including many working class people obviously do not like his let's-play-kumbaya defence/security policy and his historic support for organisations that were blowing up British soldiers in the Troubles. Hospital closures kill more than car bombs ever will.
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Feb 25, 2017 16:03
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Ah yes, lets see how 'He wants to cut back on anti terrorism spending' goes down with the public.
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Spangly A posted:so you agree with people in 1992? The party needs a better leader, and May needs to keep loving up and we'll see what happens in the future. The 2020 election's 3 years and 3 months away, although as I have said plenty of times I am honestly surprised May didn't go for a GE immediately after the Brexit vote.
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Feb 25, 2017 16:07
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serious gaylord posted:Ah yes, lets see how 'He wants to cut back on anti terrorism spending' goes down with the public. We come back, again, to the "people are loving morons who can't put anything into perspective" thing.
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Feb 25, 2017 16:11
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jabby posted:For a second I thought he might actually be speaking out against the rising tide of English nationalism, but no, he's gone up to Scotland to criticise them for wanting to break away from the tyre fire that is England. All forms of nationalism are bad.
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Feb 25, 2017 16:11
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Guavanaut posted:He can turn that into a positive with the Tory overfunding of security services and underfunding of the NHS.
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Feb 25, 2017 16:12
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jBrereton posted:"Did I defend the Provisional IRA? Yes. Do I defend the retention of more maternity wards even if I can understand the argument that a smaller number of better-funded specialist units may actually be more viable when many British doctors are loving off abroad? Also yes. Vote Labour." You don't believe that NHS underfunding might be part of why so many doctors are loving off abroad?
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jBrereton posted:"Did I defend the Provisional IRA? Yes. Do I defend the retention of more maternity wards even if I can understand the argument that a smaller number of better-funded specialist units may actually be more viable when many British doctors are loving off abroad? Also yes. Vote Labour." If the NHS is unfucked you can then have a larger number of better funded specialist units because we don't live in the 90s anymore. And at absolutely no point should the British be misled into thinking their treatment of the IRA was in any way just or fair. It wasn't. jBrereton posted:Do I agree with the people who said then and are saying now "Labour is done-zo"? No. After Blair Labour haemmorhaged 3 million voters.
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serious gaylord posted:Ah yes, lets see how 'He wants to cut back on anti terrorism spending' goes down with the public. I'm not suggesting that he quotes the Manics word for word on that, even though it is plainly true, but a ground level campaign on "well what are they actually doing, really?" and "that £1.1b could have saved [x] lives if it was put into the NHS" could have appeal. The major problem is that the tabloids all have a hard-on for state authoritarianism (as long as that doesn't include press regulation or anything they class as 'PC') and want people to think that the big problem with the NHS is ~immigrants~.
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Feb 25, 2017 16:18
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spectralent posted:We come back, again, to the "people are loving morons who can't put anything into perspective" thing. The SIA, which covers the MIs and GCHQ, was about 3 billion. Who are the morons with no perspective?
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Feb 25, 2017 16:19
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Darth Walrus posted:You don't believe that NHS underfunding might be part of why so many doctors are loving off abroad?
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Feb 25, 2017 16:21
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jBrereton posted:It's part of the problem but the other part is a combination of politics and economics. British doctors are wanted everywhere and they're smart enough to know they're wanted. Jeremy Hunt sees them as a resource, which is why there is going to be a short-term ban on them working outside the country after their training is done (not unreasonable, but everything he touches is despised). who gives a poo poo where our doctors come from if they can practice medicine and communicate with a patient? Jeremy Hunt's work ban is laughable and no, it's not reasonable.
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jBrereton posted:Healthcare spending is £142.7bil with significant space for overspending - we had about a billion pounds last quarter IIRC. 73,000 die of heart attacks in the UK alone every year. Last year one person died because of a terrorist, which the media largely decided wasn't a big deal. At this ratio, terrorism defence should be about 2 million. Though GCHQ probably also do various cyberwarfare stuff, which has also done much more practical damage to the country than terrorism. And, in answer to your dumb rhetorical question, I would say the people who will argue that we didn't even have a terrorist attack last year because he was white but we definitely need to build a fence around the chunnel to stop the muslims getting in are the morons with no perspective.
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