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SlayVus posted:R5 and R3 Ryzen chips will come out in 2nd half of this year. Probably like at the start of 4th quarter. Best AM4 motherboard is apparently ASUS crosshair if you're going to overclock. The best one to go with for you if you waited for budget, probably a B350 board. R5 is slated for the second quarter, not the second half.
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Junior Jr. posted:I never had to care for AMD's CPU architechture until Ryzen. Honestly you should wait until it's actually been out for a few months and motherboard manufacturers have had time to work out the ievitable bugs.
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JnnyThndrs posted:I thought K-series chips didn't come with stick coolers anymore? Sorry, I didn't know that, my point was: Sashimi posted:They don't, the stock Intel coolers are terrible and would be useless for overclocking. I thought something was wrong with the cooler that came with my 2500k. At least with a stupid overpowered GPU setup in a review you can understand that you don't really want to see any GPU bottlenecks in a CPU review, but there are definitely some people who will buy a CPU, slap the stock cooler on, and wonder why their performance isn't close to what the reviews sold them on.
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Feb 25, 2017 16:55
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Junior Jr. posted:If it does turn out to be really good, what's the best AM4 motherboards for it All we have are some comments from reviewers who got samples saying a mobo with a good power delivery system of some sort is key for overclocking the 8C Ryzen's. OC'ing the 4C or 6C Ryzen's could have much lower requirements. That and they're all saying there are some bugs with the BIOS's that are being fixed which is improving high speed memory support and performance but some things are still wonky.
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fishmech posted:Honestly you should wait until it's actually been out for a few months and motherboard manufacturers have had time to work out the ievitable bugs. Especially given that by every. single. indication. Ryzen has been rushed out and the mobo manufacturers are scrambling to get their products out on launch day. Memory performance isn't a big deal by itself all that much... but it's concerning that AM4 can only deliver roughly half of its intended memory clocks. And the stuff about most motherboards (even high-end) not overclocking particularly well isn't great either. Yeah, maybe BIOS revisions fix it. Maybe not. Don't pre-order hardware while reviews are still under NDA you dolts. How many times do we have to play this merry-go-round, weren't Fiji and Bulldozer and Phenom enough lessons yet? Right now /r/AMD is on a witch hunt against Gibbo of OCUK (who is an amazing guy) because he dared to point out the problems with memory clocks and recommended that you only plug in 2 DIMMs to start with. There's people trying to page AMD reps into the thread on the impression that they will bring down some kind of official wrath on him, accusing OCUK of "clickbait", etc. The hype train is utterly out of control right now. But hey - that's what happens when you deliberately create an information vacuum and then start taking pre-orders at $800 a pop for hardware you rushed out the door... Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Feb 25, 2017 |
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OCUK do know their stuff, I'd certainly believe what he says about it. As a store they used to be schizophrenic with service, though. I got burned with a faulty hard drive and I still remember dammit 
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Feb 25, 2017 17:50
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Paul MaudDib posted:Right now /r/AMD is on a witch hunt against Gibbo of OCUK (who is an amazing guy) because he dared to point out the problems with memory clocks and recommended that you only plug in 2 DIMMs to start with. There's people trying to page AMD reps into the thread on the impression that they will bring down some kind of official wrath on him, accusing OCUK of "clickbait", etc. The hype train is utterly out of control right now. "This guy who's trying to sell Ryzen hardware is telling lies about Ryzen so people won't buy it!" - /r/amd 
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fishmech posted:Honestly you should wait until it's actually been out for a few months and motherboard manufacturers have had time to work out the ievitable bugs. this should be the new OP. If you really need a high end CPU right now for whatever reason, the R7 seems like a good option. All others should wait a few months to see how things shake out — motherboard stability, CPU errata, benchmarks to evaluate performance behaviour for your applications, GloFo process improvements, better value SKUs with more OC headroom, perhaps even a response from Intel (heh who am I kidding).
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But if everyone listens to sense and reason we won't get early goon reviews! Someone has to take one for the team.
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I literally don't have a desktop computer atm cause mine is currently dead and broken. I'll definitely be a goon forerunner and post about my inevitable troubles and the probable failures of gen 1 Ryzen. E: Also my sole reason for not just picking up a comparable gen 7 I5 for gaming is that I want to believe. So feel free to laugh at me later on. Toalpaz fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Feb 25, 2017 |
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Feb 25, 2017 18:22
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Intel are slashing prices across the consumer boards, check the Intel thread for specifics.
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Toalpaz posted:I literally don't have a desktop computer atm cause mine is currently dead and broken. I'll definitely be a goon forerunner and post about my inevitable troubles and the probable failures of gen 1 Ryzen. Too early to know really how it is, but the ASUS Prime X370 Pro is significantly cheaper then the ROG board with the same amount of VRM phases. If I had no PC I'd do it, gently caress it. GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Feb 25, 2017 |
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Boiled Water posted:Intel are slashing prices across the consumer boards, check the Intel thread for specifics. No, they aren't, that was just a list of Micro Center's normal prices for CPUs, they have always had very good deals on CPUs and CPU/mobo combos.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:No, they aren't, that was just a list of Micro Center's normal prices for CPUs, they have always had very good deals on CPUs and CPU/mobo combos. buu.
