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| Golf GTI / R / R32 |
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196 | 0.02% |
| Impreza WRX / STi |
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| Focus ST |
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| Elantra GT |
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1000001 | 99.92% |
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I have one as a rental right now and it's dreadful. The car itself isn't great either, the steering manages the concurrent trick of being overly weighted and providing no feedback from the road at all. The third door is clever but the rearward visibility is abysmal. They gave me a Chrysler 200 in the middle of winter with snow on the ground a few years back as a rental. Christ I thought I was gonna die.
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I had a Jeep Renegade rental for a couple of weeks that was pretty dreadful in the steering regard too. You couldn't feel anything at all through the steering wheel and it wanted to return to going straight in turns like nothing I've ever driven before. Like you had to work to keep the steering wheel from returning to center and driving off the road in a curve. It also made my knees hurt... I don't have a good explanation for that outside of maybe the seating position or something, but my knees returned to normal the day after I got rid of it.
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Feb 24, 2017 21:21
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fknlo posted:I had a Jeep Renegade rental for a couple of weeks that was pretty dreadful in the steering regard too. You couldn't feel anything at all through the steering wheel and it wanted to return to going straight in turns like nothing I've ever driven before. Like you had to work to keep the steering wheel from returning to center and driving off the road in a curve. It's the seating position. I noticed that when I was in the Soul for 2 days. It's the upright posture due to the shortened cab size.
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Feb 24, 2017 21:24
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fknlo posted:I had a Jeep Renegade rental for a couple of weeks that was pretty dreadful in the steering regard too. You couldn't feel anything at all through the steering wheel and it wanted to return to going straight in turns like nothing I've ever driven before. Like you had to work to keep the steering wheel from returning to center and driving off the road in a curve. I also had a Renegade rental just over a year ago when my Jetta was in for collision repair, and you've given words to my feelings. I couldn't pinpoint why I hated it but it was just so mechanical, I couldn't feel anything. My knees hurt too and I'm only 5'3".
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Feb 24, 2017 21:30
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People with an RS: What are you paying for insurance? I got an online quote from LIberty Mutual for $300 / month and an online quote from Geico for $110 / month, same coverage.  I'm probably going to pull the trigger next week, as soon as my bank gives me the go-ahead on financing.
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Feb 25, 2017 04:15
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KillHour posted:People with an RS: What are you paying for insurance? I've never gotten a good quote from Liberty Mutual. I pay $141 a month for full coverage (USAA) on my RS in Michigan. I held off on buying it until I moved out of Detroit because I got quoted $375 a month.
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Feb 25, 2017 04:17
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Okay, that's much more reasonable. It's good to know the Liberty was the weird one and not Geico.
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Feb 25, 2017 04:33
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xsf421 posted:I've never gotten a good quote from Liberty Mutual. I pay $141 a month for full coverage (USAA) on my RS in Michigan. I held off on buying it until I moved out of Detroit because I got quoted $375 a month. I am in a neighboring city to Detroit and pay around 180 a month for my FiST with a super clean driving record and being old as gently caress. Michigan has some really hosed up tort/insurance laws for sure. $141 for an RS sounds amazing, I should call USAA and see what they can do for me.
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Feb 25, 2017 15:36
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Liberty always gave me silly high quotes too
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Feb 25, 2017 17:56
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Liberty called me after the GTI purchase and gave me a rate more than double what I'm paying through GEICO. Can't complain though, the GTI and Mercedes with absurd limits and 100/500 comp/coll is only $750 for 6 months.
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Feb 25, 2017 18:28
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PaintVagrant posted:I am in a neighboring city to Detroit and pay around 180 a month for my FiST with a super clean driving record and being old as gently caress. Michigan has some really hosed up tort/insurance laws for sure. $141 for an RS sounds amazing, I should call USAA and see what they can do for me. Yeah, 31 with nothing on my driving record, living in Redford. When I was living on the east side of Detroit, Liberty quoted me $3600/6 months for my Fiesta Titanium. e: Regarding the Renegade, it has some issues under heavy braking. It might be a bit front-heavy. xsf421 fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Feb 25, 2017 |
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Feb 25, 2017 18:33
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Pulled the trigger on a Nitrous Blue RS. I take delivery Monday (would have been today but my bank's closed). 
