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Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Solemn Sloth posted:

Is Andrew hastie the ex soldier? I can only assume he picked up syphilis on tour, never got treated and this divine right spiel is the result

Creationist

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hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Lid posted:

Creationist

Urgh, at least Syphilis is treatable.

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



Did none of you read the part that its release was authorized by someone extremely high up the chain, not just a random?

I'm not saying it's a good thing, it is in fact extremely bad, but that doesn't change that it was a senior decision

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

We're talking senior counsel and discretionary powers. They've just demonstrated that noone is safe if they criticise and they've just lost the PR war forever. Turnbull's government is now doomed. Way to loving go, chumps.

KennyTheFish
Jan 13, 2004

DancingShade posted:

If I was an APS3 schmuck I'd only do that with written instructions to cover my own rear end then hang them out to dry.

My guess it was as SES equivalent acting through their EA because SES people consider themselves above the rules and EAs usually don't know what the rules are.

loving scum move though. Absolute scum.

The guardian article says the conditions it was released under. this was a deputy secretary and signed off by the lawyers.

fiery_valkyrie
Mar 26, 2003

I'm proud of you, Bender. Sure, you lost. You lost bad. But the important thing is I beat up someone who hurt my feelings in high school.

KennyTheFish posted:

The guardian article says the conditions it was released under. this was a deputy secretary and signed off by the lawyers.

Via the ministers office. From the article...

quote:

The information was approved for release by a deputy secretary. The department’s head of legal services and general counsel both said they were comfortable with the release of the information. It was then provided to Fairfax Media by the office of the human services minister, Alan Tudge.

The Deadly Hume
May 26, 2004

Let's get a little crazy. Let's have some fun.
As an exercise, consider what parts of the APS Values and Code of Conduct (particularly Section 1: Working with the Government and the Parliament) they're driven a tank over to have this sordid little hit-piece put out.

http://www.apsc.gov.au/publications-and-media/current-publications/aps-values-and-code-of-conduct-in-practice/government-and-parliament

This is an absolute disgrace. Tudge must go.

The Deadly Hume fucked around with this message at 07:49 on Feb 27, 2017

The Deadly Hume
May 26, 2004

Let's get a little crazy. Let's have some fun.
Of course the head of the APSC is an ex-IPA stooge so don't expect him to do poo poo.

Paingod556
Nov 8, 2011

Not a problem, sir

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Yeah, he's the guy that won in the Canning by-election.

Who the Libs transferred from over east to run for it, and the one any criticism of is rebutted with 'why are you mean to are troops?'

Basically, gently caress that guy.

adamantium|wang
Sep 14, 2003

Missing you

quote:

The Turnbull government has overruled an independent selection panel to appoint the chairwoman of the Minerals Council to the ABC board.

Communications Minister Mitch Fifield said Vanessa Guthrie has the "requisite skills" to be on the board, despite not making the final list of recommendations put forward by the Nomination Panel for ABC and SBS Board Appointments.

The five-year appointment comes amid heated political debate about the role of fossil fuels and renewable energy in Australia, and follows government criticism of the public broadcaster's coverage of coal mining and energy security.

The Perth-based Dr Guthrie has more than 30 years of experience in the mining and resources industries, holding a variety of senior executive roles at Alcoa, Woodside Energy and Goldfields Limited.

:shepicide:

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Wouldn't want to go interfering with independent bodies processes now would we Mr. Turnbull, better to abide by their decision regarding penalty rates instead of politicising the process.

Resident Idiot
May 11, 2007

Maxine13
Grimey Drawer

Starshark posted:

Yeah, if there's one thing Centrelink didn't skimp on when I was there (this was over a decade ago now, who knows what it's like now) was privacy. You can't even look at your own record without raising flags and starting investigations. If you just looked at - say - Kylie Minogue's record just to see if she ever claimed parenting payment, you MIGHT get out with your job (but probably a demotion), but giving info to the media was a biiig no-no. So like I said, unless things changed, that's a sacking. It's also illegal but the only time I heard of someone going to jail was when someone was caught giving info to a private investigator for money - don't know if leaking to the media quite covers that territory.

KennyTheFish posted:

The guardian article says the conditions it was released under. this was a deputy secretary and signed off by the lawyers.

Yeah, Starshark is right for what would happen to someone up to probably the EL2 level, but nobody's losing their job (or even being yelled at, probably) over this one.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

DancingShade posted:

My guess it was as SES equivalent acting through their EA because SES people consider themselves above the rules and EAs usually don't know what the rules are.
Rubbish. With a couple of notable exceptions the EA's are the ones with the real smarts who actually hold things together for the arse clowns who are too busy preening themselves to actually read their own exec summaries (researched and typed by the allegedly ignorant EAs).

