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Peanut Butler posted:last crosspost of this unless there's a Kansas shooting thread I missed- Yeah, I listened to that story on NPR the other day. Gosh, we're just not sure if we can charge the guy with a hate crime, because how can you know that there was hate in his heart? How could we possibly interpret "get out of my country?" Guess we'll never know what mysterious motivations this guy may have had.
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DrNutt posted:Yeah, I listened to that story on NPR the other day. Gosh, we're just not sure if we can charge the guy with a hate crime, because how can you know that there was hate in his heart? How could we possibly interpret "get out of my country?" Guess we'll never know what mysterious motivations this guy may have had. Why did this gentle loner do a no-no? We have no way of truly understanding his motivations...  Oh well. DAE think resisting arrest and disobeying officers should be a hate crime? If you disobey Are Polees, it can only be because you hate them.
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Feb 25, 2017 21:47
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I'm sure economic anxiety and frustration with Washington were factors that sent him over the edge.
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Feb 25, 2017 22:32
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beatlegs posted:I'm sure economic anxiety and frustration with Washington were factors that sent him over the edge. Clearly this was caused by Hillary Clinton's email server. Tell Chaffetz to stop gnawing the drywall and get back to investigating things.
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Feb 25, 2017 22:39
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Does this make Trump God or St. Peter if we follow this analogy full of Proper Nouns all the way through? https://twitter.com/CPAC/status/835498809346174977
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Feb 25, 2017 23:02
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Easy Salmon Recipe posted:Why did this gentle loner do a no-no? We have no way of truly understanding his motivations... *Black man shoots an off-duty, non uniformed cop who didn't identify himself* *Is tried for murdering a police officer and all the higher punishments entails*
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Feb 25, 2017 23:08
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Leofish posted:Does this make Trump God or St. Peter if we follow this analogy full of Proper Nouns all the way through? https://twitter.com/flarkle/status/835540992077901824
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Feb 25, 2017 23:13
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"If the Statue of Liberty can accept your tired, your poor, your hungry, yearning to be free, why can't Americ- wait..." 
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Feb 25, 2017 23:17
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Leofish posted:Does this make Trump God or St. Peter if we follow this analogy full of Proper Nouns all the way through? lol, quite literal blasphemy here. Not sure whether all the idiots laying hands on the actual golden bull idol on Wall Street is worse.
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Feb 25, 2017 23:29
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If Heaven can not exist, why can't America? BOOSH!
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Feb 26, 2017 00:01
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I want my leader to transform into a female horse, get horse preggo, and then give birth to a more than 4 legged super fast horse. Donnie let Putin's horse mount you.
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Feb 26, 2017 00:10
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PhazonLink posted:I want my leader to transform into a female horse, get horse preggo, and then give birth to a more than 4 legged super fast horse. Donald has more than likely taken members of his staff to a donkey show. Does that count?
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Also the drugs make Midwest meth labs look like kids playing with baking soda volcanos. How long do you think we have until krokodil starts to catch on? Leofish posted:Does this make Trump God or St. Peter if we follow this analogy full of Proper Nouns all the way through? Oh! Oh! Lemme guess? "Because man attempting to be on the same level of quality as God's domain is folly?" Or is that too theologically sound?
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Feb 26, 2017 01:59
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InequalityGodzilla posted:How long do you think we have until krokodil starts to catch on? We don't see the right drugs otc and because of the meth process, the other materials are harder and harder to get.
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Feb 26, 2017 02:05
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If Kronos can eat his children, why can't I?
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Leofish posted:Does this make Trump God or St. Peter if we follow this analogy full of Proper Nouns all the way through? Mathew 21:31-46 posted:"But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. Before him all the nations will be gathered, and he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will tell those on his right hand, ‘Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me drink. I was a stranger, and you took me in. I was naked, and you clothed me. I was sick, and you visited me. I was in prison, and you came to me.’
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:If Kronos can eat his children, why can't I? You can eat millions of children, really. You just have to work at getting them for a few minutes.
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Feb 26, 2017 04:11
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Shbobdb posted:We don't see the right drugs otc and because of the meth process, the other materials are harder and harder to get. Don't doubt American ingenuity. We'll make up for it with caffeine and saturated fats. 
