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I liked everything I've seen that was nominated for best picture - I enjoyed Hacksaw Ridge, Arrival, Manchester by the Sea, and Hell or High Water - but the only one that cracks my top ten for the year is Moonlight, and just barely. Hacksaw Ridge was really solid classical war movie style filmmaking but with Gibson's distinctly modern flair for portraying gruesome violence - I said it in Gen Chat, but I honestly think he might be one of the best directors of violence ever. The cinematography and editing were very good, Andrew Garfield and Hugo Weaving were both great, and it was nice to see a war movie that at least somewhat valorizes nonviolence. The ending was a little clumsy but that was my only real complaint. Uncle Boogeyman fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Feb 26, 2017 |
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I appreciate hearing your opinions. I can see where you're coming from, but the violence to me was over the top to the point of parody/comedy. Kung Fu grenade kick included. Hugo Weaving was low key the best part of the film. I thought his performance was great.
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Harlock posted:I appreciate hearing your opinions. I can see where you're coming from, but the violence to me was over the top to the point of parody/comedy. Kung Fu grenade kick included. Hugo Weaving deserves an Oscar nod for his role, no doubt. Shame he didn't get it. The violence was so insane and over the top, like Tropic Thunder levels of absurd.
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They haven't aired yet but we already have a loser. Greg P Russell was part of a group nominated in the Sound Mixing category for 13 Hours but the Academy has rescinded his nomination due to some campaigning that was against the rules.
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Anyone see the Live Action Shorts? I thought it was a solid field; no real stand-outs, and not really any bad ones. Probably any one of them could win, outside of Timecode (it's more of a high-concept joke short). If people vote political I'd bet Ennemis Intérieures wins (though it very badly fumbles at the end), and I think I'd like to see Mindenki (Sing) take it. Silent Nights could have easily been stretched to a feature that I'd watch. As for animated, I'd bet Borrowed Time wins because it's Pixar and also very good (I haven't seen all of the competition, though).
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I liked all of the best picture noms I've seen but Hacksaw would definitely be at the bottom. I liked Weaving and some of the camerawork enough to call it a net positive but it feels very made for TV before the combat scenes which just get silly. A lot of people deflect any criticism by saying "crazier stuff really happened to the guy!" but it's a problem with the presentation more than anything. I'm iffy on Garfield's performance and baffled he got nominated.
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I tend to think that the awards are probably really predictable if you understand the Oscar's are a reflection of what the industry thinks of itself. There's three key things: - They really think movies go along way towards promoting social justice issues, so if you can get somebody on-stage for two minutes to talk about a cause du jour, than you've really done your part. - They really loving love movies about show-business itself - They believe that the height of acting is a pretty person playing an ugly person. So if, you look at the ballot and imagine a slate of awards winners that satisfies all the conditions, then you'll probably have a good idea who will win what. The only problem really is probably identifying what category of social justice some movies belong to. I'm inclined to think that they view all movies with a predominantly black cast as "black people" movies. So for example this year, a movie like Hidden Figures might ordinarily be considered a "women are marginalized in the workplace movie", and thus be a lock for an award. However, since the top 3 billed actresses are all black, so it'll probably be viewed a "black people" film, and thus is competing against Fences for awards. Viola Davis is probably getting Best Supporting Actress, so I wouldn't count on Hidden Figures getting anything. Moonlight is likely in the same boat. It might be gay enough to get a screenplay nod, but it's probably firmly in the "black people" category. I think the important thing is that the awards aren't given independent of other awards. If we get to the end of the evening and La La Land hasn't won anything, then it's a virtual lock for Best Picture, to satisfy the Hollywood loving Hollywood constraint. On the other hand, if it wins Best Director or something, the the field is a lot more open.
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Harlock posted:I appreciate hearing your opinions. I can see where you're coming from, but the violence to me was over the top to the point of parody/comedy. Kung Fu grenade kick included. Oh, I agree, it's extremely over the top. But I think that was the intention. Trying to realistically capture warfare from the point of view of a soldier is a futile experience because the audience as neutral observer is too far removed from the events. So Gibson abandons realism in favour of showing the emotional experience: confusion, fear, anger, even brief moments of heroic levity like the grenade kick. It's like he's trying to do an expressionist rendition of battle, and while I don't think he succeeds entirely, I find the attempt admirable.
