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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Your thing where you tilt at strawmen is really getting unhinged. You need to take a break, you're not making any sense. On the contrary, he specifically said that political correctness was bad, identity politics was bad, and that safe spaces were why Democrats lose, and when people corrected him on what safe spaces were he said that people need to be told institutions won't protect them, which you could all find by reading through his short post history in this thread. Your habit of defending the vilest people just because someone who isn't down with Bernie dislikes them is morally disgusting.
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Brainiac Five posted:Your habit of defending the vilest people just because someone who isn't down with Bernie dislikes them is morally disgusting. I'm not defending anyone, i'm telling you you've devolved from making an argument to just incoherent ad hominems and you really seem like you have a problem.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:I'm not defending anyone, i'm telling you you've devolved from making an argument to just incoherent ad hominems and you really seem like you have a problem. But there's no argument that was made, whereas Dead Cosmonaut is a sack of poo poo and none of you will tell him that he is one. So either he can be allowed to poison any organization he's involved with by virtue of being a cartoonish representation of "brocialism", or someone can repeatedly remind him that the best part of him dribbled down his mother's taint whenever he pops up and eventually he'll figure it out. Also, no one that's used "ad hominem" in a discussion has been worth listening to, because they inevitably shout out the names of logical fallacies they learned in Logic 101 in lieu of actually conversing.
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Feb 28, 2017 03:59
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Brainiac Five posted:But there's no argument that was made, whereas Dead Cosmonaut is a sack of poo poo and none of you will tell him that he is one. So either he can be allowed to poison any organization he's involved with by virtue of being a cartoonish representation of "brocialism", or someone can repeatedly remind him that the best part of him dribbled down his mother's taint whenever he pops up and eventually he'll figure it out. "Calling out ad hominem attacks is weak poo poo berniebros. Maybe if you troglodytes had 2 brain cells to rub together you might make some arguments"
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Feb 28, 2017 04:02
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Crowsbeak posted:Well you have this nasty habit of being an apologist for racists so its certainly wrong. You have a suspiciously poor track record at providing quotes of things you accuse people of saying on an internet forum where you have access to the search feature. This thread is now just like 5 pages of posting about posting. 
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Feb 28, 2017 04:04
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RasperFat posted:"Calling out ad hominem attacks is weak poo poo berniebros. Maybe if you troglodytes had 2 brain cells to rub together you might make some arguments" This isn't debate class, this isn't debate team, this is a conversation. In order for the conversation to be good, people who like to use transphobic slurs like Dead Cosmonaut must be kept out of it and not given any respect because that makes their evil respectable. Which it should not be. Since you will not police your own, it is necessary for other people in the conversation to do so to the best of our ability.
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Feb 28, 2017 04:04
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Brocialism? Holy poo poo lol I'm just a poster on the internet. In juxtaposition with the elite Academic institutions in this country who are breeding a new generation of white nationalists, I do no harm. Save your hate for someone else. There is plenty of it that needs to go around before we're done with Donald Trump.
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Feb 28, 2017 04:05
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Brainiac Five posted:This isn't debate class, this isn't debate team, this is a conversation. In order for the conversation to be good, people who like to use transphobic slurs like Dead Cosmonaut must be kept out of it and not given any respect because that makes their evil respectable. Which it should not be. Since you will not police your own, it is necessary for other people in the conversation to do so to the best of our ability. If you think someone is being inappropriate, report them. Spamming the thread with incoherent ad hominem rage is not ok, and I think you need to take a break.
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Feb 28, 2017 04:08
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Brocialism? Holy poo poo lol On the contrary, anyone who claims to be a leftist and then uses transphobic slurs ought to be reeducated with the most severe ruthlessness. Because Party infrastructure would not allow for doing so safely, we must use other, cruder methods. Dr. Fishopolis posted:If you think someone is being inappropriate, report them. Spamming the thread with incoherent ad hominem rage is not ok, and I think you need to take a break. That's the thing. You think that it's wrong to tell bigots to go to hell, that it's "spamming the thread", "incoherent ad hominem rage", and that bigotry must be treated with respect. If you do not treat bigotry with respect, you are insane, you say. You're nothing more than a spear-carrier for evil. How pitiful. Brainiac Five fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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Brainiac Five posted:This isn't debate class, this isn't debate team, this is a conversation. In order for the conversation to be good, people who like to use transphobic slurs like Dead Cosmonaut must be kept out of it and not given any respect because that makes their evil respectable. Which it should not be. Since you will not police your own, it is necessary for other people in the conversation to do so to the best of our ability. I suppose the "Debate and Discussion" is not about debate any more then. I'm all for calling out people who say stupid slurs, but you're acting like "Berniebros" have some sort of systemic problem that needs to be culled. The actual data, from polling firms, found that these "Berniebros" have less racist, sexists, homophobic, and transphobic opinions than the Democrats in general. But this doesn't fit into you're forced narrative that "Bernouts" are mean people who are obstructing and the real bigots. Pointing out that you are excessively using personal attacks instead of making salient arguments is a valid point of discussion, not just throwing out Debate 101 fallacies.
