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Coldforge
Oct 29, 2002

I knew it would be bad.
I didn't know it would be so stupid.

TheChirurgeon posted:

Also probably, but then again, Chip also chose to start Blaine Gabbert for five games, to the tune of a 68.4 passer rating


His only other option at that point was Christian Ponder.

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TheChirurgeon
Aug 7, 2002

Remember how good you are
Taco Defender
Kaepernick wasn't too hurt to play for all five of those games

King Hong Kong
Nov 6, 2009

For we'll fight with a vim
that is dead sure to win.

He also had a better winning percentage in the first five games than in the remaining eleven, so I'm not sure that is necessarily the right indictment of his abilities.

Coldforge
Oct 29, 2002

I knew it would be bad.
I didn't know it would be so stupid.

TheChirurgeon posted:

Kaepernick wasn't too hurt to play for all five of those games

He wasn't cleared by his own doctor to even practice until the very end of July, and I can't remember the date the team's doctors cleared him. The word from the coaches (and all the beat reporters backed it up) was that he was having trouble because of lost muscle mass while recovering from surgery; you may recall the reports of arm fatigue/"dead" arm. They started him just about as soon as they physically could.

TheChirurgeon
Aug 7, 2002

Remember how good you are
Taco Defender

King Hong Kong posted:

He also had a better winning percentage in the first five games than in the remaining eleven, so I'm not sure that is necessarily the right indictment of his abilities.

Sure, in that both wins were over the Rams so if you compare 5 games to 11 games, it's gonna look bad I guess?



Coldforge posted:

He wasn't cleared by his own doctor to even practice until the very end of July, and I can't remember the date the team's doctors cleared him. The word from the coaches (and all the beat reporters backed it up) was that he was having trouble because of lost muscle mass while recovering from surgery; you may recall the reports of arm fatigue/"dead" arm. They started him just about as soon as they physically could.

I know he wasn't cleared to practice until July, but I think you're forgetting a fairly large part of the whole ordeal was the contract renegotiation. Per Rotoworld, in October:

Rotoworld posted:

Bleacher Report's Jason Cole reports the 49ers are expected to guarantee Colin Kaepernick's remaining per-week roster bonuses as part of Kaepernick's restructured deal.
It's widely believed one of the reasons Kap has been riding the bench is that his 2017 contract is guaranteed for injury only. The Niners didn't want to risk Kap getting hurt and getting stuck with his 2017 $16.5 million salary. A restructure makes sense for both sides. Kap wouldn't have seen next year's money without a new deal. Now he should at least get to play. Coach Chip Kelly has yet to officially announce Kap as his Week 6 starter, but it seems likely.

Coldforge
Oct 29, 2002

I knew it would be bad.
I didn't know it would be so stupid.

TheChirurgeon posted:

I know he wasn't cleared to practice until July, but I think you're forgetting a fairly large part of the whole ordeal was the contract renegotiation. Per Rotoworld, in October:

Kap started his first game of the season on Oct 16.

Edit: Ninja edit on the date! vvvv It wasn't a fairly large part of the ordeal if he only missed a game (maybe 2?) because of it, is my point. Contract negotiations also don't reflect on Chip Kelly, which is my larger point.

Coldforge fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Feb 27, 2017

TheChirurgeon
Aug 7, 2002

Remember how good you are
Taco Defender

Coldforge posted:

Kap started his first game of the season on Oct 11.

Yeah, that was written on October 7th, right before his first start. The point is that his first start happened to come right after the 49ers renegotiated his contract to be protected in 2017 if Kaep got hurt.

e: I guess you could argue that Kelly couldn't *really* start Kaep given the situation with his contract, but it's not like kowtowing bought him another season

TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Feb 27, 2017

D-LINK
Oct 1, 2007

I was talking to peachy Peach about kissy Kiss. He bought me a soda.
Le'Veon Bell has been franchise tagged

Chromatic
Jan 21, 2005

You guys ready to hear a satanic song?
uhhhhhh, bye poe.

this tag will look splendid on you mr. berry. hope you weren't bluffing about sitting out.

https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/836327992464932870

No Butt Stuff
Jun 10, 2004

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/836327122167705600

What the gently caress

Chromatic
Jan 21, 2005

You guys ready to hear a satanic song?
we just signed a socialist doctor who says "eh?" to a deal that would make him the 4th highest paid guard in the league

27th rated guard and 44th in run blocking

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Kiffin deserves a mention for shittiest coach

Chromatic
Jan 21, 2005

You guys ready to hear a satanic song?
https://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/status/836328926918094849

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
I hope that guy sucks

No Butt Stuff
Jun 10, 2004

How the why the

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004

https://twitter.com/PFTCommenter/status/836332182402629636

Salvor_Hardin
Sep 13, 2005

I want to go protest.
Nap Ghost
As a primarily NBA fan it blows my mind that 5/$41M is considered a huge payday. That would maybe buy you a mid to low tier back up that plays 10min a game.

King Hong Kong
Nov 6, 2009

For we'll fight with a vim
that is dead sure to win.

TheChirurgeon posted:

Sure, in that both wins were over the Rams so if you compare 5 games to 11 games, it's gonna look bad I guess?