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Feb 25, 2017 22:55
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I'm looking at purchasing a new Fiesta ST this year. Would you guys recommend waiting for the new one? The interior looks so much better and I like the new styling of the car as well. The only things I'm concerned about is if we will actually get it here in the states, and if the new engine will be as good as the old one.
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Feb 25, 2017 23:09
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KillHour posted:People with an RS: What are you paying for insurance? Im paying about $170 through state farm for mine (although that includes rental insurance as well).
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Feb 26, 2017 00:37
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Partial Octopus posted:I'm looking at purchasing a new Fiesta ST this year. Would you guys recommend waiting for the new one? The interior looks so much better and I like the new styling of the car as well. The only things I'm concerned about is if we will actually get it here in the states, and if the new engine will be as good as the old one. We're people earlier in the thread saying depreciation is a killer on those in the United States anyway? Why not take advantage of that?
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Feb 26, 2017 00:39
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Partial Octopus posted:I'm looking at purchasing a new Fiesta ST this year. Would you guys recommend waiting for the new one? The interior looks so much better and I like the new styling of the car as well. The only things I'm concerned about is if we will actually get it here in the states, and if the new engine will be as good as the old one. What do you plan on doing with it? If modifying it I would buy a used one with depreciation since the aftermarket is there. The new one will take a year or two to get as much aftermarket. $5-8k in depreciation is a lot of parts. Also, the new engine with larger displacement per a cylinder will be nice for lower end torque and drive ability when modding but it won't be enough to matter.
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Feb 26, 2017 01:33
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Hey check out the correct answer below:dissss posted:We're people earlier in the thread saying depreciation is a killer on those in the United States anyway? Why not take advantage of that? dissss posted:We're people earlier in the thread saying depreciation is a killer on those in the United States anyway? Why not take advantage of that? dissss posted:We're people earlier in the thread saying depreciation is a killer on those in the United States anyway? Why not take advantage of that? dissss posted:We're people earlier in the thread saying depreciation is a killer on those in the United States anyway? Why not take advantage of that? dissss posted:We're people earlier in the thread saying depreciation is a killer on those in the United States anyway? Why not take advantage of that? dissss posted:We're people earlier in the thread saying depreciation is a killer on those in the United States anyway? Why not take advantage of that? a used Fiesta ST is the best deal on the planet.
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Feb 26, 2017 01:52
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fyodor posted:Hey check out the correct answer below: There's one listed 10 miles from me for under $13k. You really can't go wrong for that price.
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Feb 26, 2017 01:55
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I have been putting off car shopping until the FiST redesign was unveiled, and now I'm not sure how I feel about it. I'm sure the 3 cylinder will sound pissed off and be extremely flingable, but if they plan to keep HP around 197, would that thing have to come pretty much maxed out from the factory? I don't do a lot of mods or tuning, but just the fact I know it's there makes me content somehow. I wonder if someone were to buy a brand new 16 or 17 FiST and put it in a climate controlled garage for 20-30 years, what kind of price they would get for it? If this 3 cylinder change over is a flop, I think the 1.6 FiST's might become desirable at some point
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Feb 26, 2017 18:38
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Dr.Caligari posted:I have been putting off car shopping until the FiST redesign was unveiled, and now I'm not sure how I feel about it. I'm sure the 3 cylinder will sound pissed off and be extremely flingable, but if they plan to keep HP around 197, would that thing have to come pretty much maxed out from the factory? What? the 1.6L I4 is 197 in only the ST trim. The 3cyl is 123 hp.
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Feb 26, 2017 19:03
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What about used FoST? Unfortunately, I don't see any used FiST near me but I see plenty of used FoST. They seem to be hovering around $20k, give or take a few grand.
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Feb 26, 2017 19:07
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fyodor posted:What? the 1.6L I4 is 197 in only the ST trim. The 3cyl is 123 hp. Next ST is getting a 1.5L 3 cylinder.
