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D_Smart posted:They're not using Amazon Payments. They are using PayPal and some other PCI compliant payment processor. I know. I was just remarking about how it's "such a big partnership", yet Amazon is like "Crowdfunding? Get out of here with that bullshit."
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neonbregna posted:Stop spreading fud Well, Hellion is a buggy mess right now. But at least I can mine! EDIT: And I love Hellion's orbital mechanics (It's like Kerbal Space Program had a baby with Rust.) MinorInconvenience fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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IncredibleIgloo posted:At least there is always some money in the banana stand. did you burn down the banana stand? oh most definitely
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neonbregna posted:Has anyone let them know that Conan has dong slider tech? Quiet you!
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MinorInconvenience posted:Oh my. This whole saga is insanity manifest. I am speechless. And a little ashamed I (in a very small way) contributed to this mess. (And thanks for pointing me to this.)  it's so cute watching them grow up right before your eyes
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Beet Wagon posted:
I've been burned by Kickstarter before (drat you GMS, I wanted to see Far West done!), but I learned my lesson years ago. So I see this less of a "growing up" thing and more of a "weeping for humanity" thing.
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Feb 28, 2017 03:10
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About the whole employees flipping jpegs on the grey market thing... Wasn't there an employee years back, one of the times LTI was going away, that would let someone send them a ship and some cash, LTI token it, and send it back? Like, this was all happening on the official forums. Seems like that would be a decent source to help support the theory and if they could get jpegs cheap enough on internal discount to make it worth the extra income.
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Feb 28, 2017 03:11
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MinorInconvenience posted:I get that I'm really late to this drama, but I ran across this article from last month. In it, Mr. Roberts admits that current development is funded from the monthly ship picture sales with a reserve to finish S42 if the monthly backer contributions dry up: Part of why this hasn't really gained a lot of traction is because it just sort of confirms what everybody's been thinking. Most of the people who are still hoping for SC are pinning those hopes on SQ42 being a commercial success and funding continued development. The fact that CIG are basically running on fumes and clinging to ship concept sales has been pretty apparent to everybody who cares enough about the project to pay attention, but the difference in how to interpret that information is the dividing line between the hopeful and the critical.
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Xarbala posted:The fact that CIG are basically running on fumes and clinging to ship concept sales has been pretty apparent to everybody who cares enough about the project to pay attention, but the difference in how to interpret that information is the dividing line between the hopeful and the critical. But that's madness! The idea that they have burned through $100+ million with nothing but some crappy tech demos to show for it???? I'm sorry. I just don't understand how so many can still be so blind. It's loving insane. I guess it really is a cult. A religion of Lord Croberts. Man. I thought people were smarter than this. Especially people with enough money to pour into this travesty.
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MinorInconvenience posted:But that's madness! The idea that they have burned through $100+ million with nothing but some crappy tech demos to show for it???? Oh it certainly is a special kind of crazy, but we've seen it so often and for so long that it's nice to see a fresh face able to react to the sheer scope of CIG's incompetence and scumminess like a rational human being. We're all just kinda jaded here. My personal theory is that a load of people are just swerving really hard into the sunk cost fallacy.
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Colostomy Bag posted:
"Citizens of the stars", how many of these loving retarded 'TV shows' do they do? CIG would be better suited to run one of those really lovely self propelling home shopping network channels, I'd expect they'd keep the same customers at least if they switched. (Home Shilling Network?) If only they made game components as efficiently as they made loving shite daytime TV. (Oh it was my SA Birthday yesterday  I am no longer a Goon hatchling and am ready for my Goonachne now that I am a Goonteen) 
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Xarbala posted:Oh it certainly is a special kind of crazy, but we've seen it so often and for so long that it's nice to see a fresh face able to react to the sheer scope of CIG's incompetence and scumminess like a rational human being. We're all just kinda jaded here. I get the sunk cost fallacy (my job kinda depends on idiots believing in it), but refunds are available. They can flee now. It looks like many have. Could it be that Croberts & Co. are not reporting the number of supporters who have fled? That the RSI funding page does not reflect the real number of current backers?
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Exinos posted:About the whole employees flipping jpegs on the grey market thing... Wasn't that one of the forum mods, and when anyone said "hey that looks maybe a bit dodgy" the thread/poster would get a short posting holiday courtesy of the same mod?
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MinorInconvenience posted:I get the sunk cost fallacy (my job kinda depends on idiots believing in it), but refunds are available. They can flee now. It looks like many have. No, the real number of backers was exposed in a letter Ortwin wrote in regards to a filthy refunder.
