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Probably Magic posted:All they've talked about is how Putin is inside our house, how in any way does that appeal to people who are struggling to pay Obamacare premiums?
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Former Everything posted:Not even Kentucky's dem party is acting like this and the false martyrdom by those who take literally everything as a personal sight to their ideology is tiresome Errr... do you have an actual mental handicap? "Not even"? Kentucky is one of the states that has a clear and present motivation not to act like this. It's mostly the blue states that have the mentality that loving the left is their topmost priority even here under the Trump administration. Leftists are not any sort of real threat to party leadership in red states.
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I voted butt bong.
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Probably Magic posted:All they've talked about is how Putin is inside our house, how in any way does that appeal to people who are struggling to pay Obamacare premiums? tbh I'm still surprised Hillary's millenial team didn't grace us with a tweet telling us that putin is in our fridge, eatin' our foodz
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Like if you had said "not even New York" that might have meant something but you used loving Kentucky lmao
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Uncle Wemus posted:for a few glorious moments this thread moved as fast as the trump thread
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Picking Perez over another progressive that would have gone a long way towards fixing growing rifts in the party, for a largely symbolic position, just to soothe the egos of the same people who have been in charge for all the other gently caress ups is the Dems in a nutshell. Endless unforced errors due to the constant need to suck off the Sabins of the world is why they are losing elections to huge morons. There is not an argument anywhere that I've seen that Perez would actually be best at the job. His campaign for this position has had him constantly making GBS threads his pants every week or two by saying something dumb, inviting lobbyists to his no lobbyist campaign functions, poo poo like that. Having a DNC head prone to randomly blurting out that the Dem primary was rigged into a microphone seems like a poor fit for the position. Maybe he is a swell guy irl and likes labor rights a lot but his election clearly has nothing to do with him at all.
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Hint: Hillarymans managed and still manage be wrong about everything. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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GlyphGryph posted:Errr... do you have an actual mental handicap? Ugh you don't believe that i and others are being persecuted and spit upon by the dem party because of Tom Perez being dnc chair and Keith Ellison being deputy chair wow you sure are retarded - a rational poster
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loquacius posted:They also like Ellison Obviously the Dems thought they thought the working class would like Perez more, at the cost of Bernie diehards liking him less, which they deemed to be an acceptable trade-off C'mon, I shouldn't have to walk you through something this easy
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Former Everything posted:Ugh you don't believe that i and others are being persecuted and spit upon by the dem party because of Tom Perez being dnc chair and Keith Ellison being deputy chair wow you sure are retarded hey could you answer my question or are you too busy with your foolproof "durr durr this is you durrrr" argument
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Main Paineframe posted:Obviously the Dems thought they thought the working class would like Perez more, at the cost of Bernie diehards liking him less, which they deemed to be an acceptable trade-off that's not obvious at all, but points for condescension sure
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Former Everything posted:Ugh you don't believe that i and others are being persecuted and spit upon by the dem party because of Tom Perez being dnc chair and Keith Ellison being deputy chair wow you sure are retarded You have no right to comment on other people's rationality when you insist the DNC chair is a meaningless position yet we should be grateful that Ellison is the deputy chair.
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MizPiz posted:You have no right to comment on other people's rationality when you insist the DNC chair is a meaningless position yet we should be grateful that Ellison is the deputy chair. Good thing I didn't do that lol
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These people with their infinite political talents lost to Trump. I'm sure they have the pulse of the party's base and a plan for victory.
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Buttigieg says: Its pronounced Boot-edge-edge... Oh for Christ sakes. Just call me Pete.
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loquacius posted:hey could you answer my question or are you too busy with your foolproof "durr durr this is you durrrr" argument What was your question to me?
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"Hillary Clinton is an amazing politician who everybody loves and is very popular for a reason and is a master debate and rhetorician and is going to trounce Trump with all her amazing oppo research." These same people, later: "Trust me, working class people are going to like Perez a lot more than they ever would Ellison."
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Former Everything posted:What was your question to me? loquacius posted:I have a question, why does everyone who's been posting " So far all I've got is "factory workers, as a bloc, like him better" without elaborating on why or providing evidence (perhaps a subtle racism allusion???)
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they're the same person, calm down, not everything is a personal slight against you
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loquacius posted:I have a question, why does everyone who's been posting "
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logikv9 posted:A buttigieg victory woulf have placated all sides long enough for the purges to proceed beyond any hope of stopping them
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The Establishment was all over the place this election imo Noted non-establishment figure chuck Schumer
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Tom Perez said that Bernie only does well among young white liberals, I'm sure he understands how to get this party in a direction where it can accept identity politics and class politics at the same time instead of resorting to the same arbitrary wedge between the two as before.