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Kawabata posted:Oh, I knew you'd play the "they didn't sanitize it enough for you" card. But that wasn't the issue, because if you read my post (which doesn't look like you did, it just looks like you're annoyed because I don't like the movie you love) you'd remember that I read Northup's book before watching 12 Years a Slave. So yes, I expected all the evil and the brutality but what I didn't expect was the tone they chose to go for. The movie was dull (and it really didn't need to be, considering the excellent source material) because it felt like passion of the christ: slavery edition. After finally watching Zero Dark Thirty I cannot believe it got nominated for anything. Setting aside the torture issue, it's loving boring. Although, I think the point the movie was trying to make was that it was a POV film, letting you watch intelligence officers unreliably narrate the facts to themselves. The December 2009 Chapman base bombing is the most obvious "something bad is going to happen" sequence in film history, but all of the characters are psyched that they found a guy who is going to give up Bin Laden. Or the ending, where everyone acts like an organized murder/robbery is a big turning point, but the film itself is telling you that the facts on the ground are no different than before. I think that was the point. But holy poo poo it's just a way too long movie with a bunch of office characters that they could have frankly cut.
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I guess there's no better place to do a top 10: 1. The Innocents 2. Moonlight 3. Silence 4. The Lobster 5. 13th 6. Arrival 7. A Man Called Ove 8. La La Land 9. Love and Friendship 10. Hunt for the Wilderpeople Honestly, there were so many great movies this year I could do a top 20. There are still plenty that I need to see, but these are the ones that have stood out the most so far. As far as the Oscars themselves, I didn't get to see all of them this year. That's mainly due to the fact that my wife and I had a baby a couple of weeks ago. Here's the extent of what I can gather from what I have seen: -Moonlight better win best picture, adapted screenplay, and supporting actor. Best director would be pretty sweet too. -La La Land better not win best actor or actress, but I kinda hope it does win best score, best director, best production design, and maybe best original screenplay. -This was a truly miserable year for animated feature films on the whole, so I'd say Kubo and the Two Strings deserves the win purely for the art style. -Amy Adams wasn't nominated for Arrival so frankly I don't give a poo poo about who wins best actress. -A Man Called Ove deserves to win every category for which it's nominated. -Andrew Garfield should've been nominated for Silence instead of Hacksaw Ridge, and Ryan Gosling should've been nominated for The Nice Guys instead of La La Land. As it stands, Denzel will probably win for Fences.
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dont even fink about it posted:After finally watching Zero Dark Thirty I cannot believe it got nominated for anything. Setting aside the torture issue, it's loving boring. In addition to being an incredibly obvious piece of agitprop.
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 Oscars Contest Before 8:30pm EST (about 3 hours 30 minutes from this post) when the Oscars start tonight, post your list of what is going to win what category at the Oscars tonight. Whomever is closest at the end of the night will receive your choice of a forum upgrade (plat, archives, no ads) or a custom avatar/title. Good luck!
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Best Picture La La Land Best Director Damien Chazelle Best Actress Emma Stone Best Actor Casey Affleck Best Supporting Actress Viola Davis Best Supporting Actor Mahershala Ali Best Animated Film Zootopia Best Foreign Film The Salesman Best Documentary OJ: Made in America Best Original Screenplay Manchester by the Sea Best Adapted Screenplay Moonlight Best Original Song "City of Stars" Best Original Score La La Land Best Cinematography La La Land Best Costume Design Jackie Best Production Design La La Land Best Visual Effects The Jungle Book Best Editing La La Land Best Make-Up Star Trek Beyond Best Sound Editing La La Land Best Sound Mixing La La Land
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Feb 26, 2017 23:24
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Best Picture: La La Land Best Director: Barry Jenkins, Moonlight Best Actor: Denzel Washington, Fences Best Actress: Emma Stone, La La Land Best Supporting Actor: Jeff Bridges, Hell or High Water Best Supporting Actress: Viola Davis, Fences Best Cinematography: Moonlight Best Original Screenplay: Manchester by the Sea Best Adapted Screenplay: Moonlight Best Film Editing: Hell or High Water Best Animated Feature: Zootopia Best Foreign Language Film: The Salesman Best Visual Effects: The Jungle Book Best Documentary - Feature: O.J.: Made in America Best Documentary - Short: Joe's Violin Best Live Action Short: Silent Nights Best Animated Short: Pear Cider and Cigarettes Best Original Score: La La Land Best Original Song: "How Far I'll Go", Moana Best Sound Editing: Hacksaw Ridge Best Sound Mixing: Arrival Best Production Design: La La Land Best Costume Design: Jackie Best Makeup and Hairstyling: Star Trek Beyond