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Nevvy Z posted:You have a suspiciously poor track record at providing quotes of things you accuse people of saying on an internet forum where you have access to the search feature.  why wasn't this thread shut after the dnc election, anyways?
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RasperFat posted:I suppose the "Debate and Discussion" is not about debate any more then. I'm all for calling out people who say stupid slurs, but you're acting like "Berniebros" have some sort of systemic problem that needs to be culled. ...which must make the bernouts who post on sa the apex, the top 1%, the proverbial cream of the crop.
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RasperFat posted:I suppose the "Debate and Discussion" is not about debate any more then. I'm all for calling out people who say stupid slurs, but you're acting like "Berniebros" have some sort of systemic problem that needs to be culled. This is not a formal debate. Formal debates are generally not what you think they are either, since they're mostly about rhetorical tricks to shut people down. You obviously are not for doing so, because you are refusing to call out people who say slurs, and you are insisting on a paranoid belief that I'm talking about every single person that voted for Bernie, rather than the spiteful dipshits on a message board who repeat memes. Funnily enough, when someone posts "bernie would have won" and nothing else, none of you say poo poo. So you are obviously lying about "pointing out excessive personal attacks instead of making salient arguments" being a disinterested, neutral position.
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Us leftists need to stop speaking about race, class, economy and so on in academic terms. We need to especially stop getting mad when people ask what academic language means. Anyone who means that when they say "political correctness and identity politics are bad" needs to start actually saying that. Anyone who doesn't mean that needs to gently caress off.
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Feb 28, 2017 04:20
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I find it funny that anyone who jerks off to workers having their jobs shipped overseas would then declare anyone evil.Nevvy Z posted:You have a suspiciously poor track record at providing quotes of things you accuse people of saying on an internet forum where you have access to the search feature. Being that the last time we talked about this we both got probated. I'll jsut say it should be obvious who here is being openly dishonest. On the actual topic I'll say we need to ensure that the people who have been abandoned in the many cities and towns of the Midwest have a voice. Bernie by holding townhalls is showing the way. You want the party to win again? Give them a voice. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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Feb 28, 2017 04:23
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Crowsbeak posted:I find it funny that anyone who jerks off to workers having their jobs shipped overseas would then declare anyone evil. Remember, Dr. Fishopolis finds posting like this acceptable enough he doesn't tell Crowsbeak he's insane.
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stone cold posted:...which must make the bernouts who post on sa the apex, the top 1%, the proverbial cream of the crop. ... I'm pretty sure most the bernouts here are actively engaged in the Democratic Party now and do not post bigoted things. This sub forum is pretty far left for American politics, and I would guess over 95% of the bernouts here favor full marriage equality, family benefits, using preferred pronouns, etc, as well as reforming our racist prison system. Brainiac Five posted:This is not a formal debate. Formal debates are generally not what you think they are either, since they're mostly about rhetorical tricks to shut people down. I just said we should call them out, not sure why you are arguing otherwise. I don't expect some magic fairy or judge to say "Braniac Five said too many mean things! He loses this argument!" I'm letting you know you're coming off as an rear end in a top hat who attacks other people relentlessly. poo poo you just said I was depressed and delusional based off of nothing. It bothers me because you keep linking one dipshits stupid joke to a platform of pandering to Nazis and bigots, and keep insisting that we are letting transphobia run wild or something. It simply isn't happening, and it's disingenuous to insist otherwise. Let's continue to fight for equality and tolerance and not poo poo on our allies when we need to fight actual fascists currently in power.
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I am sorry about suggesting Braniac 5 in a joke is a pedophile. It was a stupid joke and I shouldn't have made it.
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Brainiac Five posted:On the contrary, anyone who claims to be a leftist and then uses transphobic slurs ought to be reeducated with the most severe ruthlessness. Because Party infrastructure would not allow for doing so safely, we must use other, cruder methods. This place is not /pol/ and you are treating it like it is. Spencer and Bannon are not uneducated, and the people they are drawing in aren't either. If you ever listen to Spencer talk, he can come off as both reasonable and even politically correct. Democrats can fight mainstream Republicans. They cannot, however, fight white nationalists or fascists.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:This place is not /pol/ and you are treating it like it is. Well centrists cannot.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Voters are not that stupid. Voters elected Trump. Kinda fucks up the idea that what voters wanted was a coherent anything. Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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RasperFat posted:I just said we should call them out, not sure why you are arguing otherwise. I don't expect some magic fairy or judge to say "Braniac Five said too many mean things! He loses this argument!" I'm letting you know you're coming off as an rear end in a top hat who attacks other people relentlessly. Dude, the guy who was suggesting we pander to racists was serious. Seriously stupid, but serious. And you are letting it slip by by letting people like Mnoba and Dead Cosmonaut post without telling them it'll be ring-a-ding-ding for them if they don't knock off the rightist bunk. In fact, by saying "poo poo on our allies", you are insisting someone who whines about political correctness and calls people t******* is an ally, rather than a liability, a suckerfish, a useless hanger-on. Dead Cosmonaut posted:This place is not /pol/ and you are treating it like it is. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3796651&pagenumber=292&perpage=40#post466268768
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Fulchrum posted:Voters elected Trump. Hey don't be pushing TPP on them. They might turn out if they don't think their job is in jeopardy.
