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Jedit posted:You mean imagine the Tory/UKIP coalition taking us out of the EU without a referendum? I'm imagining UKIP having 90 seats and smacking my lips. 154 is the third album by the English post-punk band Wire, released in 1979 (see 1979 in music) on EMI imprint Harvest Records in the UK and Europe and Warner Bros. Records in America.
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what is corbyn doing right now?
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Feb 26, 2017 12:54
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Kurtofan posted:what is corbyn doing right now? Giving a speech about the recent upset to the Scottish Labour Party in Perth.
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ewe2 posted:This is hilarious, May a 'centrist'. This is the same BS being tried here in Australia by our Opposition and it actually works. Never mind it's so far from the truth it's silly, in the horse-race sense, it's a solid tactic and hard to fight. Its not hard for them to paint her as a centrist. They get to compare her to commie hat beard weirdo Dear Leader. Everything is to the right of him, so all right wingers get to be 'centrists.' If they had to compare themselves to an actual centrist or center-left leader, they'd have more trouble claiming the center ground.
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hakimashou posted:If they had to compare themselves to an actual centrist or center-left leader, they'd have more trouble claiming the center ground. 
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Feb 26, 2017 12:58
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HJB posted:I'm imagining UKIP having 90 seats and smacking my lips. It's a good record but I prefer their first two albums.
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Feb 26, 2017 13:01
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https://twitter.com/stvnews/status/835755416609042432 Controversial to say it in England. Courageous to say it in Scotland.
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Feb 26, 2017 13:13
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quote:And Mr Watson, told ITV1's Peston on Sunday that Mr Corbyn's "cheerleaders" should stand by him "in the bad times as well as the good". Oh my. TinTower posted:https://twitter.com/stvnews/status/835755416609042432 Well I mean they might as well just close scottish labours offices now. They won't be needing them.
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Feb 26, 2017 13:19
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https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/835824554358542338 Good work Jeremy.
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Feb 26, 2017 13:19
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Feb 26, 2017 13:21
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I genuinely wonder what would happen if there was a byelection in a safe labour city constituency at this point. Somewhere like Hackney that went so hard remain.
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Feb 26, 2017 13:29
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Pissflaps posted:https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/835824554358542338 just in time Scottish Labour probably aren't the best placed to find a solution
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Feb 26, 2017 13:38
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What would happen is the exact same round of shite excuses.
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Feb 26, 2017 13:39
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Because if you can't get the correct answer to the question you want (should Labour oppose leaving) twist the question until you get a different answer and claim it means the same thing.
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Feb 26, 2017 13:41
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jabby posted:Because if you can't get the correct answer to the question you want (should Labour oppose leaving) twist the question until you get a different answer and claim it means the same thing. They've been asking that same question for months. Guess who thinks labour shouldnt oppose leavkng? Ukip.
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Feb 26, 2017 13:43
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A 71-23 split is more than a reworded question.
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Feb 26, 2017 13:45
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There's a massive difference between thinking we were wrong to vote to leave and thinking we should ignore the referendum result.
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Feb 26, 2017 13:50
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Lord of the Llamas posted:There's a massive difference between thinking we were wrong to vote to leave and thinking we should ignore the referendum result. Watch the two get closer and marvel at Jeremy's idiocy.
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Feb 26, 2017 14:00
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Pissflaps posted:https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/835824554358542338 My God, just look at that trend.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:There's a massive difference between thinking we were wrong to vote to leave and thinking we should ignore the referendum result. Yup. I'm in that 71% that think it's wrong to leave the EU. On the other hand, I do not want the results of the referendum discounted. That's democracy. Though poo poo. On the other, other hand, if Scotland has a referendum on the membership to the UK and wins its independence, then I hope Corbyn will abide by their wishes. Given his stances thus far I'm sure he will, though he might campaign against them leaving.
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Pissflaps posted:Watch the two get closer and marvel at Jeremy's idiocy. If we had Owen Smith and the Pissflaps policy on Brexit we would've lost Stoke as well as Copeland.
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Feb 26, 2017 14:15
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Good takedown by Tory newspaper The Mirror of those Team Corbyn Copeland excuses.
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Feb 26, 2017 14:22
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This is just a list of the various factors she mentioned, most of which without even any comment let alone rebuttal. I'm not sure how that constitutes a 'takedown'.