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Feb 26, 2017 05:31
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Easy Salmon Recipe posted:You can eat millions of children, really. You just have to work at getting them for a few minutes. They're unborn, so we can't do that. Better to wait until they're in preschool, because the government doesn't give a poo poo about them then.
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Feb 26, 2017 06:32
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Leofish posted:Does this make Trump God or St. Peter if we follow this analogy full of Proper Nouns all the way through? What's that old saying about God being the only one to judge?
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Feb 26, 2017 08:02
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I thought you just had to accept Jesus in order to get into heaven right? You don't have to be saint. That doesn't sound like extreme vetting to me.
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Feb 26, 2017 08:25
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Kenzie posted:I thought you just had to accept Jesus in order to get into heaven right? You don't have to be saint. That doesn't sound like extreme vetting to me. It really depends on where in the bible you're looking, honestly.
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GyroNinja posted:It really depends on where in the bible you're looking, honestly. For beta bucks like these Protestant cucks, you know the answer. The real answer is that, if we want to entertain Christianity as a serious religion we need to look beyond its mere scriptures. However, when we do that things tend to get worse before they get better
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Kenzie posted:I thought you just had to accept Jesus in order to get into heaven right? You don't have to be saint. That doesn't sound like extreme vetting to me. was gonna post this lol, the CPAC Christians are fuckin' Puritans.
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Kenzie posted:I thought you just had to accept Jesus in order to get into heaven right? You don't have to be saint. That doesn't sound like extreme vetting to me. Watch the American Right switch over to a works-based philosophy of salvation, after a demented game of vigilante executions punctuated with accepting Jesus after each murder catches on nationwide. Conservative cops paralyzed by fear of sending a mass murderer to heaven. Just kidding, they'd probably see that as a great way to solve the [lefty / Muslim / black / etc] question.
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Some one post the Chick tract where a good person gets sent to hell for a plank second of doubt and a bad person gets sent to heaven for his death bed "I'm so sawrryyyy, help Jeezus" prayer.
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Feb 26, 2017 18:57
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So,how much are they pushing the narrative to keep dems infighting and losing?
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If Heaven has an all-powerful ruler everyone must bow down and worship daily, why can't America? e: PhazonLink posted:Some one post the Chick tract where a good person gets sent to hell for a plank second of doubt and a bad person gets sent to heaven for his death bed "I'm so sawrryyyy, help Jeezus" prayer. That's like at least half of all Chick tracts. The absolute worst one is Flight 144, in which a missionary couple is sent to Hell because they had the audacity to help third world citizens by building hospitals and schools, but didn't preach to them. Apparently somehow this missionary couple, who did believe in God, never prayed the magic words to get saved. I mean it's unbelievable. The couple even explicitly talks about how God helped them, and that God called them to help these people, but somehow they didn't actually do the "Forgive me Jesus" prayer. The tract would have made infinitely more sense if they were atheist humanitarians, but nope. Twelve by Pies fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Feb 26, 2017 |
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Kenzie posted:I thought you just had to accept Jesus in order to get into heaven right? You don't have to be saint. That doesn't sound like extreme vetting to me. Yeah, from my understanding it doesn't matter what denomination of Christianity you are talking about, it all boils down to John 3:16. Which would probably be the best troll response to that.
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DC Murderverse posted:What's that old saying about God being the only one to judge? They're equating God to the State. 