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Fulchrum posted:Voters elected Trump. Sure enough a lot of them were right about the problem of an out of touch liberal elite. Otherwise, Clinton would have been elected.
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Feb 28, 2017 04:41
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Brainiac Five posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3796651&pagenumber=292&perpage=40#post466268768 Not an argument.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Not an argument. Calling people "trannies" 
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My old rear end parents are joining the DSA along with my sister because they're so fed up with Democrats loving everything up in Wisconsin hell yeah 
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Not an argument. See, a human being with a soul might admit that was wrong, or justify themselves, but you just give the verbal equivalent of a serial killer's thousand-yard stare and say, in a monotone, "Not an argument." And the great thing is, all the virtuous Bernie voters here, so much less bigoted than the hoi polloi Dems, will close ranks around you and lift you up lest your feet catch against a stone.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Sure enough a lot of them were right about the problem of an out of touch liberal elite. Otherwise, Clinton would have been elected. So you're trying to use what is essentially "voters are that dumb" to argue that voters aren't that dumb? You realise that, given weve established that there wasnt an issue where Trumps platform would help them morw than Hillarys, the "it" in "liberal elitists don't get it" is how these people will reject an actual fix in favor of a meaningless slogan? Because, as established, they absolutely are that dumb? Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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Hot Diggity! posted:My old rear end parents are joining the DSA along with my sister because they're so fed up with Democrats loving everything up in Wisconsin hell yeah TIme to go full on entryist. Fulchrum posted:So you're trying to use what is essentially "voters are that dumb" to argue that voters aren't that dumb?
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Brainiac Five posted:And the great thing is, all the virtuous Bernie voters here, so much less bigoted than the hoi poi Dems, will close ranks around you and lift you up lest your feet catch against a stone. 20 years from now I wonder what all of Clinton's old hard core supporters are going to believe
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Crowsbeak posted:TIme to go full on entryist. 
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:I find it sad that you will probably never get over being a sore loser because of Bernie and Trump I find it horrifying to think that you will probably end up murdering a trans woman and in this political climate, nothing will happen to you, and you'll never feel an iota of remorse for it.
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Crowsbeak posted:TIme to go full on entryist. Calling them racist or screaming at them does not fall under the category of treating them as you would a chimp. If you've ever seen in behavioral research, or seen Reagan sleep with a monkey, you will understand that those are two things that is not typical responses to chimps. Instead, you make everything as simple as possible so that the minimal amount of higher brain functions are needed, because you know if they get confused they will turn violent and start smashing things.
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Brainiac Five posted:I find it horrifying to think that you will probably end up murdering a trans woman and in this political climate, nothing will happen to you, and you'll never feel an iota of remorse for it. People hurt minorities write laws and carry guns or sticks. I don't do either. Clinton did more to hurt both groups than I will ever accomplish in a lifetime, yet you guys bought into her poo poo anyways. This country is going to poo poo real quick and all you can talk about is my rap sheet. I don't think the Dems can pull off a win. You can prove me wrong g though. If you feel that passionate, get politically engaged. This is a waste of time and energy.
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Fulchrum posted:Calling them racist or screaming at them does not fall under the category of treating them as you would a chimp. If you've ever seen in behavioral research, or seen Reagan sleep with a monkey, you will understand that those are two things that is not typical responses to chimps. Instead, you make everything as simple as possible so that the minimal amount of higher brain functions are needed, because you know if they get confused they will turn violent and start smashing things. Ah so now we are going to start suggesting those who do not feel inspired to vote are like apes. You know that the use of such language has been used by the worse kinds of social darwinists historically.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:People hurt minorities write laws and carry guns or sticks. I don't do either. Clinton did more to hurt both groups than I will ever accomplish in a lifetime, yet you guys bought into her poo poo anyways. See, you're justifying anything you do by claiming the cops are worse, not by virtue of behavior but by virtue of existence, meaning that you can do anything, anything to a "minority", (can't even say "trans woman", can you, you sick little freak) and it will be fine, and people getting you arraigned and put up for life in the hoosegow for it, well, all you would say would be "This is a waste of time and energy" in your colorless serial killer voice.
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What the gently caress? Clinton used the state department to force the international community to recognise trans people's rights to put their actual gender on their passports, not their birth gender. The gently caress have you ever done for Trans people?
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Crowsbeak posted:Ah so now we are going to start suggesting those who do not feel inspired to vote are like apes. You know that the use of such language has been used by the worse kinds of social darwinists historically. So has people being loudspeakers for Nazi propaganda. Yet, you remain.
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