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Feb 26, 2017 19:07
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mariooncrack posted:What about used FoST? Unfortunately, I don't see any used FiST near me but I see plenty of used FoST. They seem to be hovering around $20k, give or take a few grand. That seems like an incredible rip-off considering the FoST has $2,250 on the hood right now and you can get in to one for $23,4 including D&D without negotiating at all.
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Feb 26, 2017 20:16
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2017 Focus STs listed for $22.6 near me, supposedly going for $500 or so below that including all fees. Ford really wants to sell these.
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Feb 26, 2017 20:40
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I want to like the new FiST but I have a lot of reservations about the new engine (and I kinda like the idea of a turbo I-3 too)...the 1.6 seems to have been very well tested in a variety of applications from fleet use to racing for almost a decade now and still hasn't showed any significant weaknesses (correct me if I'm wrong) - whereas this will be a brand new engine (also cylinder deactivation on a 3 cylinder intended for performance? WHY?!).Dr.Caligari posted:I wonder if someone were to buy a brand new 16 or 17 FiST and put it in a climate controlled garage for 20-30 years, what kind of price they would get for it? If this 3 cylinder change over is a flop, I think the 1.6 FiST's might become desirable at some point Yea I'm totally aware that I'm currently driving the MKI GTI of the present day and it's totally awesome.
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Feb 26, 2017 21:14
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fknlo posted:Next ST is getting a 1.5L 3 cylinder. That is just perfect in every way. An angry, odd-numbered cylinder engine is what the fiesta st should be.
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Feb 26, 2017 21:14
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Oh, I didn't really look too hard at the new FoST. Looks like they're advertised near me for $24k. My neighbor works for Ford so I think I can get the X-Plan discount on it. How's the deprecation on the FoST compared to the FiST?
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Feb 26, 2017 21:20
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mariooncrack posted:Oh, I didn't really look too hard at the new FoST. Looks like they're advertised near me for $24k. My neighbor works for Ford so I think I can get the X-Plan discount on it. How's the deprecation on the FoST compared to the FiST? Not as bad but still... appreciable. Probably looking at 19-20.
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Feb 26, 2017 21:24
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fyodor posted:That is just perfect in every way. An angry, odd-numbered cylinder engine is what the fiesta st should be. I hope they don't sit on their hands again when it comes to making it sound really good and just go  and take the symposer route again when they could be outdoing the Abarth at it's own game...
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Feb 26, 2017 22:35
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Mariana Horchata posted:I hope they don't sit on their hands again when it comes to making it sound really good and just go Let's hope they don't go for the euro-spec route: quote:But inside, it gets new seats to replace the ones that were very uncomfortable before, a new steering wheel, a bunch of new materials, and artificial noise pumped in through the speakers. http://jalopnik.com/the-2018-ford-fiesta-st-is-your-new-three-cylinder-turb-1792711087
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Feb 26, 2017 22:40
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Mariana Horchata posted:I hope they don't sit on their hands again when it comes to making it sound really good and just go The symposer wasn't due to laziness but because these cars were developed in Europe they plan them to meet European noise regulations. The Symposer is their way of adding it back in to the "experience." That said, I would count on the same team working on it and therefore it having the same sedate sound w/o trickery.
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Feb 26, 2017 22:52
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The new Fiesta probably isn't coming to the US. The car was announced in Europe last November. Since then, we've had the LA, Detroit, and Chicago auto shows, and Ford hasn't made any reference to the new car at all. What they have announced is this, which is Fiesta sized but will be way more profitable and probably sell better. Remember, Mazda did the same thing when they pulled the 2 and gave us the CX-3.
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Feb 26, 2017 23:14
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fyodor posted:The symposer wasn't due to laziness but because these cars were developed in Europe they plan them to meet European noise regulations. The Symposer is their way of adding it back in to the "experience." Also, new cars have so much sound dampening built in to them now, god forbid Muffy and Chad have to hear anything outside of their bubble.