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Best Picture | La La Land Best Director | Damien Chazelle (La La Land) Best Actor | Casey Affleck (Manchester by the Sea) Best Actress | Emma Stone (La La Land) Best Supporting Actor | Mahershala Ali (Moonlight) Best Supporting Actress | Viola Davis (Fences) Best Original Screenplay | Manchester by the Sea Best Adapted Screenplay | Moonlight Best Foreign Language Film | The Salesman Best Animated Feature | Zootopia Best Animated Short | Piper Best Cinematography | La La Land Best Film Editing | Arrival Best Visual Effects | The Jungle Book Best Original Score | La La Land Best Original Song | "City of Stars" (La La Land) Best Sound Mixing | La La Land Best Sound Editing | La La Land Best Art Direction | La La Land Best Costume Design | Jackie Best Makeup and Hairstyling | Star Trek Beyond Best Documentary - Feature | O.J.: Made in America Best Documentary - Short | The White Helmets Best Live Action Short | Ennemis Interieurs
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Best Picture: La La Land Best Director: Damien Chazelle Best Actor: Denzel Washington Best Actress: Natalie Portman Best Supporting Actor: Jeff Bridges Best Supporting Actress: Viola Davis Best Original Screenplay: Manchester by the Sea Best Adapted Screenplay: Fences Best Animated Feature Film: The Red Turtle Best Foreign Language Film: Toni Erdmann Best Documentary – Feature: O.J.: Made in America Best Documentary – Short Subject: 4.1 Miles Best Live Action Short Film: La Femme et le TGV Best Animated Short Film: Borrowed Time Best Original Score: La La Land Best Original Song: Audition (The Fools Who Dream) Best Sound Editing: Arrival Best Sound Mixing: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story Best Production Design: La La Land Best Cinematography: La La Land Best Makeup and Hairstyling: A Man Called Ove Best Costume Design: Allied Best Film Editing: La La Land Best Visual Effects:Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
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Best Picture: Moonlight Best Director: Barry Jenkins (Moonlight) Best Actor: Denzel Washington (Fences) Best Actress: Emma Stone (La La Land) Best Supporting Actor: Mahershala Ali (Moonlight) Best Supporting Actress: Viola Davis (Fences) Best Original Screenplay: La La Land Best Adapted Screenplay: Moonlight Best Animated Feature: Zootopia Best Foreign Language Film: The Salesman Best Documentary Feature: I Am Not Your Negro Best Documentary Short: The White Helmets Best Live Action Short: Silent Nights Best Animated Short: Borrowed Time Best Original Score: La La Land Best Original Song: La La Land Best Sound Editing: La La Land Best Sound Mixing: La La Land Best Production Design: La La Land Best Cinematography: La La Land Best Makeup: Star Trek Beyond Best Costume Design: La La Land Best Film Editing: La La Land Best Visual Effects: Rogue One (I'm predicting a Godfather/Cabaret style split. Best Picture and a few others to Moonlight, but La La Land sweeps the rest)
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After watching Manchester this morning, I was able to see 8/9 of the Best Picture nominees. I'd rank them as follows: Arrival La La Land Moonlight Hell or High Water Manchester Lion Hidden Figures Hacksaw Ridge I only felt that the top 3 movies were really on another level for the best picture prize. Hell or High Water / Manchester are great movies within their genre. I wouldn't have nominated the bottom three. Lion is kind of frustrating because the first half of the movie is really engaging and beautifully shot. Sunny Pawar as Young Saroo gave a good performance. I feel like once the movie switches in time to Dev Patel it loses something in the translation. The script is a lot more hurried and the pacing just goes by too quick / the ending doesn't provide the catharsis necessary to match what's happening on the screen. Hidden Figures was a mostly average to above average biopic with nothing really inspiring about it besides the acting of the leads. It falls into same genre pitfalls of other movies like it. Personally I would have nominated The Lobster somewhere for Best Picture. I guess if I were to make predictions: Best Picture Moonlight Best Director Damien Chazelle Best Actress Emma Stone Best Actor Casey Affleck Best Supporting Actress Viola Davis Best Supporting Actor Mahershala Ali Best Animated Film Zootopia Best Foreign Film The Salesman Best Documentary OJ: Made in America Best Original Screenplay Manchester by the Sea Best Adapted Screenplay Moonlight Best Original Song "City of Stars" Best Original Score La La Land Best Cinematography Moonlight Best Costume Design Jackie Best Production Design Arrival Best Visual Effects The Jungle Book Best Editing La La Land Best Make-Up A Man Called Ove Best Sound Editing La La Land Best Sound Mixing La La Land
