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Moon Atari posted:Hey auspol thread, I stopped paying attention to australian politics awhile back because it was all too depressing, but I want to get back into following it now for some masochistic reason. Are they any sources or blogs you recommend? I used to get most of my news from abc but they have gone to crap, and I don't want to pay for crikey.
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AgentF posted:I don't understand. How can Shorten have both a higher "satisfied" and a lower "dissatisfied" than Turnbull but then somehow Turnbull wins as preferred PM? It's like how someone might get passed over for 'best director' but their film wins 'best film' - the voting is done by morons.
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Feb 26, 2017 13:11
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Starshark posted:It's like how someone might get passed over for 'best director' but their film wins 'best film' - the voting is done by morons. No kidding voters are morons when the LNP was elected on the following 3 point platform: 1) Asset strip the country 2) gently caress the poor 3) Labor's fault
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Feb 26, 2017 13:18
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Preferred PM is such a bullshit measure for a parliamentary system. It matters a bit to the gallery I guess but is far less important than the primary and preferred vote numbers, but the incumbent as the advantage because they're a relatively known quantity compared with the Opp Leader. One thing about the ALP having to stick with Shorten due to the leadership election rules is that its forced discipline on Caucus. So yes, he is a lucky motherfucker, and I think at some point he'll have to make a bit more noise and outline some policies (37% of the primary vote isn't that great so they'll have to work on that), but right now the ALP have the luxury of sitting back and watching the other side tear each other apart for once.
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Feb 26, 2017 13:21
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To be fair, not having the debt rise this high or the nation slide into recession was at least partly Labour's fault and the LNP have done an excellent job of course-correcting that.
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Feb 26, 2017 13:21
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Feb 26, 2017 13:25
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DancingShade posted:No kidding voters are morons when the LNP was elected on the following 3 point platform: Should be a straight swap out but Shorten.
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Feb 26, 2017 13:36
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Moon Atari posted:Hey auspol thread, I stopped paying attention to australian politics awhile back because it was all too depressing, but I want to get back into following it now for some masochistic reason. Are they any sources or blogs you recommend? I used to get most of my news from abc but they have gone to crap, and I don't want to pay for crikey. Newmatilda is ok, theguardian is ok and has a fantastic cartoonist, AIMN is ok. depending on where you are, community run newspapers arent awful.
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Feb 26, 2017 13:43
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Turnbull is hosed. He'll get boxed in on all sides. Wages Housing Medicare Banking Shorten is good at Yugioh.
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Feb 26, 2017 14:00
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NPR Journalizard posted:theguardian has a fantastic cartoonist Mods??
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Moon Atari posted:Hey auspol thread, I stopped paying attention to australian politics awhile back because it was all too depressing, but I want to get back into following it now for some masochistic reason. Are they any sources or blogs you recommend? I used to get most of my news from abc but they have gone to crap, and I don't want to pay for crikey. Guardian is ok, mainly because a lot of established bloggers have ended up there (like Grog), and their live commentary on parliamentary sessions is without peer. New Matilda is good, often covering subjects in more depth or from non-mainstream angles. For instance, a very interesting critique of Naomi Klein's angle on climate change and the fossil fuel industry. It's hard to find a viewpoint that has that kind of balance anywhere. http://independentaustralia.net/ another independent news source. Famous for hunting down everything to do with the Jacksons when the mainstream media couldn't be arsed, and discovered a truly awful couple of people who are still trying to justify themselves in court. Also the home of Asbygate investigative journalism. They're ratbags but they're great. I do use the abc websites justin news ticker just to get the basics, although the guardian's news updates often trump it on my phone. https://thesaturdaypaper.com.au also an excellent source of analysis, but it does limit you to one free article per week (hint: read the Q Society article this week). Likewise https://www.themonthly.com.au/ which has its own paywall but really good stuff in it. On the blog side... Andrew Elder's blog is good when he can be bothered updating it. He has history and insight into the Liberal party (particularly the NSW variety) that is unique. He is also very not impressed with the mainstream media and often locks horns with them on twitter which is also entertaining. loonpond.blogspot.com is a fairly sarcastic look at the output of the Right press which helps with paywalls etc, often with screenshots of columns that thus cannot be revised. ethicalmartini.wordpress.com who rants about general mainstream media and the political horse-race, he's just done a piece on how poo poo the ABC is now. He's coincidentally political editor of Independent Australia. There are a bunch of good political podcasts, the Guardian does Australian Politics Live, Andrew Street and Dom Knight have The Double Disillusionists, Jeremy Sear continues with Well May We Say, and there's a heap of others I haven't gotten around to that I'm sure someone here will mention.
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Feb 26, 2017 14:07
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Maybe he meant their Sports cartoonist Squires, who actually is very good? 
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Anidav posted:Turnbull is hosed. He'll get boxed in on all sides. He also has to contend with One Nation clawing at his knees and Brandis. He's absolutely hosed.
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Feb 26, 2017 14:09
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 quote:Liberal ‘deplorables’ tried to bring Malcolm Turnbull undone http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...f9a7b3847a05218
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Feb 26, 2017 20:52
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After seeing his actions as opposition leader, PM, the captains picks, and knowing his back story from student politics, how could these muppets ever think it was about something other than a Tony Abbott vanity project. It's always been just about him. The PM gig was just the next prize to fight for. Same as Kevin Rudd, who wanted to go one higher and rule the world by scoring Sec General at the UN.
