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loquacius posted:The only thing resembling a "bone" the Democratic Party has thrown its left wing in decades was creating a leadership position for Bernie that basically translates to "popular guy who gets us free PR by campaigning all the time and is not actually heeded w/r/t strategy or policy in any substantial way" Being deranged and crazy is what got that place made in the first place, so it seems par for the course.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:effectronica, the whitest motherfucker ever, keeps buying those for people tbf Manchin does not really occupy a position of strength in the democratic party. Byrd he is not.
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Yinlock posted:he assigned ellison as deputy chair so who cares And it's not like Perez ran away with it on the first round of voting.
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Gringostar posted:so the person that takes david brocks money and is enforced by centrist corporate dems won and the person that takes david brocks money and is enforced by centrist corporate dems won vice chair what brock is cookin
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Former Everything posted:Yeah, this was definitely a personal slight by some dems against other dems and that isn't a whacked out thought process at all no sirreee Have you gotten involved with your state parties at all recently? Like half the stuff they are up to is literal explicit slights against the left, who they see as the biggest threat in the current political environment and really want to go away
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Yinlock posted:he assigned ellison as deputy chair so who cares was deputy chair a thing before or was it another made-up thing to make people stop asking them for stuff like Bernie's "leadership" position
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I don't want to mitigate the call for running for local offices, but it's clear the left needs national ambitions and move towards getting at least some non-Dem congressional representatives in 2018. We won't get anywhere if we can't successfully beat the Democrats.
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paranoid randroid posted:part of the problem people have is interpreting literally everything as a personal slight Look at the statements that came from Howard Dean, Barney Frank, DWS, etc. during the primary and tell me it wasn't very personal for them to stop any support for Sanders or any possible imprint he could have on the party. I'm not even pinning that on Clinton herself, I think she was semi-sympathetic but ultimately cowardly and lacking cognition of the real troubles of American life, but no, the establishment outright has an agenda. I mean, look at the entire foundation of the super-delegates, which is to not allow total power to the constituency. That's the kind of respect the DNC has to their own.
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etalian posted:Democrats:There was a guy that looked like Sheldon Cooper from big bang theory and his name was Pete Butt Today we are all Pete Butt.
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GlyphGryph posted:Have you gotten involved with your state parties at all recently?
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tadashi posted:And it's not like Perez ran away with it on the first round of voting. exactly there's interest there and ellison being made deputy shows a genuine progressive desire, you just need to foster it instead of running away immediately
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I really just want to emphasize this:MizPiz posted:We won't get anywhere if we can't successfully beat the Democrats.
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paranoid randroid posted:well yeah man, youre not going to do much shaking as DNC chair ding ding ding as a former florida progressive, it tore me up deep inside watching Ellison torpedo the progressive attempt to take over the Florida DNC, and watching idiots make excuses for that convinced me that the "Bernie wing" has forgotten actual progressivism and is just playing team sports now
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Acelerion posted:Lol dems haven't learned anything lolling at the optimists who thought a Trump defeat would cause them any serious reflection and change of strategy.
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MizPiz posted:I really just want to emphasize this: oh right im trying to reason with the dem thread its me, im the dumbass
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Yinlock posted:exactly  there's hard resistance from the fiscal-conservative social-liberal-unless-when-it-hurts-our-hedge-funds collaborators though
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Probably Magic posted:Look at the statements that came from Howard Dean, Barney Frank, DWS, etc. during the primary and tell me it wasn't very personal for them to stop any support for Sanders or any possible imprint he could have on the party. And that is his own fault. He still won't even become a memebr of the party.
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tadashi posted:And it's not like Perez ran away with it on the first round of voting. nah, him being elected by a narrow as gently caress margin and then immediately appointing the runner up vice chair means progressives will have zero loving voice in the party moving forward
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I mean if getting god drat donald trump elected has not encourged a little introspection I don't know what to say to these people
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GlyphGryph posted:Have you gotten involved with your state parties at all recently? Not even Kentucky's dem party is acting like this and the false martyrdom by those who take literally everything as a personal sight to their ideology is tiresome Even Kentucky's dem party recognizes that Donald trump and the suicide caucus as the biggest threat to progressive ideology As is apparent from this thread, you can't say the same thing for the "leftists" in this thread who believe that Tom "friend of labor" Perez getting elected ducking DNC chair is the dem party establishment spitting in their face. It's an unhealthy delusion.
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Hey Keith Ellison is Vice Chairman, lets hold him accountable!
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etalian posted:Democrats:There was a guy that looked like Sheldon Cooper from big bang theory and his name was Pete Butt
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breaklaw posted:And that is his own fault. He still won't even become a memebr of the party. Is this a joke, I'm tired and jetlagged and I took a red-eye last night and it seems like it should be a joke but maybe it isn't
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perez probably would have run away with it in the first round if he hadn't been telling folks he had it in the bag. reminder that ellison's vote count literally didn't budge between rounds - everyone who was left over essentially went to perez. there's some solace to be found in the total number ellison was able to get, but you definitely had folks choosing to vote for someone else initially for likely political optics purposes.
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breaklaw posted:And that is his own fault. He still won't even become a memebr of the party. A party so proud of its lovely brand that it refuses the followers of a candidate because he didn't put a D next to his name, which he didn't do to begin with because the Vermont DNC was running candidates to the right of him, hmmm.
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Main Paineframe posted:ding ding ding seriously, it's real baffling watching 1 of 2 almost identical candidates win and having that be a disaster because the one who won wasn't endorsed by bernie sanders
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Main Paineframe posted:ding ding ding you're fine with perez you don't get a high horse lol
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Yinlock posted:seriously, it's real baffling watching 1 of 2 almost identical candidates win and having that be a disaster because the one who won wasn't endorsed by bernie sanders *dips fingers into basin of bernie cum* *makes sign of cross*
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Main Paineframe posted:The Sanders wing may be vocal, but it's not really "sizable". The Ellison vs Perez fight is usually portrayed as though the Dems were formerly a single entity that has been split in two, but that was never the case. The Dems are a big tent with dozens of factions, groups, movements, and wings of voters. The core Sanders base isn't the second-largest or even the third-largest faction under the Democratic umbrella, and they weren't even close to being the most important factor in the result of the 2016 elections. Each of the establishment candidates in the DNC race was chosen because the establishment thought they would appeal to demographics that the Dems have been losing lately. :thinking face emoji:
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loquacius posted:Is this a joke, I'm tired and jetlagged and I took a red-eye last night and it seems like it should be a joke but maybe it isn't 80s democrat: "hrm no racism and corporatism is the future and we have to pivot towards that for the foreseeable future" *80s bernie frowns, sighs, and leaves*
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Yinlock posted:oh right im trying to reason with the dem thread You're a canadian
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