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having kids in developed nations is good the population needs to be replenished
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Moridin920 posted:
no its engineering.
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 00:43 |
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Go into a Panera and they have self-order kiosks and no one uses them, even when the line is like 5 deep. Self-checkouts are prone to theft and also requires people to stand there helping anyway, it reduces labor somewhat but not absolutely I can't believe that there are people who go through self checkout lines and don't steal. At the very least ring up organic produce as regular.
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Guy Goodbody posted:At the very least ring up organic produce as regular. drat that's a good idea
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 00:44 |
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Moridin920 posted:That's a whole big rear end crock of some capitalist ideology for you btw. quote:The tragedy of the commons develops in this way. Picture a pasture open to all. It is to be expected that each herdsman will try to keep as many cattle as possible on the commons. Such an arrangement may work reasonably satisfactorily for centuries because tribal wars, poaching, and disease keep the numbers of both man and beast well below the carrying capacity of the land. Finally, however, comes the day of reckoning, that is, the day when the long-desired goal of social stability becomes a reality. At this point, the inherent logic of the commons remorselessly generates tragedy. Garrett Hardin says the only answer to this is "relinquishing the freedom to breed." How that in any way is a capitalistic notion is beyond me. Giving economic incentives, as you suggest, would simply mean less genes from people who give a drat about the world's future. If anything yours is the hellscape capitalist future (which is probably more likely).
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 00:45 |
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SHISHKABOB posted:no its engineering. As in 'it's an engineering problem?' I think you'll find that it is ultimately a capitalism problem tbh. GREAT SATAN posted:Garrett Hardin says the only answer to this is "relinquishing the freedom to breed." How that in any way is a capitalistic notion is beyond me. Giving economic incentives, as you suggest, would simply mean less genes from people who give a drat about the world's future. If anything yours is the hellscape capitalist future (which is probably more likely). The entire thing is predicated on an erroneous assumption about the tragedy of the commons and his solution is "only through 100% privatization is the tragedy of the commons avoided." His point that the commons have been increasingly restricted because population increases is false, pretty much entirely. He in particular seems fascist, to me, between the pro-eugenics by forced sterilization and "don't give Ethiopia food, they need this famine bc they have too large of a population!" quote:Giving economic incentives, as you suggest, would simply mean less genes from people who give a drat about the world's future. If anything yours is the hellscape capitalist future (which is probably more likely). Mine would actually work to discourage people having kids, though. None of that other stuff will. We don't need the genes from everyone; iirc the stable population size in terms of genetic diversity is like a few hundred thousand. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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Moridin920 posted:As in 'it's an engineering problem?' I think you'll find that it is ultimately a capitalism problem tbh. wut
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 00:46 |
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What do you mean by "no it's engineering?"
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 00:47 |
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Moridin920 posted:What do you mean by "no it's engineering?" I mean my "problem" is the question: how do you organize and distribute the resources of the earth to a population of billions. U solve that using engineering.
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 00:49 |
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This thread isn't about Trump anymore, is it?
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 00:49 |
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SHISHKABOB posted:I mean my "problem" is the question: how do you organize and distribute the resources of the earth to a population of billions. Sure but you need motivation to solve that problem in the first place. Lots of people would say it isn't even a problem because you need exploited 3rd worlders to maintain our relative wealth therefore there must always be broke rear end miserable people because that's life and reality. Then they say trying to fix that is dicking with the free market and socialism and blah blah blah.
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Moridin920 posted:Sure but you need motivation to solve that problem in the first place. Lots of people would say it isn't even a problem because you need exploited 3rd worlders to maintain our relative wealth therefore there must always be broke rear end miserable people because that's life and reality. OK I see what you mean.
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Moridin920 posted:As in 'it's an engineering problem?' I think you'll find that it is ultimately a capitalism problem tbh. I really want to agree with you because the picture he paints is so bleak, but I'm still not seeing your point. There's a finite amount of resources on the planet. Therefore Earth has a maximum carrying capacity. The closer we get to that number, the less there will be for all us.
