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Kopijeger
Feb 14, 2010

Haier posted:

The first time I met my ex-GFs parents in hometown, when we were leaving they gave us a 5kg bag of pomegranates. I didn't know much about face culture back then, and they had assumed I had never eaten or seen such a fruit before. The look on their faces when I said they are common in the supermarkets where I am from... pure face loss.

Quite an assumption, that:

Wikipedia posted:

The pomegranate originated in the region of modern-day Iran, and has been cultivated since ancient times throughout the Mediterranean region and northern India.It was introduced into Spanish America in the late 16th century and California, by Spanish settlers, in 1769.Today, it is widely cultivated throughout the Middle East and Caucasus region, north and tropical Africa, the Indian subcontinent, Central Asia, the drier parts of southeast Asia, and parts of the Mediterranean Basin. It is also cultivated in parts of Arizona and California. In recent years, it has become more common in the commercial markets of Europe and the Western Hemisphere.

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Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!
that had me wondering about something and sure enough

Pomegranate: 石榴 (shíliu) or 海榴 (hǎiliú)

Grenade (as in hand grenade): 手榴彈 (shǒuliúdàn)

same liu there, wonder if it's for the same reason as in English/French/German etc (grenades, especially early ones, look like pomegranates)

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

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I know that greek mythos has no place anywhere in China, but pomegranates were used to explain seasons via the myth of Persephone and Hades.

ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es

Mr. Nice! posted:

I know that greek mythos has no place anywhere in China, but pomegranates were used to explain seasons via the myth of Persephone and Hades.

tangently related to this, but I was wondering if anyone knew any chinese/asian constellation myths or anything

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I carry stuff too, but unlike Mainlanders it is reasonable stuff like too expensive or isn't available in New Zealand that are fairly small. None of that idiotic here is a box of stuff in a cardboard box. Although Mom and Dad did go through a phase where they did use cardboard boxes for luggage and I still see happening.

I got to Hong Kong with a criminally under mass but I am unlikely to have the same problem on my return. If I do go over mass I have designated items I can toss and leave for the next guest that should be quite useful or as something they might be able to take home for themselves.

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

Jimmy Little Balls posted:

That was me. I never tell anyone where I am going so I don't get asked to carry stuff too often. When I went back to the UK for summer though one of my girlfriends friends from her hometown who I'd only ever met once wanted me to buy him a watch that was about £10,000. He wouldn't give me the money up front either.

From the being given stuff to carry side of things the worst thing I had was we went to visit my girlfriends grandma when we were with her family for spring festival. She lived outside the city in a rural/factory area that looked like a warzone. She decided to show us her chickens and then kept giving me the eggs she would find. I ended up with about 10 of them, just walking around with them awkwardly in my hands trying not to drop them, not even in a bag or anything. Being the other side of the country from where I live there's not really much I can do with eggs so I tried giving them to other people but everyone just refused saying they were for me. Then when we got back to her parents house I tried give them to her parents to cook with but they still refused saying they were mine, I should take them home with me.

What did you tell this dude?

The correct face saving answer for refusing the eggs would have been that your european body cannot digest eggs. In fact, it's super hard to get eggs in a european/US supermarket.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Pirate Radar posted:

that had me wondering about something and sure enough

Pomegranate: 石榴 (shíliu) or 海榴 (hǎiliú)

Grenade (as in hand grenade): 手榴彈 (shǒuliúdàn)

same liu there, wonder if it's for the same reason as in English/French/German etc (grenades, especially early ones, look like pomegranates)



Grenade: from French, alteration of Old French (pome) grenate (see pomegranate), on the pattern of Spanish granada . The bomb was so named because of its shape, supposedly resembling a pomegranate.

The word for pomegranate in French is grenade.

Xerxes17
Feb 17, 2011

I just drank "Zhuangshang" baiju. Holy gently caress that kick about a minute after :downsrim:

Edit: I also had a 2nd shot before the first kicked in. Бляяяять!

Xerxes17 fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Feb 26, 2017

metasynthetic
Dec 2, 2005

in one moment, Earth

in the next, Heaven

Megamarm
Hello China thread, long time lurker, first time poster.

I got sick yesterday, so I ordered a large soup from the local Chinese delivery place. The delivery guy commented on it, and I explained that I like to have their soup when I'm sick.

He told me "make sure you drink hot water," and I thought of this thread.

