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Risky Bisquick posted:@kylebennett "Don't be a Pussy, PreOrder AMD Ryzen Today!"  Abandon ship! Ryzen is doomed!
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Risky Bisquick posted:@kylebennett "Don't be a Pussy, PreOrder AMD Ryzen Today!" http://www.hardocp.com/news/2017/02/22/dont_be_pussy_preorder_amd_ryzen_today_starts_at_1et Well, he did put that up as soon as the pre-orders started. And he did put that up with a link that gives him a commission so..XD
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Feb 27, 2017 21:00
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Dante80 posted:http://www.hardocp.com/news/2017/02/22/dont_be_pussy_preorder_amd_ryzen_today_starts_at_1et loving lol Kyle.
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Feb 27, 2017 21:10
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Dante80 posted:http://www.hardocp.com/news/2017/02/22/dont_be_pussy_preorder_amd_ryzen_today_starts_at_1et Good catch 
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Feb 27, 2017 21:16
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So Ryzen has 512K L2 while Intel has 256? How does that actually affect performance? Do programs need to be optimized for 512K? Only way to know is wait and see?
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Feb 28, 2017 00:08
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Ihmemies posted:So Ryzen has 512K L2 while Intel has 256? How does that actually affect performance? Do programs need to be optimized for 512K? Only way to know is wait and see? Up until the last few years desktop work loads were still almost all about IPC and clockspeed for that peak single thread performance. Multi thread is starting to matter a whole lot more as more software is written to make use of it (4 thread CPU is probably the minimum you want to use right now, 8 threads will probably evolve to be the new sweet spot for peak performance vs cost over the next few years) but primarily single thread performance + clockspeed are still key for desktop work loads. Its quite possible some sort of software rewrite to take advantage of Zen's bigger L2 would help general desktop work loads but don't go expecting that sort of thing to happen.
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Feb 28, 2017 00:49
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Not to be all  but dat stock bump today. 
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Feb 28, 2017 00:56
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Is it 100% confirmed that socket AM2/AM3 coolers will work with AM4? I don't want to buy a cooler and have to return it.
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Feb 28, 2017 01:32
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Bareback Werewolf posted:Is it 100% confirmed that socket AM2/AM3 coolers will work with AM4? I don't want to buy a cooler and have to return it. AM3 coolers are not compatible with AM4 mounting holes, but it's possible for an AM4 motherboard to have AM3 mounting holes alongside the AM4 ones. The Asus Crosshair VI Hero does this, I haven't seen any others so far. 
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Feb 28, 2017 01:39
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Bareback Werewolf posted:Is it 100% confirmed that socket AM2/AM3 coolers will work with AM4? I don't want to buy a cooler and have to return it.
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Feb 28, 2017 02:05
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That pic is ridiculous. What the hell was the reasoning that a 2mm change needed to be made? Anyways depending on your existing cooler's mounting hardware, it may be possible to do minor modification or just bodge it to make it work. I did that for a while one time, I can't remember which socket transition it was but it must have been years and years ago because it was back when heatpipe tower coolers were still moderately expensive. So before the hyper 212 came out. Anyways, I got slightly longer bolts from the hardware store and kinda angled them, it was fine for the 6 or whatever months until I replaced it. Don't do this if you move your pc around at all of course.
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Feb 28, 2017 03:25
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Ihmemies posted:So Ryzen has 512K L2 while Intel has 256? How does that actually affect performance? Do programs need to be optimized for 512K? Only way to know is wait and see? The only advantage I can see is that programs could take advantage of the increased CPU storage capabilities to increase some process. The 6800k has 1.5MB of L2 vs AMD 4MB.
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Feb 28, 2017 04:03
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Isn't Ryzen a different Z-height, so even if the holes line up it wouldn't mount correctly without a new kit? I could be full of poo poo here but I thought I remembered reading this.
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Feb 28, 2017 04:18
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Alereon posted:Isn't Ryzen a different Z-height, so even if the holes line up it wouldn't mount correctly without a new kit? I could be full of poo poo here but I thought I remembered reading this. Yeah, it is. If you are careful and the screws on your cooler are the spring retention type I could see it working even with the different hight but I would not risk an expensive new CPU to find out.