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 00:51 |
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GREAT SATAN posted:I really want to agree with you because the picture he paints is so bleak, but I'm still not seeing your point. There's a finite amount of resources on the planet. Therefore Earth has a maximum carrying capacity. The closer we get to that number, the less there will be for all us. I'm not arguing against a max carrying capacity, I'm simply saying his solution to the tragedy of the commons is erroneous because it is based on a false assumption; that the commons have been restricted increasingly because of a larger population. I mean sure, we can def fish out the oceans if we're a bunch of idiots. He says though, that instead of a central regulator going "ok people, we can fish X% amount of fish and no more!" we privatize all fisheries/oceans. Obviously there is a finite amount of like, oil, but that doesn't mean that the most efficient way to use up all that oil is through privatization + capitalism. Obviously if the oil is just up for grabs and everyone tries to get as much as possible for themselves, you get waste/inefficiency/etc (the tragedy of the commons) but there is more than one way to skin a cat is all. This dude is acting like cooperation wrt our commons = assured destruction. e: quote:Garrett Hardin says the only answer to this is "relinquishing the freedom to breed." How that in any way is a capitalistic notion is beyond me. To be clear, that part isn't capitalist. The underlying assumptions he uses to get to that conclusion are what I'm taking issue with. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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Guy Goodbody posted:This thread isn't about Trump anymore, is it? this thread is shrodinger's Trump, he is both hosed and not hosed at the same time.
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 00:56 |
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From Trump to eugenics, wow. This thread has it all! P.S. any time someone complains about overpopulation you know they aren't talking about their sister's bouncing blue eyed baby, they mean those other people should stop having kids. You know. Them.
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 00:57 |
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the joke is that there is probably enough oil deposits in the world to power all of humanity until the earth turns into Venus from the greenhouse gases twice also lol maximum carrying capacity. that's a parameter that has been regularly upscaled by these interesting variables such as technological advancement and like sustainability as well as energy efficiency
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 00:57 |
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:the joke is that there is probably enough oil deposits in the world to power all of humanity until the earth turns into Venus from the greenhouse gases twice Ultimately I'm an optimist in this regard and I don't think overpopulation leading to a cursed ruined Earth devoid of resources needed to make live anything but a short brutal struggle is really a problem we need to worry about. We're far more likely to overpollute the place and choke on our own filth before that happens.
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 00:59 |
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Tiny Deer posted:From Trump to eugenics, wow. This thread has it all!
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 01:00 |
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Was Trump ousted out of office over the weekend? I was playing video games and wasn't paying attention. I assume there wasn't a nuclear holocaust because everyone is still posting.
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 01:01 |
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Tiny Deer posted:From Trump to eugenics, wow. This thread has it all! if this reasoning makes them more likely to subsidise contraception in these other countries i'm all for it tbh
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 01:02 |
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Not nearly enough poors in the US.
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 01:04 |
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:the joke is that there is probably enough oil deposits in the world to power all of humanity until the earth turns into Venus from the greenhouse gases twice "The naive question, 'What is the human carrying capacity of the earth?' evokes a reply that is of no human use. No thoughtful person is willing to assume that mere animal survival is acceptable when the animal is Homo sapiens. We want to know what the environment will carry in the way of cultural amenities, where the word culture is taken in the anthropological sense to include all of the artifacts of human existence: institutions, buildings, customs, inventions, knowledge... When dealing with human problems, I propose that we abandon the term carrying capacity in favor of cultural carrying capacity or, more briefly cultural capacity." lol we can all just eat soylent and live in apartments in megalopolises. that's fine with me, sure
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e: I may have misread that post? either way have a good night everyone Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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Moridin920 posted:e: I may have misread that post? nice chat, friendo. i think you had a legitimate point with your rebuttal btw
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 01:28 |
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Guy Goodbody posted:I can't believe that there are people who go through self checkout lines and don't steal. At the very least ring up organic produce as regular. I swear, I thought I hit the right button... this gosh darn computer
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Toadvine posted:I think many of you are vastly overestimating how fast automation is going to take over. Even food kiosks are buggy and aggravatingly slow, nevermind any automation that requires even the slightest bit of creative/reactive thinking. I think there will begin to be more communities that get back to noncomputerized living. Not quite no zippers like the Amish, but back to as many things that would survive an emp attack as possible. It is getting easier and easier to knock us back to the stoneages. Hopefully people will start to wake up to how fragile we are making our existance. All that said, the best thing for the planet is for humans to die off and let it heal itself.
