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3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

ToxicSlurpee posted:

I like Windows because I can just slap together my PC

:lol::laffo::lol: at not just byuing a factory-made PC from the supermarket I mean gosh darn it's 2017.

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CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



ToxicSlurpee posted:

I like Windows because I can just slap together my PC, install Windows on it, and then that's it! It's a working computer! Windows isn't perfect but I don't want to invest all the time in wrangling a Linux box to working properly. I swear that involves dark rituals and goat sacrifices to the Great Torvalds if what people tell me is any indication.

That being said...if I ever had to put a server of some sort together then Linux. Microsoft's server software is impressively bad.

It's funny you say that, because for several years now I've found the opposite to be true. My Linux installs have been quicker and less frustrating than dealing with either Windows 7 or Windows 10, especially on older hardware.

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer

Jerry Cotton posted:

I remember when Ubuntu was good and better than the Windows of the time. 5.10 or something like that?

Feb, 2017

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

I've generally been happy to run Linux/FreeBSD on servers and at work and then come home to game and the like on windows. I still do, but the amount of random issues with windows has been steadily increasing. It doesn't help that Win10 through some problem with settings sync silently moved my desktop from stable to the fast insider ring some weeks while ago; I really should fix that.

Still, just small things like how it keeps re-adding the English/US keyboard keyboard layout and setting it as default reminds me of problems I used to have on Linux, as does the way explorer on the gaming PC freezes for 30 seconds when I try to see the list of audio output devices.

The two arguments for windows have always been "it's easier" and "it runs everything" - the latter is still true, but I'm no longer entirely sure that it's less annoying to maintain.

Computer viking has a new favorite as of 00:11 on Feb 26, 2017

azurite
Jul 25, 2010

Strange, isn't it?!


I know it's a crapshoot and totally depends on your hardware, but throwing Fedora in a fairly recent Thinkpad is a helluva lot easier than installing Windows 7 (what it's licensed for). I realize 10 improves on the device driver nightmare quite a bit, so that might not be a fair comparison.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


I skippes Vista so YMMV but XP seemed to be where I had the most issues.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Fuuuuuuck shut up about Linux already you nerds

stuffed crust punk
Oct 8, 2004

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Uh oh the thread went to the negative zone

SimplyCosmic
May 18, 2004

It could be worse.

Not sure how, but it could be.
If we're talking operating systems in tech-relics, shouldn't we be talking OS/2 Warp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmxabyk0S2M

or BeOS?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsVydyC8ZGQ

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug
Joke's on you guys, I'm still posting on a 486 running DOS.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

It was kinda neat to install/demo BeOS PE on my machine when it existed. First non-MS OS I ever played around with.

Boot Magazine brought Linux to my attention, and I managed to later get Red Hat it to run on my machine, but my stars was X ever ugly. I can't blame people for installing Mint just to have a desktop that doesn't look like cobbled-together garbage.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Kelp Me! posted:

Why are you relics talking about relics in this, the relic thread I can't stand it :qq:

SLOSifl
Aug 10, 2002


BeOS was so exciting at the time. I had every intel release and used them for a few hours each. I don't think I ever had properly working sound or networking, but did get GPU acceleration with some internal driver one of the devs sent me go I had teapots like a mofo.

Around that time I was also into skinning Windows to look like other things. Litestep as other have mentioned, Windowblinds for OS chrome, etc. In a cool and potentially license infringing feature (had it picked up any market share) BeOS had a hidden menu that let you pick skins like Windows, MacOS 7-8ish, and Amiga. I think I posted that before so maybe I am the relic idk.

But those slidable tabs were so cool, if kind of dumb. Sure you could make pseudo-tabbed windows but you had to actually move the tabs manually.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

I wonder if MenuetOS is still around...

e: Well gently caress me in the rear end: http://menuetos.net/

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Jerry Cotton posted:

I wonder if MenuetOS is still around...

e: Well gently caress me in the rear end: http://menuetos.net/

I downloaded that several years ago and ran it for a few minutes. Then I thought "why would I ever use this?"

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Why do you use any computer? You should stop in my honest opinion.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

:lol: if you aren't running TempleOS on your daily driver



Wikipedia posted:

Development for TempleOS began in 2003 after Davis suffered from a series of manic episodes that left him briefly hospitalized for mental health issues.[1][4]

Davis is a former atheist who believes that he can "talk with God" and that God told him the operating system he built was God's official temple. According to Davis TempleOS is of 'Divine' intellect due to the inspired nature of the code. According to Davis, God said to create the operating system with 640x480, 16 colors display and a single audio voice. The operating system was coded in a programming language developed by Davis in C/C++ called "HolyC". The OS runs a file system called "Red Sea".[2]

...