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Anyone got a link to the screencap of Humility's "I feel hollow all my life, like death inside" post on RSI?
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Feb 28, 2017 03:47
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MinorInconvenience posted:Could it be that Croberts & Co. are not reporting the number of supporters who have fled? That the RSI funding page does not reflect the real number of current backers? does the pope bear live in the woods
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MinorInconvenience posted:Well, Hellion is a buggy mess right now. But at least I can mine! Microgravity penis physics?
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Colostomy Bag posted:
Monday: Something nobody gives a poo poo about. Tuesday: Something that lets two guys nobody has ever heard of talk around how hosed everything is. Wednesday: Mark accidentally shows off more gameplay than every episode of AtV combined. Thursday: Lies Friday: Something not even Chris gives a poo poo about.
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MinorInconvenience posted:I get the sunk cost fallacy (my job kinda depends on idiots believing in it), but refunds are available. They can flee now. It looks like many have. I doubt that they update the ledger with leavers. It says people that pledged so legally, it's still true. Why show anything that's bad to the public if they are in the clear As to the number of leavers, I don't think that it is that big right now. Even if you factor in the backers who quietly get refunds, don't post about it ever, and quietly slink away, I don't think that leavers factor in that much. The real danger is backers becoming jaded and keeping their wallets closed during sales. That's the number that is dangerous to CIG. It's easier to not buy than it is to admit that you're an idiot for pledging in the first place and then seeking a refund. The latter requires some painful introspection and some actual leg work to get your money back. The former is just mental gymnastics, telling yourself that you don't like the newest ship, that you don't need another fighter, that you've spent plenty and the project is humming along nicely.
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Colostomy Bag posted:
hahaha the old "friday let's knock off a stretch goal" pre-weekend switcheroo can't wait
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I swear to the Almighty I'm going to write a HBR Case Study on this stupid saga, success or failure. It's amazing and incredible and disheartening. In this day and age, for people to fall for this. I am stunned and appalled. I guess even "smart" people can fall for multi-level marketing schemes.
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Virtual Captain posted:Sure all that stuff in my post starts at 17mins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0-QE4UgR4U&t=1025s and goes for about 2 or 3 mins. Batgirl: Can you explain the breakthrough behind the amazing procedural tech? Brian Chambers: The 'pupil to planet' demo only got done because a senior technical director decided to make it himself, behind Croberts back, at home in his spare time. Batgirl: "Is there a range of planet sizes you can give us?" Brian Chambers: "If I came up with a number right now, it would probably be a lie." Batgirl: Should planets be giant and realistic like a flight sim or more of a rich immersive world? Brian Chambers It's basically still in the design phase, and will continue to be, for a long time. Batgirl: How about that lumberyard switch? Brian Chambers: "with lumberyard, yeah, there was really little to no effort that it took us to switch, and that's 100% honest. I think we could have switched a lot earlier, but with stuff like this, there's always lawyers involved." *rambles on about how, with all their money, amazon should be able to provide a lot of support... to the gaming community* Batgirl: What pieces of the game or tech is your team working on? Brian Chambers: Uh..... *lists the job title of every employee he can remember* Batgirl: I remember the video where you were expanding the offices, it must be pretty full now... right? Brian Chambers: We have 10 empty desks. Batgirl: I'm sure you'll fill them as we get closer to a SQ42 release or, hopefully, 3.0 Brian Chambers: We're very picky in who we hire, I've turned down incredibly qualified candidates because they weren't big enough sci-fi nerds to let croberts crush their souls. Batgirl: How does you or your team look at 3.0, is it the beginning of the real PU, or just another stepping stone? Brian Chambers: We see it as the beginning... the solid solid beginning of the PU. We're just as excited to get it out as you, but every other day I hear the "tell me when!" "tell me when!" questions. But we're building up a team, I know as we get closer more and more will be said, but eventually we'll have a solid base for people. Batgirl: "I wish Chris wouldn't give general or specific dates for release." Brian Chambers: I agree too, and that's a bit of back and forth. Take the 'pupil to planet story as an example, The engineers were like "no, I don't want to show this until we get it together." But Sean Tracy and Chris showed it live, and people freaked out. So... Batgirl: "Have you preformed any miracles?" Brian Chambers: "None that I can speak of, No."
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Kosumo posted:I'm taking from what he was say is that "He is the publisher for his game therefore for ever dollar 'pledged', he pays his development 'company' 20 cents and takes 80 cents for his 'publishing' company", the publishing company being just Him, Sandi and Ortwin. Ya gotsta gotsta hide dem dolla dolla bills, yo! Seriously, the revelations about the corporate web was when this project shifted from "incompetently specced and managed mess" to "someone is scamming these poor fools".