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Feb 26, 2017 23:47
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Dr.Caligari posted:Let's hope they don't go for the euro-spec route: Thankfully I don't trust Jalopnik to know what the gently caress they are talking about half the time.  TheGoatTrick posted:The new Fiesta probably isn't coming to the US. The car was announced in Europe last November. Since then, we've had the LA, Detroit, and Chicago auto shows, and Ford hasn't made any reference to the new car at all. What they have announced is this, which is Fiesta sized but will be way more profitable and probably sell better. Interesting point - but I doubt that would happen, especially when Ford is obviously working to build their ST brand in the USA. It's probably because the Fiesta is a Ford of Europe product as mentioned...
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Feb 27, 2017 01:11
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Mariana Horchata posted:Thankfully I don't trust Jalopnik to know what the gently caress they are talking about half the time. Yea they have stated on many occasions these are global cars.
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Feb 27, 2017 01:31
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Dr.Caligari posted:I have been putting off car shopping until the FiST redesign was unveiled, and now I'm not sure how I feel about it. I'm sure the 3 cylinder will sound pissed off and be extremely flingable, but if they plan to keep HP around 197, would that thing have to come pretty much maxed out from the factory? I believe that in europe, the FiST is the ST180, which is 180 hp without the overboost function (~200hp). So if they use the same hp nomenclature, the new FiST 1.5 is probably turning around 220ish at the crank. Less total displacement and more power, so more than likely less extra power left on the table. I am very curious about the engine note of the car, 3 cylinder motorcycles sound rad as gently caress.
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Feb 27, 2017 01:35
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PaintVagrant posted:I believe that in europe, the FiST is the ST180, which is 180 hp without the overboost function (~200hp). So if they use the same hp nomenclature, the new FiST 1.5 is probably turning around 220ish at the crank. Less total displacement and more power, so more than likely less extra power left on the table. I am very curious about the engine note of the car, 3 cylinder motorcycles sound rad as gently caress. I always thought that they still had the overboost but just weren't allowed to count the additional power in the published output specs due to some sort of Euro law... Are there any turbo I-3 hot hatches being produced right now? If so I wouldn't mind hearing some of their gnarly sounds. This is a good official article about the FiST - also I forgot that I once drunkenly friended Matthias Tonn on linkedin to tell him how much I liked his work...so maybe I should hit him up again and just ask straight up if and when. The auxiliary port injection system is a very good thing - I wonder if that's going to become a standard thing on the EcoBoost engines in time? http://performance.ford.com/enthusiasts/media-room/2017/02/next-gen-ford-fiesta-st-debuts.html Mariana Horchata fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Feb 27, 2017 |
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Feb 27, 2017 16:12
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Mariana Horchata posted:I always thought that they still had the overboost but just weren't allowed to count the additional power in the published output specs due to some sort of Euro law... quote:Are there any turbo I-3 hot hatches being produced right now? If so I wouldn't mind hearing some of their gnarly sounds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEVXmxoIJn8 quote:The auxiliary port injection system is a very good thing - I wonder if that's going to become a standard thing on the EcoBoost engines in time? IMO all direct injected cars should have the auxiliary port injection setup, it provides an easier upgrade path for the fuel system and eliminates the DI carbon buildup issues. As long as EGR remains a thing we need fuel hosing down the backs of the valves.
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Feb 27, 2017 16:33
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wolrah posted:99% sure you're correct. How effective is the Italian tune-up method at preventing the inevitable carbon fouling issues anyways? Will a shell blast be inevitable before 100k miles despite me regularly driving mine like it has a rotary engine?
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Mariana Horchata posted:How effective is the Italian tune-up method at preventing the inevitable carbon fouling issues anyways? Will a shell blast be inevitable before 100k miles despite me regularly driving mine like it has a rotary engine? I've heard varying tales on how effective it is for pure DI vehicles. Some say some good hard driving will warm up the valves enough that it doesn't stick, others say they drive the poo poo out of it and still needed blasting. I'd like to see some long-term controlled testing, but really the only people in a position to do so in a meaningful way are the automakers who don't exactly want to publicize the build up problem. I'm just planning to have to do it at some point. I don't expect to go big turbo or full E85 where I could justify an auxiliary fuel system, so it is what it is.
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