TempleOS deliberately has no network support. It runs 8-bit ASCII with graphics in source code and has a 2D and 3D graphics library, which run at 640x480 VGA with 16 colors.[2]

The OS contains numerous embedded biblical references including a program called AfterEgypt which allows users to "communicate with God" through an oracle.[5]

SLOSifl
Aug 10, 2002


Jerry Cotton posted:

Why do you use any computer? You should stop in my honest opinion.
Um but I just got my adlib card to work in Willy Beamish.

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

JazzmasterCurious posted:

I used Central Point Desktop for Win 3.1 back in the day.

:yossame:

I also tried Norton Desktop and XTree for Windows, but somehow always ended up going back to plain Program Manager and File Manager with maybe some minor extra shareware tools. I can't remember why, maybe the desktop replacements were too much for my 386 with 4MB RAM?

I think I used the Central Point one for longer because I was a PCTools fanboi.

Jerry Cotton posted:

My main issue with Windows is that it's a bloated mess because I really don't like buying new hardware like, ever. Now that basically all Linuxes are bloated messes as well, only without sound, Windows is sub-optimal but OK I guess.

#notalllinuxes

Posting from a 10 year old Core 2 Duo machine running Linux here. Okay it was a decent server in its day and Firefox is a bit slow on it now, but its fine otherwise. I did upgrade from 2 to 8GB RAM though.

ToxicSlurpee posted:

Joke's on you guys, I'm still posting on a 486 running DOS.

I'm jealous. Lucky Radium isn't here though or he'd ban you (he did the ban for using WebTV right?).

Three-Phase
Aug 5, 2006

by zen death robot

Powered Descent posted:

:lol: if you aren't running TempleOS on your daily driver



Wow I was just about to ask about "that crazy weird OS" thanks for posting this.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

I mean now I need to try out Bomber Golf.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



If we're going to mention weird operating systems, I've been aware of this one for a while but never done more than check out their website:

https://www.reactos.org/

Intent is to provide an open source Windows-equivalent that can run Windows software. Maybe I'll try running it in a VM at some point for shits and giggles, but I haven't felt motivated to so far.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


So this week I've been working on un-loving a computer for an old family friend. The poor fella has alzheimer's and has been calling me each afternoon to come over and fix the computer. Each phone call I have to remind him that I already have his HDD and already working on it. Anyway today I finished work on it and as a gift he gave me a PCI sound card. Who the hell still has those?

CaptainSarcastic posted:

If we're going to mention weird operating systems, I've been aware of this one for a while but never done more than check out their website:

https://www.reactos.org/

Intent is to provide an open source Windows-equivalent that can run Windows software. Maybe I'll try running it in a VM at some point for shits and giggles, but I haven't felt motivated to so far.

ReactOS is quite interesting, I've tried it with limited success but I wish the devs well and hope they get it stable.

B.H. Facials
May 9, 2011

"Getting teased is part of growing up. It's no big deal. Just tell yourself, 'Sticks and stones may break my bones, but a .44 Magnum will tear that bully a new asshole!'"
Was at my parents recently and found my Dad's old Zenith MinisPort and everything that goes along with it except for the 2" floppies. I didn't get a chance to see if it still works. Maybe next time.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Humphreys posted:

So this week I've been working on un-loving a computer for an old family friend. The poor fella has alzheimer's and has been calling me each afternoon to come over and fix the computer. Each phone call I have to remind him that I already have his HDD and already working on it. Anyway today I finished work on it and as a gift he gave me a PCI sound card. Who the hell still has those?

Sounds to me like you need to build up a box to play Wing Commander. Time to defend the Tiger's Claw against some Kilrathi!

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

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Humphreys posted:

as a gift he gave me a PCI sound card. Who the hell still has those?

There was a very long period in my life were the most sophisticated piece of hardware in my computer was a SoundBlaster PCI 128.

It was so good compared to my previous audio hardware (a generic ISA something or other) that games ran at a noticably higher framerate after installing it.

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

CaptainSarcastic posted:

If we're going to mention weird operating systems, I've been aware of this one for a while but never done more than check out their website:

https://www.reactos.org/

Intent is to provide an open source Windows-equivalent that can run Windows software. Maybe I'll try running it in a VM at some point for shits and giggles, but I haven't felt motivated to so far.

Last time I had a play with it, it didn't support 16-bit executables, so I couldn't install all the old software I wanted to try which had 16-bit installer stubs even though the software itself was 32-bit.