That is all, thank you :shobon:

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Haier posted:

Many pages ago, someone posted about how when people are going to take a long train ride the family will give them a 10kg bag/box of fruit/medicine/food to carry home. It's exactly how it is, but there's the other side of it. It's always "You are going/coming to/from X? Well, can you bring/take this garbage for me? Come on." It's completely normal to bug people to bring stuff or carry stuff to and fro, usually useless herbal medicine or other mundane crap that puts the carrier into a lovely position. They all do it, especially with medicine or some dumb thing they can buy where they live. "Hey, I heard that the thing I want is 10 RMB cheaper where you live. Please carry it all the way back to where I live. Thanks."

this is why duty free poo poo is so massive every time i am flying back to china. there's like bags upon bags of poo poo and it's all poo poo you can get in tianjin or shanghai but you gotta bring it from JAPAN!!!

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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r/china has an asian male identity subreddit being promoted at the top of the page

value-brand cereal
May 2, 2008

The Great Autismo! posted:

this is why duty free poo poo is so massive every time i am flying back to china. there's like bags upon bags of poo poo and it's all poo poo you can get in tianjin or shanghai but you gotta bring it from JAPAN!!!

Assuming it's all the same packaging, surely you can just buy local and give it to others saying it's 'from Japan/HK/other' to gain maximum face? Have I discovered face gain grinding in real life?

big time bisexual
Oct 16, 2002

Cool Party

Fojar38 posted:

r/china has an asian male identity subreddit being promoted at the top of the page

post a screenshot then make sure your adblocker blocks reddit

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
I used to not tell people I was going to HK in advance and then just bring them back fancy pastries.

They always wanted medicinal poo poo from there and I had my own poo poo to buy in HK so gently caress em.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

value-brand cereal posted:

Assuming it's all the same packaging, surely you can just buy local and give it to others saying it's 'from Japan/HK/other' to gain maximum face? Have I discovered face gain grinding in real life?

i've done this a few times, i give someone something and i'm like "yeah its from usa" and they get all excited and post it on their wechat but really i just picked it up at the mall around the corner

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



I got my Mongol friend a soccer t-shirt from America when I was visiting there and when I gave it to him he immediately looked at the tag that said "Made in China" and refused to believe that it came from the US.

Yorkshire Pudding fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Apr 19, 2017

JacksAngryBiome
Oct 23, 2014

value-brand cereal posted:

Assuming it's all the same packaging, surely you can just buy local and give it to others saying it's 'from Japan/HK/other' to gain maximum face? Have I discovered face gain grinding in real life?

Japan vs China the language on the packaging will be different.

Last week I bought a snickers in Japan. It was harder and more brittle than I remembered. Also my mouth was burning. The sensation was subtle, but definitely there. I looked on the wrapper and found "Made in China." I did not eat the snickers.

Oreo's here too changed from made in Japan to made in China recently.

Good for healthy.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

JacksAngryBiome posted:

Japan vs China the language on the packaging will be different.

Last week I bought a snickers in Japan. It was harder and more brittle than I remembered. Also my mouth was burning. The sensation was subtle, but definitely there. I looked on the wrapper and found "Made in China." I did not eat the snickers.

Oreo's here too changed from made in Japan to made in China recently.

Good for healthy.

Peanut brittle?

JacksAngryBiome
Oct 23, 2014
Oh god, HAIER does get around...

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
I took two years of Japanese in college before deciding 'yeah gently caress that,' but I really really liked japanese calligraphy so even afterwards I'd practice it a lot, in margins of class notes and stuff all the time.

As a result, when I went to China after college I could write very legible chinese in spite of not knowing what any of the characters meant, and had a sort of minimal baseline literacy which helped a lot. Like, it wasn't all just random symbols on poo poo.

In my experience the best party trick you can do in China is write handsome cursive Chinese as a foreigner. It leads to a lot of WAAAHs.

Also they all thought since I was the foreenah who had fine chinese handwriting that I must in fact be a great brilliant cultured scholar of some sort, I got a lot of mileage out of it.

I haven't practiced in years but I got my ink sticks and all my brushes and poo poo out and man, chinese ink smells so good.

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

McGavin posted:



Grenade: from French, alteration of Old French (pome) grenate (see pomegranate), on the pattern of Spanish granada . The bomb was so named because of its shape, supposedly resembling a pomegranate.

The word for pomegranate in French is grenade.

Yeah, that's what I mean. It's a granatapfel in German, too. Wondering if the etymological link between the two things is also present in Chinese.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Pirate Radar posted:

Yeah, that's what I mean. It's a granatapfel in German, too. Wondering if the etymological link between the two things is also present in Chinese.

does that mean grenade apple?

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


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I love you all

Pirate Radar posted:

Yeah, that's what I mean. It's a granatapfel in German, too. Wondering if the etymological link between the two things is also present in Chinese.