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Feb 26, 2017 21:21
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deter putton next pm
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Feb 26, 2017 21:52
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Solemn Sloth posted:deter putton next pm How many months will he last.
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DancingShade posted:How many months will he last. Heavily depends on whether you keep him in a cool dry place out of direct sunlight
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Feb 26, 2017 22:05
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Is anyone surprised?
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Moon Atari posted:Hey auspol thread, I stopped paying attention to australian politics awhile back because it was all too depressing, but I want to get back into following it now for some masochistic reason. Are they any sources or blogs you recommend? I used to get most of my news from abc but they have gone to crap, and I don't want to pay for crikey. Well, my Dad gets all his news from The Australian, 2GB, and 9 News. Can't go wrong there.
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Feb 26, 2017 22:13
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Should Labor be sitting on their hands watching this, or are there active ways to exploit or widen this Liberal party destabilisation?
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Feb 26, 2017 22:19
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AgentF posted:I don't understand. How can Shorten have both a higher "satisfied" and a lower "dissatisfied" than Turnbull but then somehow Turnbull wins as preferred PM? https://twitter.com/jonathonio/status/835798377308704771
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Feb 26, 2017 22:22
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AgentF posted:Should Labor be sitting on their hands watching this, or are there active ways to exploit or widen this Liberal party destabilisation? Sit back and watch the fireworks in my book. If Shorten says anything, the Liberals and News Corpse media will try to paint him as one of the faceless men during the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd days.
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Feb 26, 2017 22:38
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lol christensen is on even footing with one nation in his shithole electorate. next election he's gone
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Feb 26, 2017 23:19
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He could in theory defect to ONP to survive.
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Feb 26, 2017 23:23
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Feb 26, 2017 23:23
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Starshark posted:It's like how someone might get passed over for 'best director' but their film wins 'best film' - the voting is done by morons. Look at this chump who subscribes to the idea of auteur-director
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Feb 26, 2017 23:24
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wait is George Christensen going to actually lose his seat? To ONE NATION? Aahahhaha
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You Am I posted:Sit back and watch the fireworks in my book. If Shorten says anything, the Liberals and News Corpse media will try to paint him as one of the faceless men during the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd days. Which is unfair since the other side has a free hand to sink the boot and it generally improves their numbers. But governments lose elections. So yeah watch them burn him as they "come to realise" their mistake. That little phrase is a giveaway, because they bloody knew. And so did the press gallery, who would have known of this for some time. It doesn't take a genius to work out that your backgrounders are connected, and it accounts for the rabbit-in-headlights stance of the CPG who loathe having to big up Shorten but couldn't mention the Libs implosion.
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Feb 27, 2017 00:21
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Someone tell a simpleton why politicians freak out about polls years before elections to the point where coups are a natural state of affairs these days.
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So we're just going to overlook the fact that Bernardi likes to be called the Dark Knight?
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Doctor Spaceman posted:So we're just going to overlook the fact that Bernardi likes to be called the Dark Knight? You're surprised? Hell, I'm only bummed he doesn't call himself Two-Face. snoremac posted:Someone tell a simpleton why politicians freak out about polls years before elections to the point where coups are a natural state of affairs these days. Because they have no idea how to govern, they literally understand politics only on the level of winning elections, taunting the opposition and favours to mates.
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The Dutton Weeks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fH8gW9z24w http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-27/acoss-calls-for-slashing-tax-breaks-for-property-investors/8305046 quote:Australian Council of Social Service calls for slashing tax breaks for property investors By senior business correspondent Peter Ryan Updated about an hour ago
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ewe2 posted:Because they have no idea how to govern, they literally understand politics only on the level of winning elections, taunting the opposition and favours to mates. To be fait it's not lime the MSM portrays it as anything more than this so I can see where they might have got the impression.
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The MSM absolutely encourage that view but I think they simply haven't grown out of student politics which is a safe space for dickheads to play führeprinzip without actually accomplishing anything. Their final goal, the abolishment of a compulsory services fee for tertiary students, is exactly the kind of useless destructive ideological crap that they carry into adult politics.
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[In April 2016] 3AW’s Neil Mitchell asked Bill Shorten whether he would accept the findings of the FWC review. Shorten gave a succinct “yes”. Pressed on whether he’d do so even if the finding was to reduce Sunday rates, Shorten replied “I said I’d accept the independent tribunal”. https://theconversation.com/labor-struggles-with-the-sticky-paper-of-penalty-rates-59487 Its a long bow but what does this mean for Peter Duttons leadershop ambitions
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Feb 27, 2017 01:45
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Well Shorten is absolutely not allowed to change his mind because something something polls.
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Feb 27, 2017 01:56
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The shitcan that made the decision is Shorten's sponsor child as well.
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Feb 27, 2017 01:57
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Shorten is gonna hit a landslide stride now and literally nothing can stop it. Turnbull is always looking like the out of touch old man the opposition portrays him as. He has lost the media war to Bill loving Shorten
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sick of Applebees posted:So who's here at this Greens campaign school at UQ today? I was meant to be. How did it go?
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