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Straight from the Minister to you!



It's legal but it sure as hell ain't reelectable.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Cartoon posted:

Rubbish. With a couple of notable exceptions the EA's are the ones with the real smarts who actually hold things together for the arse clowns who are too busy preening themselves to actually read their own exec summaries (researched and typed by the allegedly ignorant EAs).

Not the EAs I know. I'm envious of yours.

ewe2 posted:

Straight from the Minister to you!



It's legal but it sure as hell ain't reelectable.

When I become Minister of Health I'm going to authorise the release of every medical record going back 100 years because gently caress it.

And if I become Minister of Defence I'll just declassify everything with a pen stroke and order it all put online. Double Triple down on the retard.

DancingShade fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Feb 27, 2017

adamantium|wang
Sep 14, 2003

Missing you
He was boasting about it too

https://twitter.com/AlanTudgeMP/status/835619955013902336

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
As the old saying probably goes, those who forget the immediate past are doomed to repeat it exactly 12 months later.

At this exact time last year the leader of the opposition, Bill Shorten, was criticising Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull for his inability to control his backbench following a provocative speech by Tony Abbott. If this sounds familiar it's because it's happened with impressive regularity every couple of weeks since September 2015.

But there's something that you might have missed in all the sound and fury. And it is this: there's a good chance that 2017 will close with Peter Dutton as our next prime minister.

Tony Abbott knows it, which is why he's desperately attempting to assert some sort of authority over the Liberal Party with his hilarious five point plan, aka the Do As I Say And Not Literally As I Did Back When I Was In Power God Please Look At Me list.

If the Liberals plan to get rid of Turnbull – and the horror polls today are telling them that something needs to change if they plan on maintaining government, and they've shown that they're not remotely willing to do something as cowardly as change their actual policies – then the conservatives have to have a provide a plausible leadership contender, and that talent pool is both shallow and tepid.

Dutton, however, has so many advantages for a Liberal Party splitting under internal beefs, fracturing with its Coalition partners and terrified of the rise of One Nation. For example:

1. He's not remotely clever

Abbott and Turnbull were both Rhodes scholars, and Turnbull's big selling point was that he understood complicated things like the economy and policy.

That "knowing what you're talking about" thing is so 2015: these days you need a leader who can't construct a coherent sentence, neither understands nor trusts data, and who angrily follows their basest instincts and bitterest feelings rather than good sense or basic logic.

The man accidentally sent a text to the person it was about. He thinks climate change is an insensitive, poorly delivered joke. He can't even express policy in his own portfolio without it being wrong.

That's Trump. That's Hanson. That's Dutton.

2. He was making a point of not caring about vulnerable people before it was cool

Most of the Liberal Party have the grave disadvantage of having at least made lip service to the rights of Muslims or the successes of multiculturalism in the past.

Dutton, meanwhile, walked out on the apology to the Stolen Generation, has deported New Zealanders to Christmas Island, and there's the deaths, assaults and rapes that have occurred to those held in offshore detention on his watch.

Heck, has Pauline Hanson stripped legal aid from asylum seekers and then given them an impossible deadline to complete their highly detailed legal documents to prove their refugee status?

If today's conservative voter is looking for a leader ready to teach them uppity immigrants/original inhabitants a thing or two, Dutton is head and shoulders above the fray.

3. The right of the party have literally no choice

The Coalition is hanging by a thread at the moment and needs someone that can unite the terrified, angry, populist elements of the Nationals and the Liberals - and as a Queenslander who is technically a member of both parties, Dutton can bring the angry, angry healing.

But his biggest advantage is that the government have no other choice right now.

Turnbull neatly hobbled his two most obvious rivals when he took power by making deputy Liberal leader Julie Bishop seem disloyal by association, and guaranteed Scott Morrison couldn't possibly challenge by making him treasurer. It's a poisoned chalice, for anyone that does well in the role just makes the PM look smart for having appointed them, and anyone who does badly in the role - like, say, Morrison - ruins any credibility they might have had.

Of the next generation of Liberal high-flyers, Josh Frydenberg's not ready for the gig, and Christian Porter is almost certainly about to plonked into the attorney-general chair when Turnbull announces in the next few weeks that George Brandis is taking a well-deserved trip to become the new UK High Commissioner, rather than stick around and be implicated in the increasingly dangerous-looking investigation into the Bell Group.