I would guess yes. My uneducated opinion based on the Chinese loan words I've encountered is that they try to imitate the sound with characters that reflect at least a literal meaning (雷射, leishe, thunder shoot, laser) and if they can't get the sounds close they'll go for just the characters (熱狗, regou, hot dog).

P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007

Atlas Hugged posted:

I would guess yes. My uneducated opinion based on the Chinese loan words I've encountered is that they try to imitate the sound with characters that reflect at least a literal meaning (雷射, leishe, thunder shoot, laser) and if they can't get the sounds close they'll go for just the characters (熱狗, regou, hot dog).

I wonder how old the word is, because in old Ming dynasty military texts they call primitive grenades huoqiu 火球, fire balls.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

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Pirate Radar posted:

Yeah, that's what I mean. It's a granatapfel in German, too. Wondering if the etymological link between the two things is also present in Chinese.

If I had to guess, grenade and hand grenade probably got turned into Chinese characters in Japan as 榴弾 and 手榴弾 by some Meiji Restoration era thinker directly from some European language, and that's why the pomegranate meaning carried over.

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

hakimashou posted:

does that mean grenade apple?

Yeah, so does pomegranate (pomme granate)

E: the names of the fruit came first, to be clear

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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^^fucker! :kimchi:

hakimashou posted:

does that mean grenade apple?

Pomegranate is a strange evolution / compound of the Latin derived word for apple (pomme in French) so... yes. It does!

ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es

hakimashou posted:


In my experience the best party trick you can do in China is write handsome cursive Chinese as a foreigner. It leads to a lot of WAAAHs.


how about using chopsticks or eating spicy food?

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

ladron posted:

how about using chopsticks or eating spicy food?

Eating spicy food is also the second-best party trick for a foreigner in Thailand. The best is speaking more than five words of Thai.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
so many fruits named after grenades

what did they call them before they invented grenades I wonder?

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

ladron posted:

how about using chopsticks or eating spicy food?

im sure somewhere someone has trained a monkey to use chopsticks, so it trumps that.

But legible writing? In Their Chinese, the One Actual Human Being Language? 50000 years old history? Invented Drinking Water to Satisfy Thirst?

ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es

hakimashou posted:

Invented Drinking Water to Satisfy Thirst?

wait this wasn't koreans Ive been lied to

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Porpoise noise continues.

ladron posted:

wait this wasn't koreans Ive been lied to

drinking water is so bad for you puleajuh durinkuh Purappucinosuh that is all we durinkuh in Land of Morning Calm *runs over your entire family with a Hyundai SUV that is absolutely necessary for taking your one kid down the block to school and back*


e: Hilarious racism aside, I've seen the splatter and it really seems like Koreans need to drink more water. Desperately dehydrated.

Fleta Mcgurn fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Feb 27, 2017

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Here's a thing about wumaos.

http://gking.harvard.edu/50c

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Mai Dong (Mai Men Dong, Ophiopogon Tuber, Radix Ophiopogonis, 麦冬) Product Details

What does it do?
In the term of Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM),

Property
Mai Dong is sweet, slightly bitter, slightly cold.

Channels
Mai Dong influences Heart, Lung, Stomach.

Action

Nourishes Yin and generates fluids.
Moistens the Lungs and clears the heart.

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax
With all of the Mainlanders going to universities in and around Boston, the Boston Chinatown really causes them to lose Face:

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
My best trick here is wearing shorts and t shirts in almost any weather. Breaking into full on English is also another neat trick.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
I am decently good at writing traditional Chinese characters and it is always fun to crack that out in front of mainlanders. "No, this is the proper way to write 'depressed'." (鬱 vs 郁)

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax
Oh, cool. I get to drown.
Those TCM explanations always bug the poo poo out of me, because they include undefined Yin and Yang hot/cold crap on top of totally-impossible scientific claims. "Washes Qi out of kidneys, dissolves acid crystals all over the body, and also removes all arthritis and rheumatism" for sipping a cup with 5gm of random forest weeds in hot water. Then someone is going to tell you this with a serious face, having never seen any results (except maybe some diarrhea) and thinks these claims are more legit than any other kind of thing (which does NOT claim to be so effective). Judging by how incompetent Chinese doctors are and the medical system here, I don't blame them.

Kopijeger posted:

Quite an assumption, that:
But, you see, China is the most unique and special country. Everything originated in China. Everything around the world is found in China always and forever, because China is the most important place in history, and through her benevolence the barbarian countries in the West have learned culture, food, writing, and government.

Duh.

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oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
My most awesome trick is not being able to read Chinese.

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