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Feb 26, 2017 14:28
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"We don't need to actually help constituencies outside of London, we just need Owen Smith as leader." - Pissflaps
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Praseodymi posted:"We don't need to actually help constituencies outside of London, we just need Owen Smith as leader." - Pissflaps That's not something I've said or suggested. Youre a liar.
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Feb 26, 2017 14:30
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jabby posted:Because if you can't get the correct answer to the question you want (should Labour oppose leaving) twist the question until you get a different answer and claim it means the same thing. This is absurd. I get wanting to defend Corbyn but show some rational thought. His stance on Brexit is absolute poison with the people who actually vote Labour, & the people who don't simply don't believe him.
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Feb 26, 2017 14:40
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I thought the definition of working class was whether they own a flat cap, and also wear it unironically.
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forkboy84 posted:This is absurd. I get wanting to defend Corbyn but show some rational thought. His stance on Brexit is absolute poison with the people who actually vote Labour, & the people who don't simply don't believe him. You're wasting your breath.
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forkboy84 posted:This is absurd. I get wanting to defend Corbyn but show some rational thought. His stance on Brexit is absolute poison with the people who actually vote Labour, & the people who don't simply don't believe him. If you want to know if Labour should oppose Brexit, you can ask that. In fact they have asked that, and the results showed support for a soft Brexit as the least divisive option. The poll posted, about whether or not Britain was right to vote leave, is not the same question. The only reason to ask it rather than ask a more accurate one is if you want a result that you can make support your conclusion. As Kokoro Wish said, it clearly misrepresents some opinions.
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Feb 26, 2017 14:47
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Jeza posted:I thought the definition of working class was whether they own a flat cap, and also wear it unironically. i own two. does that make me double working class or too rich anymore
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Feb 26, 2017 14:50
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jabby posted:If you want to know if Labour should oppose Brexit, you can ask that. In fact they have asked that, and the results showed support for a soft Brexit as the least divisive option. Those results show that 'no Brexit' would please most labour voters, and a hard Brexit - which Corbyn ran a three line whip on voting for - the fewest.
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Pissflaps posted:Those results show that 'no Brexit' would please most labour voters. 'Most' implies more than half. It would please 45%. Over a soft Brexit it would please/delight an extra 9%, at the cost of angering an extra 13%. Doesn't really seem like it would improve fortunes. In any case it's certainly a more accurate poll than simply asking whether or not Britain was right to leave, and twisting that to imply what people want to do now.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:There's a massive difference between thinking we were wrong to vote to leave and thinking we should ignore the referendum result. ignoring it would be silly. the Irish government did not ignore the result of the 2008 Lisbon treaty referendum; the Columbian government have not ignored the results of last year's peace deal referendum.
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Feb 26, 2017 14:56
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Hard Brexit - which Corbyn ran a three line whip on voting for - pleases the fewest labour voters.
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Pissflaps posted:Those results show that 'no Brexit' would please most labour voters, and a hard Brexit - which Corbyn ran a three line whip on voting for - the fewest. Then they asked whether Labour should oppose Brexit or not, and the answer was 48-39 'no'.
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Darth Walrus posted:Then they asked whether Labour should oppose Brexit or not, and the answer was 48-39 'no'. So over half think they should, or don't mind either way. Supporting Brexit ensure that labour shares the blame for a bad Brexit and gets none of the credit if it goes less badly than many expect. It's stupid as gently caress. Corbyn is dumb as hell lol.
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Pissflaps posted:Hard Brexit - which Corbyn ran a three line whip on voting for - pleases the fewest labour voters. You're gonna have to provide some evidence that many people other than you consider Labour to be supporting hard Brexit, against everything Labour have actually been saying. Pissflaps posted:So over half think they should, or don't mind either way. For someone who loves beating up strawman Corbyn supporters for saying polls don't matter, there isn't an ironicat big enough.
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Feb 26, 2017 15:01
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jabby posted:You're gonna have to provide some evidence that many people other than you consider Labour to be supporting hard Brexit, against everything Labour have actually been saying.
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Feb 26, 2017 15:02
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Pissflaps posted:So over half think they should, or don't mind either way. You can equally say that over half don't mind if they do let Brexit happen.
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Darth Walrus posted:You can equally say that over half don't mind if they do let Brexit happen.
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