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Leofish posted:Does this make Trump God or St. Peter if we follow this analogy full of Proper Nouns all the way through? Kenzie posted:I thought you just had to accept Jesus in order to get into heaven right? You don't have to be saint. That doesn't sound like extreme vetting to me. Good response to this: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2017/02/32234.html
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crossposting from Trump admin thread, it's the Sunday RWM Roundup! I decided to put my editorializing later (note that nothing in the bulleted list reflects my own views)
1. What's hilarious is that in pretty much every other article on the news outlets I look at, they can't help slinging ad homs at liberals and saying they're hell-bent on destroying the USA because they hate the constitution, so it's been jarring in a lot of these articles to suddenly see them try to paint the more progressive elements of the left in a sympathetic light (with the aim of smearing the DNC.) What's sad is that it will probably work, I'm sure I'll hear my conservative acquaintances bring this up just like how one of them DROVE ME INTO A loving RAGE when he said Trump respected sexual assault survivors when he said survivors "have a right to be heard" at the debate (of course in an attempt to turn the debate into a circus by bringing Bill Clinton's victims.) These people can be such gullible assholish morons sometimes. 2. unless their opinions agree with ours in which case we elevate them to sainthood 3. OSHA?  Conservatives hate OSHA?! PS if you think we don't need OSHA pls read this: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=37638994. lol as if they would cede any power from the executive 5. the "he was just joking!" defense again! But otherwise not a completely insane take. Huh. (From http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445237/sweden-crime-rates-statistics-immigration-trump-fox-news )
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Chilichimp posted:was gonna post this 
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Twelve by Pies posted:That's like at least half of all Chick tracts. The absolute worst one is Flight 144, in which a missionary couple is sent to Hell because they had the audacity to help third world citizens by building hospitals and schools, but didn't preach to them. Apparently somehow this missionary couple, who did believe in God, never prayed the magic words to get saved. In a sense, I think Chick's message of ultimate salvation in the face of horrible, horrible crimes is supposed to be a beautiful thing that shows how powerful Jesus' forgiveness is, if you open your heart and soul to Him, but it comes across so tone-deaf sometimes. People like Chick and other hardline protestant evangelicals are so concerned for the destination of your immortal soul that they feel any kind of horribleness on Earth is just a temporary thing that you'll eventually overcome. What is a lifetime of emotional and mental pain versus an eternity in Hell?
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Leofish posted:In a sense, I think Chick's message of ultimate salvation in the face of horrible, horrible crimes is supposed to be a beautiful thing that shows how powerful Jesus' forgiveness is, if you open your heart and soul to Him, but it comes across so tone-deaf sometimes. People like Chick and other hardline protestant evangelicals are so concerned for the destination of your immortal soul that they feel any kind of horribleness on Earth is just a temporary thing that you'll eventually overcome. What is a lifetime of emotional and mental pain versus an eternity in Hell? No, American evangelicals are really just insane people with insane beliefs. You see it if you read a lot of Chick's things. Yes they do believe that if you ask for forgiveness and say the right words then you get forgiven and go to Heaven and everything is good and cool. However, they also believe that literally everything that disagrees with them in any way is a tool of the devil trying to lead you astray. While they do believe that they also believe that there are certain things you can do or say that taint you so badly forever that God won't let you in no matter what. Chick Tracts aren't even all that consistent; in the airplane one you really see this. Read more deeply and you'll see that the core message is "you must agree with the flavor of evangelical Christianity that I do 100% or you go to hell. 99.99% isn't enough. If you played D&D once or thought about about rock and roll ever you go to Hell." It's about using fear to control others wrapped in a shroud of "I just want people to go to Heaven! Is that too much to ask?" The eternal forgiveness and Jesus cares about you part is a sparkly, friendly wrapper around advocacy for brutal theocratic government.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:No, American evangelicals are really just insane people with insane beliefs. You see it if you read a lot of Chick's things. Yes they do believe that if you ask for forgiveness and say the right words then you get forgiven and go to Heaven and everything is good and cool. However, they also believe that literally everything that disagrees with them in any way is a tool of the devil trying to lead you astray. While they do believe that they also believe that there are certain things you can do or say that taint you so badly forever that God won't let you in no matter what. Chick Tracts aren't even all that consistent; in the airplane one you really see this. Read more deeply and you'll see that the core message is "you must agree with the flavor of evangelical Christianity that I do 100% or you go to hell. 99.99% isn't enough. If you played D&D once or thought about about rock and roll ever you go to Hell." It's about using fear to control others wrapped in a shroud of "I just want people to go to Heaven! Is that too much to ask?" The eternal forgiveness and Jesus cares about you part is a sparkly, friendly wrapper around advocacy for brutal theocratic government. It should probably also be noted that this brand of Evangelical crazy is being exported as fast as possible to developing nations. The kind of churches that require needy people to be sermonized before receiving aid. That uses more money on bibles and missionary trips than actually providing medicine, food, and water. And it's growing their numbers rapidly.
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^ They also been heavily investing in Africa and other places to make sure the anti LGBT laws are already set. Putting the anti-Gay wagon before the horse. Though now that Donnie won and Pence is in, thy might try moving money back here.