I would love to be able to do Windows stuff without all of the bloat and licensing poo poo of actual Windows though. When I tried it, the install .iso was less than 100MB I think, and it could still run some programs.

Humphreys posted:

he gave me a PCI sound card. Who the hell still has those?

Well I haven't bought a sound card in a long time, so me. I don't even know what the cool kids do these days, can you get PCIe sound cards? I just use onboard sound, although I do have a kind-of-good-when-it-came-out-last-decade PCI card somewhere, but why bother plugging it in? :shrug:

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


Jerry Cotton posted:

:lol::laffo::lol: at not just byuing a factory-made PC from the supermarket I mean gosh darn it's 2017.

lol at not using the first case you ever got to house every pc you've owned. '95-era beige box w/modern hardware for gaming hell yeah

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Grand Prize Winner posted:

lol at not using the first case you ever got to house every pc you've owned. '95-era beige box w/modern hardware for gaming hell yeah

Gotta love dremeling the case to fit those GPUs

stuffed crust punk
Oct 8, 2004

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Powered Descent posted:

:lol: if you aren't running TempleOS on your daily driver



This guy's visit to yospos is easily one of my favorite SA History type things

E: the templeos/losethos author not powered descent

A Pinball Wizard
Mar 23, 2005

I know every trick, no freak's gonna beat my hands

College Slice
Neither Windows nor Linux is a tech relic, much as we might wish.

Buttcoin purse posted:

Last time I had a play with it, it didn't support 16-bit executables, so I couldn't install all the old software I wanted to try which had 16-bit installer stubs even though the software itself was 32-bit.

I would love to be able to do Windows stuff without all of the bloat and licensing poo poo of actual Windows though. When I tried it, the install .iso was less than 100MB I think, and it could still run some programs.
That "bloat" is the parts of the OS that do things like running 16 bit software and 64 bit software and modern sound and video cards and hard drives and etc. Seriously, tell me what you consider to be "bloat" in a modern OS.

B.H. Facials posted:

Was at my parents recently and found my Dad's old Zenith MinisPort and everything that goes along with it except for the 2" floppies. I didn't get a chance to see if it still works. Maybe next time.

My dad had one of those, he let me write an essay on it for school. Those little floppy disks seemed so futuristic to kid me!

klugman
Jan 28, 2009

Powered Descent posted:

:lol: if you aren't running TempleOS on your daily driver



love the 'App Store'. MegaMan in TempleOS--living the dream.

Skoll
Jul 26, 2013

Oh You'll Love My Toxic Love
Grimey Drawer
We're moving to a new house soon and I was digging some stuff out from the forgotten corners of a closet.. I found this relic.



It's a Sony Dual-Band CM-B3200PRC from 1998 I believe. Trying to hunt down the charger to see if it still powers up and if I can play Snake on it. I found manuals for it online but you have to pay for the PDFs. Other than that, can't find any specs or anything except a chip website for obsolete tech.

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

Mak0rz posted:

There was a very long period in my life were the most sophisticated piece of hardware in my computer was a SoundBlaster PCI 128.

Until I added my (underpowered, overpriced, but appreciated at the time) voodoo banshee I was right there with you. Soundblaster card hooked up to cambridge soundworks surround speakers with a sub, and I was damned impressed.

and I'm still using the same speakers 15 17 years on



Buttcoin purse posted:

can you get PCIe sound cards?

Yeah, I was surprised they were a thing when recently building a new machine but apparently some motherboards have lovely onboard sound or people want more functions. Weirdly enough you can still easily buy brand new, old style long connector PCI soundcards too, nevermind PCIe

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Competent integrated audio is something I could easily forget about if I was putting together a computer. Hopefully my brainfart would end before I ended up with an expensive card.

Three-Phase
Aug 5, 2006

by zen death robot

klugman posted:

love the 'App Store'. MegaMan in TempleOS--living the dream.

TempleOS has no networking capability. At all.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Grand Prize Winner posted:

lol at not using the first case you ever got to house every pc you've owned. '95-era beige box w/modern hardware for gaming hell yeah

Things just don't fit really well in an IBM PC XT Model 286 case, especially since it still has all the original junk in place because I'm sure as gently caress not going to gut it.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Three-Phase posted:

TempleOS has no networking capability. At all.

Sounds good to me.

Dicty Bojangles
Apr 14, 2001

Three-Phase posted:

TempleOS has no networking capability. At all.

Not true, it connects to God.

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Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I wonder what it's like to program your own app that talks to god. Even if you're crazy, you have to think "I wrote all these responses, what am I doing here?"

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