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Feb 28, 2017 04:25
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Alereon posted:Isn't Ryzen a different Z-height, so even if the holes line up it wouldn't mount correctly without a new kit? I could be full of poo poo here but I thought I remembered reading this. Probably, and that is probably why the holes were moved: To keep people from using a cooler that wasn't made to be used with the new height.
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Feb 28, 2017 04:25
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Lowen SoDium posted:Probably, and that is probably why the holes were moved: To keep people from using a cooler that wasn't made to be used with the new height. Ah that makes a lot more sense then. Though now I'm wondering how that asus board with both holes works if the height is different. I guess those black things are spacers to fix the height issue? And obviously everything about my suggestion of fitting a cooler that's not compatible has a giant disclaimer to use common sense, test fit carefully, don't overstress board or cpu, may not work at all depending on mounting hardware, etc etc.
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Feb 28, 2017 05:15
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It looks like someone has put grommets in the correct holes to illustrate the point. If you're using an <AM3 cooler those grommets would be in the other set of holes. That's my take. Not exactly an elegant solution, I agree.
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Feb 28, 2017 07:13
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https://twitter.com/AMDRyzen/status/836285599636127744 1T command rate? O_o
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Feb 28, 2017 07:32
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My impression is that choices made for Ryzens IMC design were done on the basis of APU/NPU performance. AMD APU/NPU's should run loving circles around Intel solutions, like I don't think it's debatable. I wonder if Bristol Ridge is similar, 40-50GB/s should feed 512 GCN3 stream processors. According to TPU, a 7850K's 512SPs are only some 17% behind the 7750's in performance despite the massive delta in bandwidth, so I can only assume Bristol Ridge with DDR4 should be amazing.
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Feb 28, 2017 08:06
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repiv posted:AM3 coolers are not compatible with AM4 mounting holes, but it's possible for an AM4 motherboard to have AM3 mounting holes alongside the AM4 ones. i'm the 3d mount
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Feb 28, 2017 08:36
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Dante80 posted:1T command rate? O_o
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Feb 28, 2017 13:04
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Happy Embargo Drop Day everyone! Sinestro how is the new OP coming Bleusilences posted:I just check the first page to check for any new on the zen and it's not been updated for at least 4 years! Could someone knowledgeable start a new thread? Sinestro posted:I'd be happy to just redo this one's OP, too. Sinestro posted:I'm writing a new OP right now, it'll probably be up this afternoon. Don't forget to discuss the new AM4 platfrom repiv posted:i'm the am4 platfrom AbrahamSlam posted:AMD infuriates competition with this one weird trick! And be sure to mention AMD THREADRIPPER technology Seriously though the PCPer deep dive video might be good to include for the mega nerds: SwissArmyDruid posted:PCPer + Kanter + Zen Discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plXoBXFodHI
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Feb 28, 2017 13:31
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The Ryzen overclocking demo from the press conference has been leaked. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFYlP_3dC1U Using water cooling, XFR got to 4.1GHz on one core (100MHz up) and tried to do 4.1GHz on all cores but the system crashed live in the demo  I think this confirms the fears about overclockability. For stock clock users the 1800X is looking to still trash the 6900K however.
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Feb 28, 2017 13:50
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BurritoJustice posted:Using water cooling, XFR got to 4.1GHz on one core (100MHz up) and tried to do 4.1GHz on all cores but the system crashed live in the demo 100Mhz above its stock boost (in a fully manufacturer supported manner) and it crashes? Ouch. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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Feb 28, 2017 13:54
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BurritoJustice posted:The Ryzen overclocking demo from the press conference has been leaked. All hail Intel, our continued overlords
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Feb 28, 2017 15:06
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When does the press embargo lift? That xfr result is a bugger. Guess we'll know soon if it's typical.
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Feb 28, 2017 15:12
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Rastor posted:Happy Embargo Drop Day everyone! I thought the Ryzen embargo wasn't dropping until the 2nd? Either way, we're definitely getting Vega and 1080ti info today 
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Feb 28, 2017 15:15
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BurritoJustice posted:The Ryzen overclocking demo from the press conference has been leaked. 3.6/4.0GHz on the R5 1600X is better than I expected tbh
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Feb 28, 2017 15:25
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HalloKitty posted:100Mhz above its stock boost (in a fully manufacturer supported manner) and it crashes? Ouch.