And sure, it's hard to imagine that Dutton will lead the Coalition to anything other than a landslide defeat - but won't it be exciting to finally have someone to replace Billy MacMahon as Australia's greatest joke of a PM?

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
A brain dead potato PM for a brain dead potato country.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

All hail Mr Potato Head.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
lol if you don't think Australia is dumb enough to get behind deter putton

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.
He used to be a detective you know.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
It's why you don't discuss criminal conspiracies in veggie patches, the corn has ears and Dutton could be hiding under your feet.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Zenithe posted:

He used to be a detective you know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwM_aQyBgSw

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Also Christ Fairfax are pathetic excuses for journalists, as bad as news corp

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Solemn Sloth posted:

Also Christ Fairfax are pathetic excuses for journalists, as bad as news corp

I get better written articles with more thought and insight from random bloggers.

Newspapers are bin liners, nothing more.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Coincidentally I finally got around to subscribing to crikey this week

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

This is your gentle reminder to sign up for booth duty if you are in WA

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Solemn Sloth posted:

Also Christ Fairfax are pathetic excuses for journalists, as bad as news corp

All media is bad.

Bring in the glorious Communist regime this country demands, and make all political journalists and staff of News Corpse work in camps for the rest of their lives.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Holy lol the unions are running a Robocall on penalty rates in George Christensen's electorate.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Holy lol the unions are running a Robocall on penalty rates in George Christensen's electorate.

Really not a fan of robocalls but still, lol.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


I hate to be someone who links to their own Twitter but the GF and I ended up in a YouTube hole tonight and how is it that 1994 knew more than the current government?

https://twitter.com/adambailey27/status/836181123432493058

Pile Of Garbage
May 28, 2007



poo poo but followed

SadisTech
Jun 26, 2013

Clem.
https://theaimn.com/lnp-welfare-card-true-facts-exposed-corruption-disguised-philanthropy/

This is rather a wall-of-text, but still worth reading. If the allegations within are true, it speaks to astounding levels of corruption with no mechanism to address them. No sources are provided in the article, however. Does anyone with a deeper understanding of these issues care to comment?

quote:

In effect, LNP members and supporters are obtaining benefits from government funds that are intended for the welfare of Australian citizens. Public money is being transferred to private individuals and corporations with deep connections with the LNP in exchange for no apparent benefit to the public and in exchange for donations to the LNP. Given that the legal definition of corruption includes the conduct of a public official who uses his position to procure some benefit for himself or for another person, contrary to his duty and to the rights of others, and that may involve collusion, it is open to conclude that the LNP Welfare Card programme is little more than that. That is, corruption.

Unfortunately, with the very weak democracy we have in Australia, there is no way to hold those involved in this scam to account or to have any corruption independently investigated or prosecuted at a federal level. No federal ICAC or anti-corruption body exists. Only the Federal Police can investigate corruption as the criminal offence of defrauding the Commonwealth. Given that the Federal Police are controlled by the LNP Government and beholding to the LNP Government for their funding, and given the LNP and its cronies are the beneficiaries of the card programme, any such investigation by the Federal Police is unlikely to ever occur.

aejix
Sep 18, 2007

It's about finding that next group of core players we can win with in the next 6, 8, 10 years. Let's face it, it's hard for 20-, 21-, 22-year-olds to lead an NHL team. Look at the playoffs.

That quote is from fucking 2018. Fuck you Jim
Pillbug

quote:

George Brandis is taking a well-deserved trip to become the new UK High Commissioner, rather than stick around and be implicated in the increasingly dangerous-looking investigation into the Bell Group.

This pisses me off almost more than anything else about politics. Act like a corrupt shitweasel, and if you never get caught, great, otherwise you get rewarded for at least making the effort by being given a complete do-nothing job that amounts to little more than a lunch club membership on a staggering salary. George Brandis is a complete oval office.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Labor’s Clare O’Neil has defended Bill Shorten’s position on penalty rates, claiming he had only said he would stand by the decision of the Fair Work Commission on penalty rates because it was assumed the commission would not recommend cutting them.

This is not a good argument.

adamantium|wang
Sep 14, 2003

Missing you
First Dog:


JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
I hate first dog on the moon. Pope owns though.

AgentF
May 11, 2009
How can Pope be so consistently good?

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Because he isn't a racist brain damaged poo poo lord like Bill Leak, or someone who doesn't know how to communicate visually in a cartoon like First Dog on the Moon

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Chadzok
Apr 25, 2002

you'd think at some point, the Liberal party and the idiot media egging them on would consider that a change of policies, rather than a change of leadership, might be a possible solution.

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