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Ghetto SuperCzar posted:Wait what the hell. Do you think people protesting trump are also children throwing temper tantrums? yes, for lo, he is everything wrong with the democrats made flesh
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Fulchrum posted:You managed to confuse throwing them a concession with conceding to them on every point and making them the only group who ever gets what they want. What other points have been conceded?
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Bernie's platform didn't. Ghetto SuperCzar posted:What other points have been conceded? The entire 2016 platform. That you forget this, qualify it or attempt to explain it away demonstrates why it's wiser to not give in to your demands.
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https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/835564721239650305 The real fight begins!
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Whoever is programing the music for the DNC vote counting is really nailing the "black music that doesn't alienate white people" imperative they were probably given.
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The people protesting trump are exactly the same as the people protesting the corrupt DNC because establishment dems are Just as bad as trump. It certainly can't be that the democrats attacking democrats have entered an emotional fugue and lost any sense of perspective.
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Ghetto SuperCzar posted:Wait what the hell. Do you think people protesting trump are also children throwing temper tantrums? All the protests and town halls are saying "Don't touch my stuff".
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I mean you can usually set your watch by it yeah Here's the thing: I can absolutely foresee a future in which Perez wins, brings Ellison and a lot of "Sanders wing" people into a coalition to move forward, and does many good things, and nonetheless a bunch of people check out because they set their heart on one single victory and decided it was that or nothing, no other victories were acceptable, give us this or we're taking our ball and making that dumb party with the bird symbol that people kept talking about around the end of the primary. Do I think that, given this, it would be wise to give them that victory? Of course. But if that's not what happens-- and none of us are on the committee and have votes, unless this dead gay comedy forum has way more reach than I expected-- then storming out will be an action that feels good and righteous and gives everyone warm fuzzies, but I struggle to see how it would in any way contribute to the ultimate goal of bringing the Republican regime down in flames around Donald Trump's ears and replacing it with something better and more human. Progressives have already made significant inroads at the local level, and given a couple rounds of party elections that'll inevitably filter its way up to the top, but if people throw their hands up and give up now, because it hasn't worked yet, then that'll all be for nothing. Maybe I give the activists doing the work on the ground too little credit. I hope so.
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Fulchrum posted:Bernie's platform didn't. Oh cool, the *actually* meaningless platform. I'm glad that qualifies as conceding everything, I will always hold on to that platform.
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Fulchrum posted:Bernie's platform didn't. American politics doesn't work that way, which is something you already know.
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Ghetto SuperCzar posted:Oh cool, the *actually* meaningless platform. I'm glad that qualifies as conceding everything, I will always hold on to that platform. Party platforms really matter. People often think they don't because they're just words, but the longer things stay in there the more important they become to the party. The Republicans put in "legalize raw milk" back during the Tea Party wave as a sop to those nutjobs and lo, just last year a bunch of states followed through (and immediately all their legislators got sick because lol).
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Fulchrum posted:Bernie's platform didn't. Wow you are salty AF about hillary
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:Wow you are salty AF about hillary he's the salt vampire from TOS
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Ghetto SuperCzar posted:Wait what the hell. Do you think people protesting trump are also children throwing temper tantrums? DNC chairperson election, just like national election.
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Quorum posted:Party platforms really matter. People often think they don't because they're just words, but the longer things stay in there the more important they become to the party. The Republicans put in "legalize raw milk" back during the Tea Party wave as a sop to those nutjobs and lo, just last year a bunch of states followed through (and immediately all their legislators got sick because lol). Wait, so if we just put 15 dollar minimum wage in the platform, even though we keep losing elections because no one likes the old guard, eventually it'll just happen? Wow!
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:Wait, so if we just put 15 dollar minimum wage in the platform, even though we keep losing elections because no one likes the old guard, eventually it'll just happen? Wow! "Wait, so if I don't vote for the major party candidate who supports what I want I don't get what I want?"
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Ballots currently being counted. Friends on the floor telling me its looking good for perez 
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Putting 15 in the platform, at the absolute minimum, makes democrats pay a price if they want to compromise down to 12. It's not worthless.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Because Ellison has "bad optics." So you actually fight against it proactively and take control of the narrative regarding muslims. Too often democrats have led by only doing what's perceived to be in the safe range of what's accepted; meanwhile republicans push the overton window rightwards without caring what they can get away with. The left shouldn't just timidly say "actually, muslms are all right and you don't have anything to fear from them." Someone should be saying "yeah, muslims rule, here's a bunch of art and culture and poo poo that they did that's contributed to/in line with american ideals and if you don't like it you hate america" and then more moderate messages will be more acceptable to the dumb as hell sections of the electorate who fall for "the truth is in the middle". I think like 7 in 10 people in america don't personally know any muslims
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Nevvy Z posted:"Wait, so if I don't vote for the major party candidate who supports what I want I don't get what I want?" You realize how big open this is, right? "None of them support what I want, so I'm voting for the orange guy to at least give them all hell"
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Rodatose posted:So you actually fight against it proactively and take control of the narrative regarding muslims. Too often democrats have led by only doing what's perceived to be in the safe range of what's accepted; meanwhile republicans push the overton window rightwards without caring what they can get away with. We tried running a campaign all about pluralism 4 months ago and it didn't go very well.
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JeffersonClay posted:We tried running a campaign all about pluralism 4 months ago and it didn't go very well. "Tried" is a really strong word for Hildawg's populism. LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:You realize how big open this is, right? Yeah. People flipping out about Perez are a lot like dumb accelerationists.
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Rodatose posted:So you actually fight against it proactively and take control of the narrative regarding muslims. Too often democrats have led by only doing what's perceived to be in the safe range of what's accepted; meanwhile republicans push the overton window rightwards without caring what they can get away with. Ask people if they think Arabic numerals should be banned.
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Jesus Christ, Donna, start with your loving glasses on. Wow, a bit of drama, 13 vote difference Egg Moron fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Feb 25, 2017 |
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Feb 25, 2017 20:21
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Perez will be DNC chair and then Booker 2020.
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JeffersonClay posted:We tried running a campaign all about pluralism 4 months ago and it didn't go very well. And again https://twitter.com/randygdub/status/796229362643152896
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Confounding Factor posted:Perez will be DNC chair and then Booker 2020. I'll take it in trade for Ellison 2028. 
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Perez 213.5 Ellison 200 Lol how do you get half a vote?
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Confounding Factor posted:Perez 213.5 Ellison 200 https://twitter.com/Alex_Roarty/status/835570745124220928
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Nevvy Z posted:I'll take it in trade for Ellison 2028. Speaker Ellison
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Confounding Factor posted:Perez 213.5 Ellison 200 Democrats abroad get half a vote. Edit: f,b
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They should at least get 3/5ths of a vote, come on.
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Confounding Factor posted:Perez will be DNC chair and then Booker 2020. Then let the Democrats be the conservative at the core, id pol on the surface party and start some new poo poo
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...why? Their opinion matters less cause they were away on other business? We have the Internet, they know the things everyone at the meeting knows.
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Fulchrum posted:...why? Their opinion matters less cause they were away on other business? We have the Internet, they know the things everyone at the meeting knows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrats_Abroad
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Nevvy Z posted:"Tried" is a really strong word for Hildawg's populism. Given how much bitching I heard about "identity politics" on this here board following the election, I don't think the problem was pushing pluralism with insufficient sincerity.
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