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Fog Tripper posted:I think there will begin to be more communities that get back to noncomputerized living. Not quite no zippers like the Amish, but back to as many things that would survive an emp attack as possible. It is getting easier and easier to knock us back to the stoneages. Hopefully people will start to wake up to how fragile we are making our existance. thanks Alex jones I can't wait to see your next video
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 03:02 |
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Fog Tripper posted:I think there will begin to be more communities that get back to noncomputerized living. Not quite no zippers like the Amish, but back to as many things that would survive an emp attack as possible. It is getting easier and easier to knock us back to the stoneages. Hopefully people will start to wake up to how fragile we are making our existance. i believe that will happen too. right after a nuclear war wipes out civilization as we know it.
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 03:04 |
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Kjoery posted:the McDonalds at which i purchase my monthly McFlurry(c) has three self-order touchscreens. virtually everyone uses them in lieu of the cashier (there's never a lineup at the till). not sayin' that this is going to be the rule, but its definitely catching on from what random hyperbole i can provide really cause i buy coffee from one a lot and they are so infrequently used they dont even bother turning them on anymore lol
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 03:28 |
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Fog Tripper posted:I think there will begin to be more communities that get back to noncomputerized living. Not quite no zippers like the Amish, but back to as many things that would survive an emp attack as possible. It is getting easier and easier to knock us back to the stoneages. Hopefully people will start to wake up to how fragile we are making our existance. But not you, right You get to keep all your nice poo poo you worked so hard for
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 03:29 |
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nigga crab pollock posted:really cause i buy coffee from one a lot and they are so infrequently used they dont even bother turning them on anymore lol He's from Canada they do things differently up there
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Fog Tripper posted:I think there will begin to be more communities that get back to noncomputerized living. Not quite no zippers like the Amish, but back to as many things that would survive an emp attack as possible. It is getting easier and easier to knock us back to the stoneages. Hopefully people will start to wake up to how fragile we are making our existance. lol you do know that 'emp attacks' are full blown nuclear attacks right we're more likely to get that poo poo knocked out by a solar flare than human incident
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 03:46 |
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trump is still president lmao, keep reaching for the stars hillary supporters
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 03:47 |
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nigga crab pollock posted:
This is one of those lurking-in-the-shadows natural disasters it's best not to think about. Much like Yellowstone or a rogue tsunami
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 03:48 |
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thathonkey posted:i believe that will happen too. Solar storm could happen any time. If some bunch of ppl want to harden themselves against that, it'd be pretty cool. Sort of reminds me of how Buddhism has schools where different ppl will commit themselves to repeating a single activity in total discipline to see if there's a path to Nirvana through [jerkin it].
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 03:55 |
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im gonna go achieve coronal mass ejaculation
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 04:01 |
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thathonkey posted:i believe that will happen too. I call dibs on Mad Max as my post-apocalyptic name. Suck it losers.
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 04:32 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN1kJV59QCw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWpWGVE6PUE&t=8s
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# ? Feb 28, 2017 04:49 |
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# ? May 27, 2024 04:13 |
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Yes, strawmen. Like, for real, when people say other people shouldn't reproduce they have some group in mind for who especially shouldn't --be it black people, poor people, the disabled, people who like steak well done. I realize calling the baby blue-eyed made it sound like it was exclusively about white people hating minorities, which isn't exclusively true at all. It's just anyone that the eugenicist doesn't like.
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