I know he wasn't cleared to practice until July, but I think you're forgetting a fairly large part of the whole ordeal was the contract renegotiation. Per Rotoworld, in October:

I don't think any of us are arguing that Chip was a good coach but you are really trying to reach to find examples of his bad coaching and his handling of the dismal quarterback situation on the 49ers is not really one of them.

Chromatic
Jan 21, 2005

You guys ready to hear a satanic song?

Salvor_Hardin posted:

As a primarily NBA fan it blows my mind that 5/$41M is considered a huge payday. That would maybe buy you a mid to low tier back up that plays 10min a game.

Isn't there a lot less dudes on a basketball team tho

TheChirurgeon
Aug 7, 2002

Remember how good you are
Taco Defender

Salvor_Hardin posted:

As a primarily NBA fan it blows my mind that 5/$41M is considered a huge payday. That would maybe buy you a mid to low tier back up that plays 10min a game.

The NFL has an incredibly weak players' union

Spring Break My Heart
Feb 15, 2012

Chromatic posted:

Isn't there a lot less dudes on a basketball team tho
Yes, and there's a big pay difference between guards and the more prestigious positions, but the NFL players are still getting ripped off.

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet

Chromatic posted:

Isn't there a lot less dudes on a basketball team tho

NBA's salary cap this season is $94.14 million for 15 guys (at most), so $6.3M/person
NFL's salary cap last season was $155.27 for 53 guys, $2.9M/person

Plus all the other stuff the guys above me alluded too.

Grittybeard
Mar 29, 2010

Bad, very bad!
So if I were to meet Laurent Duvarney-Tardif after he gets his doctorate now that he's signed this huge deal, do I have to address him as Dr. Duvarney-Tardif? I mean, that's just hard to say even if he was an average doctor. Let alone someone I'm going to have to argue about football things on message boards for years since apparently he's the future in KC.

(I'm waiting on the guaranteed money before I freak out a whole lot about this)

Detroit_Dogg
Feb 2, 2008
Aaron Rodgers is gay and lame and oh please cum in me Aaron PLEASE I NEED IT OH STAFFORD YOUR COCK IS NOT WORTHY ONLY THE GAYEST RODGERS PRICK CAN SATISFY MY DESPERATE THROAT
Also they have to compensate the basketball players for playing in a vastly inferior sport

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

whypick1 posted:

NBA's salary cap this season is $94.14 million for 15 guys (at most), so $6.3M/person
NFL's salary cap last season was $155.27 for 53 guys, $2.9M/person

Plus all the other stuff the guys above me alluded too.

F1 drivers get paid well over 10 million, so it sounds like both the NBA and the NFL are hoarding all their moneys.

TheChirurgeon
Aug 7, 2002

Remember how good you are
Taco Defender

Volkerball posted:

F1 drivers get paid well over 10 million, so it sounds like both the NBA and the NFL are hoarding all their moneys.

No man don't you understand those poor owners are barely staying solvent as it is

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Volkerball posted:

F1 drivers get paid well over 10 million, so it sounds like both the NBA and the NFL are hoarding all their moneys.

The NFL should try out having Pay-players. Maybe the Browns could finally have a healthy roster of quarterbacks!

TheChirurgeon
Aug 7, 2002

Remember how good you are
Taco Defender
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/836342064291827712

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/836343306326065152

D-LINK
Oct 1, 2007

I was talking to peachy Peach about kissy Kiss. He bought me a soda.
AB signed

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000788040/article/steelers-sign-antonio-brown-to-fiveyear-extension

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



That looks like a good, fair contract for a guy as good as AB.

D-LINK
Oct 1, 2007

I was talking to peachy Peach about kissy Kiss. He bought me a soda.
Hahaha holy poo poo that AB contract wtf

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

wtf literally, as ESPN and NFL Network can't even agree on how many years the contract is.

Chromatic
Jan 21, 2005

You guys ready to hear a satanic song?
Clark Hunt: Alex Smith is going to be our starter in 2017

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/27/chiefs-owner-backs-alex-smith-as-his-starting-quarterback/

uhghhhhhh

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?

MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:

Hahaha holy poo poo that AB contract wtf
Yinzers are going to be really salty about it too since they hate the idea of good players getting paid for their worth.

LiquidFriend
Apr 5, 2005

I knew they liked Ldt more than fans did, but jesus poo poo.

Fate Accomplice
Nov 30, 2006




Volkerball posted:

F1 drivers get paid well over 10 million, so it sounds like both the NBA and the NFL are hoarding all their moneys.

Formula 1 is also the second most popular sport on earth, and on a per-event basis by far the most watched sport on earth.

fsif
Jul 18, 2003


A thousand seasons of Blaine Gabberts to the fanbases who cast aside perfectly good quarterbacks.

Chromatic
Jan 21, 2005

You guys ready to hear a satanic song?

fsif posted:

A thousand seasons of Blaine Gabberts to the fanbases who cast aside perfectly good quarterbacks.

15 td and 7 interceptions.

Any team should be looking to do better when an 11 year vet puts up those numbers.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

ketchup vs catsup posted:

Formula 1 is also the second most popular sport on earth, and on a per-event basis by far the most watched sport on earth.

irrelevant

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D-LINK
Oct 1, 2007

I was talking to peachy Peach about kissy Kiss. He bought me a soda.

achillesforever6 posted:

Yinzers are going to be really salty about it too since they hate the idea of good players getting paid for their worth.

NGL, that's a frightening number, but he deserves to be paid

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