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Leofish posted:In a sense, I think Chick's message of ultimate salvation in the face of horrible, horrible crimes is supposed to be a beautiful thing that shows how powerful Jesus' forgiveness is, if you open your heart and soul to Him, but it comes across so tone-deaf sometimes. People like Chick and other hardline protestant evangelicals are so concerned for the destination of your immortal soul that they feel any kind of horribleness on Earth is just a temporary thing that you'll eventually overcome. What is a lifetime of emotional and mental pain versus an eternity in Hell? With hardline Protestants and Chick in particular, its is a direct attack on Catholicism. Via the concept of Purgatory, Catholicism states that any good person goes to Heaven eventually, but they spend time purifying their soul and repenting of their sins before they do so. Catholicism is essentially the best and easiest way to live a moral life and get to heaven, according to itself at least. These tracts are warning against such thinking, as to hardline Protestants "Salvation Through Grace Alone" is a big loving deal, because Jesus said "The only way to the Father is through Me" and their literal interpretations have to accept that at face value, or the house of cards starts collapsing. Chick especially saw the Catholic Church as a direct threat, and even the plane tract where the couple is some nondescript Protestant sect, is essentially an anti-Catholic story.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:With hardline Protestants and Chick in particular, its is a direct attack on Catholicism. Via the concept of Purgatory, Catholicism states that any good person goes to Heaven eventually, but they spend time purifying their soul and repenting of their sins before they do so. Catholicism is essentially the best and easiest way to live a moral life and get to heaven, according to itself at least. These tracts are warning against such thinking, as to hardline Protestants "Salvation Through Grace Alone" is a big loving deal, because Jesus said "The only way to the Father is through Me" and their literal interpretations have to accept that at face value, or the house of cards starts collapsing. Incidentally this is also why there are so drat many Protestant sects floating around among evangelicalism. You must get things 100% totally and completely right or you have fallen under the influence of Satan. Catholicism and non-evangelical Christianity have a far more lax view. There it's "get the biggest bits right and try to get everything else right. Apologize when you gently caress up, don't be a jerk, and you and God are cool." You're totally allowed to get things wrong and there is an understanding that you will. To an authoritarian that is far, far too permissive, which is why the religious right has fallen in so hard with the authoritarian right in America. They justify "we must force this on as many people as possible" with "because we're saving their souls and any price is worth it to avoid eternal damnation. It's eternal." So they argue incessantly over weirdly specific interpretations to try to suss out the meaning. Meanwhile this group thinks it means X while another thinks it means Y. Because eternal damnation is on the line neither side budgets, they both scream "HERETICS!!!!" at each other, and the congregation, denomination, or church splits. It's so bad that there are literally tiny congregations of a few dozen people that believe absolutely everybody else is going to Hell while they, and only they, believe what is True and Right. They band together politically and tend to distribute the same bullshit literature (for example, Chick Tracts) while also being unbelievably fractured.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Incidentally this is also why there are so drat many Protestant sects floating around among evangelicalism. You must get things 100% totally and completely right or you have fallen under the influence of Satan. Catholicism and non-evangelical Christianity have a far more lax view. There it's "get the biggest bits right and try to get everything else right. Apologize when you gently caress up, don't be a jerk, and you and God are cool." You're totally allowed to get things wrong and there is an understanding that you will. To an authoritarian that is far, far too permissive, which is why the religious right has fallen in so hard with the authoritarian right in America. They justify "we must force this on as many people as possible" with "because we're saving their souls and any price is worth it to avoid eternal damnation. It's eternal." So they argue incessantly over weirdly specific interpretations to try to suss out the meaning. Meanwhile this group thinks it means X while another thinks it means Y. Because eternal damnation is on the line neither side budgets, they both scream "HERETICS!!!!" at each other, and the congregation, denomination, or church splits. It's so bad that there are literally tiny congregations of a few dozen people that believe absolutely everybody else is going to Hell while they, and only they, believe what is True and Right. That was what turned me off of Christianity as a kid, initially. I grew up in a family where the religious people believe that, basically, the only their church, and a couple of other little rural churches around the continental US are "correct" enough to get to heaven, and everyone else is sinful. Even as a kid, the idea that all but about 100 people on the planet currently were going to burn in eternal hellfire for poo poo like cutting their hair if women, or not wearing long sleeves if men, horrified me. Well, that, and they're the "no TV, no movies, no non-christian movies" type of fundie. If there is a God, and he is infinitely compassionate, then he didn't begrudge me my tape player and little plastic case full of Weird Al cassettes. 
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