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Best picture: Moonlight Best Director: Barry Jenkins Best Actor: Denzel Washington Best Actress: Natalie Portman Best Supporting Actor: Mahershala Ali Best Supporting Actress: Viola Davis Best Animated Film: Kubo and the Two Strings Best Costume Design: Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them Best Production Design: La La Land Best Cinematography: Silence Best Documentary: 13th Best Film Editing: Arrival Best Foreign Language Film: A Man Called Ove Best Makeup and Hairstyling: Star Trek Beyond Best Original Score: La La Land Best Song: Audition (The Fools Who Dream) Best Live Action Short Film: Ennemi Interieurs Best Animated Short Film: Pear Cider and Cigarettes Best Documentary Short Subject: Joe's Violin Best Sound Editing: Arrival Best Sound Mixing: Arrival Best Visual Effects: Kubo and the Two Strings Best Adapted Screenplay: Moonlight Best Original Screenplay: La La Land I admittedly haven't seen most of these categories (short film, documentaries, etc) so a lot of these are just stabs in the dark. I do, however, have a good feeling about Moonlight being the best of all things this year.
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GonSmithe posted:
Best Picture: La La Land Lead Actor: Casey Affleck Lead Actress: Emma Stone Supporting Actor: Mahershala Ali Supporting Actress: Viola Davis Best Director: Damien Chazelle Animated Feature: Zootopia Animated Short: Piper Adapted Screenplay: Moonlight Original Screenplay: Manchester by the Sea Cinematography: La La Land Best Documentary Feature: OJ: Made in America Best Documentary, Short Subject: The White Helmets Best Live Action Short Film: Ennemis Interieurs Best Foreign Language Film: The Salesman Film Editing: La La Land Sound Editing: Hacksaw Ridge Sound Mixing: La La Land Production Design: La La Land Original Score: La La Land Original Song: City of Stars Makeup and Hair: Star Trek Beyond Costume Design: La La Land Visual Effects: The Jungle Book
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Thanks! I love a good oscar bet to make the more mundane categories interesting. Categories: Best Picture: La La Land Best Actor: Casey Affleck Best Actress: Emma Stone Best Supporting Actor: Mahershala Ali Best Supporting Actress: Viola Davis Best Director: La La Land Foreign Language Film: Toni Erdmann Makeup and Hairstyling: Star Trek Cinematography: La La Land Film Editing: La La Land Short Film (Live Action): Silent Nights Sound Mixing: Rogue One Visual Effects: Rogue One Original Score: La La Land Original Song: City of Stars Sound Editing: La La Land Original Screenplay: La La Land Adapted Screenplay: Moonlight Costume Design: Fantastic Beasts Documentary Feature: People vs O.J. Documentary Short Subject: White Helmets Production Design: La La Land Animated Feature: Zootopia Animated Short: Piper
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I feel pretty strongly that La La Land / Moonlight is going to split the Picture / Director category in either direction
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Best Picture Moonlight* Lead Actor Andrew Garfield, Hacksaw Ridge Lead Actress Emma Stone, La La Land* Supporting Actor Mahershala Ali, Moonlight Supporting Actress Viola Davis, Fences* Best Director Damien Chazelle, La La Land* Animated Feature Zootopia, Byron Howard, Rich Moore and Clark Spencer* Animated Short Piper, Alan Barillaro and Marc Sondheimer Adapted Screenplay Barry Jenkins; Story by Tarell Alvin McCraney, Moonlight Original Screenplay Kenneth Lonergan, Manchester by the Sea Cinematography Bradford Young, Arrival Best Documentary Feature O.J.: Made in America, Ezra Edelman and Caroline Waterlow Best Documentary, Short Subject The White Helmets, Orlando von Einsiedel and Joanna Natasegara Best Live Action Short Film Timecode, Juanjo Gimenez Best Foreign Language Film A Man Called Ove, Sweden Film Editing Tom Cross, La La Land Sound Editing Robert Mackenzie and Andy Wright, Hacksaw Ridge Sound Mixing Bernard Gariepy Strobl and Claude La Haye, Arrival Production Design Jess Gonchor, Nancy Haigh, Hail, Caesar! Original Score Justin Hurwitz, La La Land* Original Song How Far I’ll Go, Moana — Music and Lyric by Lin-Manuel Miranda Makeup and Hair Eva von Bahr and Love Larson, A Man Called Ove Costume Design Madeline Fontaine, Jackie Visual Effects Robert Legato, Adam Valdez, Andrew R. Jones and Dan Lemmon, The Jungle Book
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I absolutely hate when ABC has all their random anchors try to buddy up with actors on the red carpet. And yet I don't mind the transparently vapid coverage on E!.