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loquacius posted:that's not obvious at all, but points for condescension sure Well, I guess there's two options here A) Perez was their last-ditch attempt to prevent the unstoppable leftist insurgency, headed by notorious anti-establishment crusaders like Chuck Schumer, from handing a minor fundraising position to the tiny socialist minority who are heavily outnumbered in both Congress and the DNC B) the Dem establishment noticed that a number of demographics flipped or underperformed in the election, and while they all agreed generally on the need for a progressive candidate, there were disagreements on which demographics it was most important to tailor their message toward and how effective different progressives would be at appealing to different demographics, so different establishment figures pushed different progressive candidates
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GlyphGryph posted:Like if you had said "not even New York" that might have meant something but you used loving Kentucky lmao Wait, Kentucky is centrist dem central and has recently had dem governor and dem house control. How the gently caress would Kentucky's dem party (which again is centrist as gently caress and resistant to overly progressive policies to the point that Alison's Grimes ran from every single one of Obamas progressive positions during the last senate election) be result accepting of super progressive full socialism now positions to the point where t would be literally retarded to imagine that the state party would be threatened by them at all. Holy poo poo are you up your own rear end.
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Hot take: the Obama/Clinton camp doesn't actually hate the Sanders bloc for ideological purposes, they hate them because they're a different group of people. It's 100% a petty power squabble. Hence: Perez. "Sure, you can have a labor guy, but he has to be our labor guy because We Run Barter Town."
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Probably Magic posted:"Hillary Clinton is an amazing politician who everybody loves and is very popular for a reason and is a master debate and rhetorician and is going to trounce Trump with all her amazing oppo research."
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loquacius posted:So far all I've got is "factory workers, as a bloc, like him better" without elaborating on why or providing evidence (perhaps a subtle racism allusion???) So your question is If both candidates are fine why did Perez even bother to run against Ellison? The gently caress kind to of question is that. I never asserted they were the same person, just that they were both fine candidates. I don't have to answer for a position I never took, for fucks sake.
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Former Everything posted:Holy poo poo are you up your own rear end. 
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Can't believe people itt are devastated that their David brockian bank shill lost to another David brockian banking shill
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loquacius posted:Hot take: the Obama/Clinton camp doesn't actually hate the Sanders bloc for ideological purposes, they hate them because they're a different group of people. It's 100% a petty power squabble. When your argument begins with (and relies entirely on) the premise that one camp hates your camp and that the hatred directs all of their decision making, it all wraps up in a neat little bow I guess.
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loquacius posted:I have a question, why does everyone who's been posting " Because Perez has a history of cooperating with the establishment wing and has proven himself to be tractable in this very same election. I'm not upset that Perez won, and I'm pleased that they realized they can't afford to completely snub the progressives and put Ellison on as deputy chair, I'm just upset that this is going to unnecessarily annoy a lot of riled up progressives. And I think this will eventually cost a lot of the establishment wing Democrats their jobs, because the message being sent here is, clear as day, "We are in charge here and you must recognize that." But there's no actual establishment enthusiasm! The people cheering on the centrists are all smug, contemptuous shills like Fulchrum or JeffersonClay. You can't rile up popular support like that. And the progressives are being told, incredibly clearly, that if they want to take charge of the party's direction, they can't afford to try to cooperate with the centrists. They have to actively vote out the centrists and replace them with progressives. The centrists absolutely will not concede power on their own. Feinstein is doomed. The progressive takeover has already happened in California. If Perez's truly sincere about returning to the grassroots development approach, and with Ellison working alongside him I can't see why he wouldn't be, then that means there's going to be a shitload of young progressives, in their late 20s and 30s, suddenly swelling into local and state seats. They won't stand for more bad behavior from loyalists. Deep fried cheese curds, to go, please.
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logikv9 posted:Can't believe people itt are devastated that their David brockian bank shill lost to another David brockian banking shill buttigieg 2020: senator of illinois buttigieg 2026: working with german government to ensure smooth transition of power to an EU/Chinese interim government from Putin's Fourth Reich after the second american civil war that led to the third world war buttigieg 2028: presidency
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loquacius posted:Hot take: the Obama/Clinton camp doesn't actually hate the Sanders bloc for ideological purposes, they hate them because they're a different group of people. It's 100% a petty power squabble. Bad dems fear the Bernie bloc since if the Bernie bloc is successful the donor class will get a much harder life especially if they actually get locked up in jail for their economic crimes.
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i am very excited about buttigiegs presidential campaign in 30 years time though!
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Main Paineframe posted:A) Perez was their last-ditch attempt to prevent the unstoppable leftist insurgency, headed by notorious anti-establishment crusaders like Chuck Schumer, from handing a minor fundraising position to the tiny socialist minority who are heavily outnumbered in both Congress and the DNC Option A) is a ridiculous strawman, and option B) is a whole lot of weasel words postulating the existence of a debate that there sure didn't seem to be any public evidence of. All the arguments anyone ever made in favor of Perez were about how he is a Team Player who Plays For His Team, not anything about focus groups or demographics or whatever. My actual opinion is of course neither of those, it's that it was all a petty power squabble and it's kind of disheartening how it turned out Former Everything posted:So your question is No, my question is the thing I said  I'll paraphrase since apparently the original wording was too hard for you: if there is no power struggle here, and no ideological difference even, why did The Establishment bother putting one of their guys in the mix at all
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Former Everything posted:When your argument begins with (and relies entirely on) the premise that one camp hates your camp and that the hatred directs all of their decision making, it all wraps up in a neat little bow I guess. so have you read twitter in the last year or
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Maybe you can tell me in this thread more about how centrist dems are fascist. After screaming "Manchin" real loud in the trump thread didn't work, I didn't hear back from you.
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