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MinorInconvenience posted:It's amazing and incredible and disheartening. FYI, for purposes of this thread, it is usually standard to use "sickening and heartbreaking."
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CrazyTolradi posted:Anyone got a link to the screencap of Humility's "I feel hollow all my life, like death inside" post on RSI? Ask and ye shall receive.     
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The Titanic posted:Just be glad Chris Roberts invented sand worms. Sure, you can RIDE the sand worm, but can you control it? Nope. 'S all on rails. And that is if you can even get to the top of it TO ride it without spazzing off into the distance. Now, when they give you an option to ROMANCE the sand worm, then we are talking.
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MilesK posted:lol, this entire video's pretty great  Yet again tons of red flags that get misconstrued into progress.
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MilesK posted:
It's been about 5 years, but we still don't have a team that can make the game yet. Maybe someday!
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MilesK posted:lol, this entire video's pretty great Brian Chambers said all that during a PR thing lol
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TrustmeImLegit posted:Brian Chambers said all that during a PR thing lol That guy definitely has the 1,000 yard stare mastered.
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Weird. Wonder what diminished Brian's comfort with lying. He seemed so relaxed in his role as a high ranking bullshitter around the time of Citcon last year.Virtual Captain posted:It wasn't satire. It was and still is hosted on their site. I too was in disbelief before I could get to a computer and open the pdf because I wasn't gonna mess with that on a phone
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  Ok these guys are might be playing the long game. I don't think the've had a single comic not about game breaking bugs. Colostomy Bag posted:
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spacetoaster posted:I like the guy wearing cold weather clothes with flip flops. Why is that mans head facing the wrong directio....oh nevermind.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:1. CIG doesn't encourage its employees to buy ships, or do anything other than take a paycheck and work on the game. Pretty much why it is pointless to theory crafting about the funding tracker. It is a private company and isn't a business disclosure, so they aren't going to get into serious trouble if they straight up lie about it. How often do you hear an executive say their business is doing great the month before they close? There's no benefit in giving employees discount ships for the purpose of inflating the tracker. If flipping them for cash happened in any real volume we would have heard about it from a disgruntled ship trader by now (and the market couldn't support it anyway). They might theoretically get in trouble for deceptive marketing, but the only people invested in it enough for it to make sense aren't going to sue until the company is bankrupt. Besides, it is in the best interests of CIG to refund anyone even thinking of legal action. Publishers already positively frame any communication of development issues. Maintaining the illusion of financial security is no different in that regard. I'm certain the executive team already consider the tracker a marketing tool and not a true reflection of the amount of money raised. It is best to treat the tracker as a monument to backer hubris, and laugh at the people trying to use it as a defence, as if it means anything. Even if you trust it, the numbers paint a business in decline. Poor sales, and very low numbers in the quiet periods. If they lie, then it is just accelerating the time until the whole thing collapses. That's a win-win to me.
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So we've confirmed that they're advertising for job positions that they have no intent on filling right? Between the lovely job auto-reply I posted earlier and the fact that ben is turning down "highly qualified" people due to "dumb loving reason". I guess they're trying to keep appearances up that everything is fine, which is why they've posted 1232023213 jobs.
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Chin posted:Weird. Wonder what diminished Brian's comfort with lying. He seemed so relaxed in his role as a high ranking bullshitter around the time of Citcon last year. He thought the worm was a joke.
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Chin posted:Weird. Wonder what diminished Brian's comfort with lying. He seemed so relaxed in his role as a high ranking bullshitter around the time of Citcon last year. There was a lot of bullshiting, I tried my best to filter it out. I'm no SomethingJones. Though I miss him, actually watching that was hard. MilesK fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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The Titanic posted:I'd like to err on the side that they got both greedy and continue to have no idea what they're doing. CR is an out of touch, way out of his league ex programmer from the early to mid 90s, trying to build the impossible by not doing anything right except graphics. Not even animation, just graphics. I have mentioned my Cabal idea long ago in the last thread. Once the KS started to really spin up, I pretty much figure Ortwin smelled the blood in the water, and recruited Sandi to keep Crobber all pumped up and feeling brilliant and on track and relevant, so he could figurehead their brilliant salvation of PC gaming (which is not now and never has been a real issue). Sandi and CIG keep Crobber happy with a list of vacations and reassertion of his manhood so he will keep the dream alive and paying.
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