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Paul MaudDib posted:Especially given that by every. single. indication. Ryzen has been rushed out and the mobo manufacturers are scrambling to get their products out on launch day. Memory performance isn't a big deal by itself all that much... but it's concerning that AM4 can only deliver roughly half of its intended memory clocks. And the stuff about most motherboards (even high-end) not overclocking particularly well isn't great either. Really? Over immature ram timings in the bios from amd? ffs, I mean back in the nforce days me and Merlin would release updated bios files with the latest romsip and Bpl code to work around this derp. Looks like gently caress all has changed, might need to look at brushing off modbin and see what can be done once the boards are out to play with. Also, for more info on what ram, and ram timing issues with embryonic Bios code check out http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?292937-Ryzen-and-memory JockstrapManthrust fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Feb 25, 2017 |
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Toalpaz posted:I literally don't have a desktop computer atm cause mine is currently dead and broken. I'll definitely be a goon forerunner and post about my inevitable troubles and the probable failures of gen 1 Ryzen.
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:OCUK do know their stuff, I'd certainly believe what he says about it. Are they still owned by a
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Toalpaz posted:I literally don't have a desktop computer atm cause mine is currently dead and broken. I'll definitely be a goon forerunner and post about my inevitable troubles and the probable failures of gen 1 Ryzen. Godspeed bleeding edge goon. Let us know if that edge cut you too bad.
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I will be a test subject too, my E8400 C2D has had enough. Going balls in, as long as the reviews don't turn out horrible.
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Feb 25, 2017 22:02
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Which Ryzen processor can rip the fattest threads
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VostokProgram posted:Which Ryzen processor can rip the fattest threads Thread Naysh, ya'll
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Kerbtree posted:Are they still owned by a Looks like you're right and they were. Ugh. Seems they were sold in 2012 though. Googling, that forum was a cesspit of pro BNP BS, gibbo included.
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Can someone repost the doom guy threadripper ta?
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Seems like some of the first leaked benchmarks are not that bad for memory. quote:Some food for thought which I posted in the memory thread. https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/amd-zen-thread-inc-am4-apu-discussion.18665505/page-449
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quote:This is a Zen getting 33.99GB/s out of 2133Mhz memory, which has a theoretical maximum bandwidth of 34.128GB/s... meaning, epic efficiency.
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You don't want ECC when your CPU does not support it. In all other cases why would you ever not want ECC? It costs a bit more, but not that much more and protects you from errors that might screw your data.
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:My initial reaction to those numbers is skepticism because that level of efficiency for common DRAM on any work load is ridiculous even for a synthetic benchmark. If it pans out through on actual real world work loads...that'll be real impressive and you can probably save some cash buying cheaper lower clocked memory instead of the high priced higher clocked stuff. Or buy the higher clocked stuff and enjoy the extra speed!
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HalloKitty posted:Or buy the higher clocked stuff and enjoy the extra speed! Even for Intel's latest chips there are lots of work loads that are totally insensitive to bandwidth and see no improvement even with quad channel memory.
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quote:Its quite possible faster memory does little to nothing even in memory sensitive work loads for Zen. Thats not worth spending ~$100 more for. We will have to see, but yes, the rumors above are indicative of that. Which - btw - may be a good thing. Don't know about you guys, but here in Greece it seems like DDR4 is getting price bumps every week or so..T_T
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memory latency is the important thing, and there's progressively less of it with higher speeds of RAM since CL isn't fully proportional to clocks.
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Dante80 posted:Which - btw - may be a good thing. If some quirk of Zen's design makes it work just as well with the cheap rear end slower RAM as it would with the fast RAM that saves money. Really saving money is half the reason why people are interested in Zen at all and if it offers different ways to do that I'm all for it.
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Dante80 posted:Don't know about you guys, but here in Greece it seems like DDR4 is getting price bumps every week or so..T_T Yeah, something about fabs retooling for a new process causing a supply shortage. I ordered two sticks of DDR3-ECC on Amazon mid December and today I wouldn't be able to buy a single stick for that price. 
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The scuttlebutt of low bandwidth RAM is that it's much harder to find low latency 2400 than it is to find average latency 3200
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eames posted:Yeah, something about fabs retooling for a new process causing a supply shortage. I ordered two sticks of DDR3-ECC on Amazon mid December and today I wouldn't be able to buy a single stick for that price. If you want ECC DDR3 of 4GB/module or less, check eBay. I got a couple of 4GB 1866MHz sticks that were originally for a Mac Pro for $36 a couple weeks back and they work perfectly even in a P55 board that doesn't support ECC. Registered modules are even cheaper from what I've seen, which makes sense considering from what I recall they require board support to work in any sense. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Feb 26, 2017 |
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Can't you just take the faster RAM and run it at lower speeds anymore?
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FuturePastNow posted:Can't you just take the faster RAM and run it at lower speeds anymore? Yes. In fact running something like DDR4-3200 at its rated speed is technically overclocking.
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So... are we back to dirty tricks AGAIN? http://wccftech.com/intel-playing-dirty-undercut-amd-ryzen/ I mean jesus gently caress, Intel.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:So... are we back to dirty tricks AGAIN? Kyle from HardOCP: "Finally, my marching orders!"
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