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If Moonlight doesn't win Best Picture I'll be annoyed but obv the movie about how awesome Hollywood is will win over the complex film about black life so I won't be surprised.
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I've barely seen any of the nominated films so... Best Picture: La La Land Lead Actor: Casey Affleck Lead Actress: Emma Stone Supporting Actor: Mahershala Ali Supporting Actress: Viola Davis Director: Barry Jenkins edit: Still have time to do the screenplays Adapted: Hidden Figures Original: La La Land Josh Lyman fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Feb 27, 2017 |
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Kro-Bar posted:If Moonlight doesn't win Best Picture I'll be annoyed but obv the movie about how awesome Hollywood is will win over the complex film about black life so I won't be surprised. Yeah La La Land is going to clean up tonight and it's going to suck.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Yeah La La Land is going to clean up tonight and it's going to suck.  Well, we do live in a world where Mad Max Fury Road was nominated 10 times and won 6, so....
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Criminal Minded posted:Janelle Monae She's so amazing. Like, one day she decided that she was gonna start acting and now she's in 22% of the movies nominated for Best Picture.
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Josh Lyman posted:All technical awards though. It doesn't even matter.
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DC Murderverse posted:She's so amazing. Like, one day she decided that she was gonna start acting and now she's in 22% of the movies nominated for Best Picture. God she was good in Moonlight.
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Yeah, I've been a fan of her music for years so the fact that she's taking off as an actress is loving awesome. And not to get all :malegaze: about it but good lord she is beautiful and that dress she's wearing tonight is totally awesome
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Harlock posted:I'd like to hear some opinions of people who saw and liked Hacksaw Ridge. I'm doing the Best Picture Showcase and it seemed universally reviled. Everything just seemed amateurish. The tone is all over the place, the script is laughable at parts, and the endless Jesus shots wore thin by the end. I've said it in here but if it had just been "another war movie" I would have ignored it, in fact I did ignore it until I saw Mel Gibson was directing it so I was curious what got him out the black zone. The actual person it is based around is pretty much the only reason why I went to see it and had it not been for the ending where you are told "yes we didn't make this up" I probably would've written it off as a typical Hollywood WWII film that this time happens to star a medic who doesn't want to shoot anyone. I still say that the movie is not amazing (but at the same time I don't know why everyone says Saving Private Ryan is so amazing so whatever) but I appreciate it because it brought Doss' story to the public and I feel that stories like his should always be known because otherwise we just have action movie after action movie where we are glorifying violence. I mean, it still does glorify violence but he's a combat medic so
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I've only seen like 3 things so far but hey, a free chance at archives  Best Picture: La La Land Best Director: Damien Chazelle Best Actor: Casey Affleck Best Actress: Natalie Portman Best Supporting Actor: Mahershala Ali Best Supporting Actress: Viola Davis Best Original Screenplay: Manchester by the Sea Best Adapted Screenplay: Moonlight Best Animated Film: Zootopia Best Foreign Language Film: The Salesman Best Live Action Short: La Femme et le TGV Best Animted Short: Piper Best Original Score: La La Land Best Original Song: La La Land - "City of Stars" Best Sound Editing: Hacksaw Ridge Best Sound Mixing: Hacksaw Ridge Best Production Design: La La Land Best Cinematography: La La Land Best Makeup and Hairstyling: Suicide Squad Best Costume Design: Jackie Best Film Editing: La La Land Best Visual Effects: The Jungle Book
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Criminal Minded posted:Yeah, I've been a fan of her music for years so the fact that she's taking off as an actress is loving awesome. Yes to this post.
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