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Feb 28, 2017 15:58
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Review kit unboxing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA7x_ftav9Q
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BurritoJustice posted:The Ryzen overclocking demo from the press conference has been leaked. I've read (I don't know if this is true or not) that that was at stock voltage, which would make a significant difference. My 5820K does 4.13 GHz all-core at stock voltage but 5820Ks usually top out around 4.5 GHz with extra voltage. Crashing 1-core at 4.1 GHz isn't great in terms of relative overclocking headroom, but on the other hand it's actually still pretty decent in absolute terms. Now, if it's crashing at 4.1 GHz with some extra voltage then that's kind of a shitshow. The question is still going to be the lesser chips which were binned out, how far are they going to go? If they won't go beyond 3.8 at stock voltage that's starting to turn into a pretty strong loss once overclocking comes into the picture. Overall though, between this overclocking result and those leaked chinese benchmarks, I'm pretty confident in my prediction that a 6-core Intel (6800K/5820K) only loses slightly to an 8-core Ryzen (1800X) in multi-threaded stuff and wins in single-threaded pretty hard. The benchmarks in that last test were with the 6800K at stock clocks, while the 1800X is apparently pretty much tapped out at stock voltages. So basically AMD has made the jump to somewhere around Haswell-E IPC with less than Broadwell-E overclockability. I'm sitting pretty comfy since I've been enjoying my 5820K for a year now, at better prices ($330), and I think that the Intels are still better for gaming, but the 8-core Ryzens aren't terrible for highly-threaded stuff. The next go-around is going to be interesting for Intel, because I bet AMD gets those clocks up. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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Feb 28, 2017 17:17
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Paul MaudDib posted:The next go-around is going to be interesting for Intel, because I bet AMD gets those clocks up. The laptop APUs and server stuff once they GoFlo fixes the teething issues should be really interesting.
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Feb 28, 2017 21:18
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Rastor posted:Sinestro how is the new OP coming I decided to wait until today, since it would have needed massive retooling when the embargo dropped anyway. Should be tonight, I just need to put things together when I get home from work, I know what I want to say.
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Paul MaudDib posted:The next go-around is going to be interesting for Intel, because I bet AMD gets those clocks up. Yeah that's when we'll find out if AMD really caught Intel with their pants down. AFAIK next up is Coffe Lake which looks like it'll be another Kaby Lake (same process, +0% IPC, efficiency+clockspeed bump) only with hexacores slowly becoming mainstream. Even if AMD doesn't follow up with Zen+ as early as next year, it's going to be interesting. Not to mention that Intel no longer has a GT4e SKU to counter a 50W Zen APU.
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Feb 28, 2017 21:44
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What time is the embargo expected to drop?
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Feb 28, 2017 22:04
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Rastor posted:Would you have any slots free at all? Because you can always just shove some bargain bin low profile GPU into a PCI slot or something if all you need is a text console. I guess, it's just nice not needing extra addon cards with 4C intel chips. Iris Pro is supported upstream in Linux, Xorg and Mesa, so I don't ever have to gently caress with drivers. I suppose an early GCN would work as well with the "Radeon" reverse-engineered stuff. 8C/16T is probably compelling enough for me to put up with driver dickery. 4-day old ECC chat removed E: gently caress me, is it really the 28th already? I didn't realize how far back I was in this thread. Rexxed & Platystemon already covered this. Harik fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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Feb 28, 2017 22:13
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Gwaihir posted:Is there a good reason for me to give a poo poo about having ECC ram on the box storing my linux ISOs? What is it protecting me against? If the result of a flipped bit in ram getting stored to disk is a flicker of a corrupted frame in a video file, it's not exactly something I think I'd worry about paying extra for, but I don't really know. Here’s an article where someone actually successfully tracks down a single bit error in some code. Yes, chances are good that the effected data is will never be written to disk and that if it is, it’s something that isn’t critical like a video file. But if bit flips in executable code, you’re in for a headache.
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Feb 28, 2017 22:24
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Huge announcement from AMD's big press conference about Vega its called Vega
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Feb 28, 2017 22:24
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:The laptop APUs and server stuff once they GoFlo fixes the teething issues should be really interesting. don't ever pin hopes on GloFo getting better
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FuturePastNow posted:don't ever pin hopes on GloFo getting better New thread title right here.
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