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Main Paineframe posted:Just because someone voted for Bernie over Clinton doesn't mean they're guaranteed to vote for whoever Bernie endorses. Some of Bernie's supporters were diehards who worship the ground he walks on, of course, but others were people who just liked his message more than Hillary's - and the latter group is far more important to the Dems right now than the former. As long as they get someone with the right message, policies, and priorities, whether or not he gets the Bernie endorsement isn't that important. Yes, if there's one thing the current Dem party is known for, it's ideological purity.
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Yinlock posted:lol why do i bother tbf perez literally trotted out the "gets things done" line
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Schnorkles posted:Who's the best example of an out and out hard progressive winning in a very conservative environment? corbyn in british labour, kind of he later turned out to be insane in a different direction though
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Schnorkles posted:Who's the best example of an out and out hard progressive winning in a very conservative environment? Not even joking, really
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:Buttigieg. Is South Bend really that conservative? I was under the impressive it was fairly liberal as a city.
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i was pretty apathetic about the dem chair thing but i knew the meltdowns would be p good if perez won and i'm definitely not disappointed so far
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Oh Snapple! posted:tbf perez literally trotted out the "gets things done" line Every time I hear "progressive who gets things done," it's always by someone who's done far less than Ralph Nader ever has.
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Oh Snapple! posted:to be absolutely fair, i did find myself incredibly disappointed with ellison a few times during this whole mess (the stuff MP mentioned) and I essentially told myself that this was stuff he had to do due to the nature of this specific vote. I'll even contend that this likely would have been settled on round 1 if he'd done differently on any single one of those things. Yeah it's weird, it's like Ellison was the actual compromise candidate the progressives were willing to settle for and they couldn't even get that lol
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Fallen Hamprince posted:i was pretty apathetic about the election but i knew the meltdowns would be p good if trump won and i'm definitely not disappointed so far
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Oh Snapple! posted:tbf perez literally trotted out the "gets things done" line that's true, i'm not arguing that either candidate was a particularly shining example but they're trying which is still 100x better than dws
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Schnorkles posted:Is South Bend really that conservative? I was under the impressive it was fairly liberal as a city.
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Schnorkles posted:Who's the best example of an out and out hard progressive winning in a very conservative environment? donald "j" trump
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Perfect Potato posted:Yeah it's weird, it's like Ellison was the actual compromise candidate the progressives were willing to settle for and they couldn't even get that lol
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The kiss of death. Democrats are screwed in 2018 and 2020. https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/835612427312054276
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Cinnamon Bear posted:Are we betting yet on how bad the democrats manage to lose in 2018 and 2020? To be perfectly honest, I think that will be less from this chairman election and more from assuming America gives a gently caress about Russia.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:Not particularly. His edge was that he is a populist who was running against a GOP establishment type. huh, tmyk. mormonpartyboat posted:donald "j" trump "but what if donald trump is actually more liberal than hillary?" *hits bong*
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Perfect Potato posted:Yeah it's weird, it's like Ellison was the actual compromise candidate the progressives were willing to settle for and they couldn't even get that lol More or less. I said this earlier but people keep forgetting that a lot of the ire directed at Perez isn't due to him having the gall to run or anything like that - it's over him very blatantly running at Obama's request for no other reason than to try to deny a win for the leftists and to assert control. And this was also the basis of pretty much all the opposition I saw against Keith - well, that and the islamaphobic bullshit. Ellison was, all things considered, a savvy compromise pick for a party dependent on coalition building who likely would have done a good job.
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Probably Magic posted:Yes, if there's one thing the current Dem party is known for, it's ideological purity. They don't have to match Bernie's message exactly. They just have to figure out what about it appealed to the demographics they want, and try to trim out the bits that didn't appeal to the demographics he lost. They don't care about Sanders diehards, but they'd really like to pick up the factory workers he attracted
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mormonpartyboat posted:donald "j" trump that's not untrue
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I have a question, why does everyone who's been posting " they're the same person, calm down, not everything is a personal slight against you " think Perez was encouraged to run and endorsed by the Obama camp after Ellison had already enteredIf they are so identical, why did Perez run at all, and why did The Establishment prefer him
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Oh Snapple! posted:More or less. and he's deupty chair, so they've shown that they're willing to work with him and by extension bernie which is why i don't get this level of outrage, like i can see being bummed but this genuine fury is weird
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Main Paineframe posted:They don't have to match Bernie's message exactly. They just have to figure out what about it appealed to the demographics they want, and try to trim out the bits that didn't appeal to the demographics he lost. They don't care about Sanders diehards, but they'd really like to pick up the factory workers he attracted All they've talked about is how Putin is inside our house, how in any way does that appeal to people who are struggling to pay Obamacare premiums?
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loquacius posted:I have a question, why does everyone who's been posting " because obama journeyed to mars as a psychic teenager and met time traveling aliens who impregnated his brain with illuminati space jew controls
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loquacius posted:I have a question, why does everyone who's been posting " to keep Dershowitz in the party, of course
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:Not particularly. His edge was that he is a populist who was running against a GOP establishment type. His... butt edge edge.
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seriously lol @ the worst of all possible worlds and kristol cursing you and trump mocking butigeig was your only hope
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Yinlock posted:so are we ignoring the whole deputy chair thing, pretty sure that's giving the slightest bit of power So the dnc is powerless and ceremonial, but the deputy chair is a sizable power offer to respect
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loquacius posted:I have a question, why does everyone who's been posting " because the 2016 election was decided by Midwestern factory workers, who like Perez It's super obvious, if you're ready to admit that maybe not everything is a sinister conspiracy to take down anti-establishment crusaders like Chuck Schumer and the AFL-CIO
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Yinlock posted:and he's deupty chair, so they've shown that they're willing to work with him and by extension bernie "They're willing to give him a position below the position they said is utterly meaningless and inconsequential, so how can you say they aren't taking the progressive wing seriously?"
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Yinlock posted:and he's deupty chair, so they've shown that they're willing to work with him and by extension bernie I have a negative enough view of the people involved that it's v. easy for me to see the move as the obama camp saying "you'll have whatever voice we decide to give you" on the plus side it's a savvier move than hillary's camp was ever capabale of making
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I think the worst part of climate change is that it means Balgoon doesn't have to melt the ice off his DSL link as often.
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Probably Magic posted:All they've talked about is how Putin is inside our house, how in any way does that appeal to people who are struggling to pay Obamacare premiums? The Russians!!! We're still a nation that hasn't gotten over McCarthyism.
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Main Paineframe posted:because the 2016 election was decided by Midwestern factory workers, who like Perez They also like Ellison  "Ellison and Perez are identical except the working class only likes one of them" is a nonsensical stance
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Baloogan posted:dick suckin lips stay unfrosty :bigtran:
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Ace of Baes posted:Centerists chuckle smugly as their faction of the party continues to plunge America into apocalyptic darkness through sheer cluelessness and incompetence. all they care about is rich progressive donors like Goldman Sachs and Exxon funnelling paychecks into their bank accounts
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Hilario Baldness posted:The Russians!!! I mean, Putin is a thug, sure, but Hillary refused to call out Erdogan or Saudia Arabia during the presidential debates, so it's not like the DNC operates from a higher ground when it comes to authoritarians.
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