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MikeCrotch posted:There's a reason Dodd Frank existed instead of Glass Stiegel though, and the answer to that is "The Wall Street Lobby". In the words of Mark Blythe, if you tried to bring back Glass Stiegel, Jamie Dimon drops $1 billion on the laps of his lobbyists and gets it to go away forever. Wish someone would drop some $$$ to have him shot.
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I mean I would like to get rid of FPTP too.
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jBrereton posted:A voice to represent them... nowhere... because they aren't elected to positions of responsibility... makes u think
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Breath Ray posted:John said of those seeking to topple Jeremy 'It is more important to them that they regain control of the Party than it is to win elections.' This is true, though. Blair even literally stated this during one of his earlier interventions. Pretty much everything McDonnell said is obviously true. The fact that large sections of the media and PLP are trying to sabotage the leadership doesn't change the fact that Corbyn's team are doing a terrible job on their own, of course, it just exacerbates the issue.
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Feb 27, 2017 13:42
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The PLP hacked Jeremy's letterbox
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jBrereton posted:A voice to represent them... nowhere... because they aren't elected to positions of responsibility... The basic problem is that the Labour centre/right have not done enough to convince their base that they would represent them if elected. The insult 'red Tory' cuts to the heart of this - even if they believe that the centrists and right-wingers are more electable (not an easy sell in itself), that still doesn't mean they believe that electing them would actually do anything for them. From this perspective, the Labour primaries are as much an effort to restore the Labour Party to power as the general elections, because they do not feel that the centre and right are actually Labour in any meaningful way. In other words, if you simply want to pick the winning side without regard for policy, why not just vote Conservative?
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mfcrocker posted:So it's almost like most people would like a voice to represent them and are less fussed about winning elections That's great. Any chance they could use something other than the Labour Party to achieve this? Winning elections is what it's for.
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Feb 27, 2017 13:46
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Pissflaps posted:That's great. Any chance they could use something other than the Labour Party to achieve this? Winning elections is what it's for. alien but with jeremy's head on the chest burster
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Feb 27, 2017 13:48
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Darth Walrus posted:From this perspective, the Labour primaries are as much an effort to restore the Labour Party to power as the general elections, because they do not feel that the centre and right are actually Labour in any meaningful way. What are 'labour primaries'?
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Pissflaps posted:That's great. Any chance they could use something other than the Labour Party to achieve this? Winning elections is what it's for. What do you believe the purpose of the opposition parties is in Parliament, particularly when the government has a large majority?
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Feb 27, 2017 13:49
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Pisflaps and JBretoen remind me of Cannon & Ball.
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Pissflaps posted:That's great. Any chance they could use something other than the Labour Party to achieve this? Winning elections is what it's for. Then you must really hate the centrists and the PLP. They've done nothing but lose elections for the past decade.
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Darth Walrus posted:What do you believe the purpose of the opposition parties is in Parliament, particularly when the government has a large majority? What's that got to do with the perception that some in the Labour Party are not interested in winning elections? Kokoro Wish posted:Then you must really hate the centrists and the PLP. They've done nothing but lose elections for the past decade. Everyone in the PLP has, by definition, won an election.
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Feb 27, 2017 13:50
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Pissflaps posted:What are 'labour primaries'? The candidate selection processes for selecting the Labour candidate for various posts, from MPs to mayors and councillors. I've voted in a couple of them. Have you?
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Feb 27, 2017 13:51
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Pissflaps posted:What's that got to do with the perception that some in the Labour Party are not interested in winning elections? Answer the question.
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Darth Walrus posted:The candidate selection processes for selecting the Labour candidate for various posts, from MPs to mayors and councillors. I've voted in a couple of them. Have you? No I'm not a Labour Party member. They call them 'primaries'?
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Feb 27, 2017 13:52
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Darth Walrus posted:Answer the question. What question do you think you're answering?
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If I was obsessed with the Green Party I'd join them.
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Feb 27, 2017 13:53
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Pissflaps posted:No I'm not a Labour Party member. I'm not sure it's the technical term, but it's the one that was used at my CLP when we picked the mayoral candidate.
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Feb 27, 2017 13:54
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Truly what was needed to turn around the woes of the Copeland by-election result was Owen Smith going door to door around the constituency talking about how much money he made hawking drugs for Pzifer and how big his knob is A real Man of the People
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If I was obsessed with the Lib Dems I'd join them.
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Feb 27, 2017 13:55
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I sense somebody is going to attempt to join me.
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Feb 27, 2017 13:56
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Pissflaps posted:Everyone in the PLP has, by definition, won an election. i'd previously assumed that the name covered the Labour representatives in both houses of parliament. but that's not how people use it; it's just the Labour MPs. is there an equivalent name for the Labour Lords? or a good catch-all for both?
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OwlFancier posted:I mean I would like to get rid of FPTP too. if Labour had won in 2010 it would've been gone already :'(
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If I was obsessed with the Tories I'd join them.
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Jose posted:what are the odds that Hunt will actually turn up to answer the urgent question in commons?
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Cerv posted:if Labour had won in 2010 it would've been gone already :'( Would it?
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Cerv posted:if Labour had won in 2010 it would've been gone already :'( Electoral reform was one of the first issues Blair broke Labour's promises on. People who get elected by a system tend to think it's just great as it is.
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Darth Walrus posted:In other words, if you simply want to pick the winning side without regard for policy, why not just vote Conservative?
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Feb 27, 2017 14:33
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jBrereton posted:Because they aren't the same policies by a long stretch, and the 90 or so % of (elected, mind you) MPs who no-confidence'd Corbyn know that just as much as they know he's poison for the party. its a shame they all are as well. what a miserable state the PLP is in
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Feb 27, 2017 14:35
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Jose posted:its a shame they all are as well. what a miserable state the PLP is in
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Jose posted:its a shame they all are as well. what a miserable state the PLP is in Do you think Labour would be better off without MPs?
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If I was obsessed with UKIP I'd join them.
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Darth Walrus posted:In other words, if you simply want to pick the winning side without regard for policy, why not just vote Conservative? Answer this question Pissflaps.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Answer this question Pissflaps. Who would the troops vote for?
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Regarde Aduck posted:Answer this question Pissflaps. Sure. I don't want to pick the winning side without regard for policy. I want a Labour government protecting and growing our public services, not a Tory government destroying them. (...you realise Darth Walrus didn't direct that question at me, right?)
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Dodged like Neo.
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Pissflaps posted:Do you think Labour would be better off without MPs? No i think labour would be better off with good, capable MP's
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Jose posted:No i think labour would be better off with good, capable MP's In what way do you find labour MPs bad and incapable?
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