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Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
Whenever there is a woman around, I feel like I must be extra careful and keep a “safe distance” from her. Like, when a woman sits next to me in a train, I have the urge to lean away from her. When I walk next to a woman, the distance is so large that I can hardly talk to her; when she tries to reduce it, I will often find myself walking past the roadside.

If there is a woman I find particularly nice and whom I would like to date, I feel completely paralyzed. It seems kind of “forbidden” to talk to her in any way that might be interpreted as flirting. I imagine that if I revealed her my interest, she would act like I had done something really awful to her, and she would tell all our mutual acquaintances about it and they would start laughing and bullying me and never respect me again.

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54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

No Yanda's allowed

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

oh definitely it's way worse most places, but also in lots of the world way more people really are straight up '[ethnicity] are more rat than man, I would never touch one'

Yeah it's nasty bad. I just find a lot of times with this conversation it winds up being very Western-centric and it winds up erasing a lot of the issues with racism (or racial aggression) internationally

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

oh shiiit it's an incelvalanche

Me [42 M ] with my self - still a virgin :(

quote:

Ok, not trolling, here goes. I am a an aspie and still a virgin. You may say its my looks but when I was a teen I had pics in a magazine modeling jeans. I'm thin and was complimented for my looks in the past. If there is any improvement I need more muscles. In my last job a girl at work gave me a compliment and I complained to HR. Maybe I'm very self conscious now and bitter. The HR lady shrugged it off and I broke down and told her my story. I don't care because I was leaving soon anyway.

I was a teacher at one time and got lots of hots on a rating site. One girl I went out with was a psychologist and said the physical aspect may be 5% of my problem, if even that. She said to work out to increase confidence. That aside, I'm no way saying I'm Brad Pitt. Girls never really ask me out. Lets assume I'm average to even a bit below, a regular guy, and people wonder why I'm still single. Guys that look worse than me get sex. I was told its a software issue, not hardware..

Anyway...
-Brought up with a very weak father and strict mom and grandmother. Taught that sex before marriage is absolutely wrong. Scared to death about any any and all diseases (even drinking out of a glass at a restaurant or sleeping in a hotel). Also leaving home is terrible, and I still live at home. Never traveled or went on a plane. I have major anxiety, prob neurosis.
-Molested by a man at around 16. More fondling rather than full blown sex. Was desperate to use a computer.
-I am the classic computer type. Never made a friend in my life. My phone has absolutely no contacts. If I got 20 texts in total from non family that may be too much.
-Tried some online dating but the women I met were total trainwrecks. One was an alcoholic, another a grifter that took advantage of my desperation at the time. The only luck I had was with CL believe it or not. I met an CS/EE PHD with patents who was a 35 yo virgin(quite religious) but she was in a mental hospital (bipolar, depressed). This girl is also in my opinion Hollywood material lookswise She looks like a twin to Jennifer Connelly. I could always have her. That was my only real relationship. This girl would lay on the floor in my room and play with my trains. We would work on microcontroller code. She claims I saved her life, she was that depressed. Her dad practically said if you marry her you wont have to worry about money. Problem is she cuts herself(among other things, complicated- hosed up enough to get her student loans forgiven). She don't own a smartphone because she feels they stalk her.
-Have ADHD/Aspergers. Narrow interests. Have trouble reading emotions. Tried everything except formal therapy. I had formal therapy when I was a young adult to deal with self confidence issues but it never worked. I never approached a woman in person.
-I did go out with women, but not till my late 20s. All the women I went with found it hard to believe I was a virgin at first, but I was resistant to have sex with them. A mixture of many things. Maybe some of it was insecurity at that point. I was intimidate with two woman, but no sex(like making out and stuff). The PHD won't have sex till marriage for religious reasons, totally respect that. Most I got with her is making out wearing underwear. She said if you want anything more there has to be marriage, she don't want a big wedding and it could happen in a few weeks..she don't have friends. She was bothering me for weeks after saying that if I went that far and I liked what I saw I should marry her. Then she felt rejected and got depressed. She is a yoga girl and has an amazing body. Honestly if she wasn't so hosed in the head I wouldn't be posting now.
-I am addicted to pron since probably 95. The PHD chick got me to cut it down considerably. Truth is girls who have casual sex kind of turn me off, but I'm also a realist.
-I'm moderately successful in my work, but not rich by any means. I am a developer/engineer/whatever. I have a degree. I guess I'm quite smart but lack the horsepower to be an Elon Musk.
-I grow more bitter by the days. I don't want to end up all alone. I read about incel guys who are just cursed never to have anyone.
-The fact that I'm a virgin so long creates a recursive "stack overflow" of angst in me. I frown at women cashiers now, even if they phoenily smile at me.
TL;DR; ok I can go on forever. Do you realistically think there is hope for a 42yo virgin?Please don't say get a hooker because it won't happen. Could you imagine a guy waking up every day knowing he is a virgin at that age? Next thought would be suicide.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
I guess to be fair, if you are totally inexperienced and you're already past middle/high school then given all the warnings about sexual harassment I can see where you would have issues identifying where that line is (esp since it often shifts wildly depending on the people in question and you gotta kinda read that too) and deciding to err on the side of caution and just not say anything ever. Esp if you have a very low opinion of yourself in the first place.

I mean it is sad but I can see that. At least it isn't "I'm like this because women are the devil and evil skin folds mind control aaaaargh."

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

oh shiiit it's an incelvalanche

Me [42 M ] with my self - still a virgin :(

I feel like this person might be gay.

Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Feb 28, 2017

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
It seems in the past and present when I go to bars or house parties some girls (who like me) will approach me and say I am good looking, cute and how nice of a person I am. Also a lot of the time they are drunk she they flirt with me :(

But when it comes to them wanting to get intimate or have sex with me girls a lot of the time there just not into me 'in that way'. Could it be because of my disability (autism) perhaps?


I am just about 5ft8 and workout on my body since I weigh 151 pounds of lean muscle. I mean is height really that important if you already have a toned body?

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Moridin920 posted:

I feel like this person might be gay.

Molested by a man at around 16. More fondling rather than full blown sex. Was desperate to use a computer.

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER
Pick please just assure me you're copyposting.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Pick has lived 100 lives and they are all incels and these are the tales of woe


Also I can count the number of times a girl has come up to me and initiated anything on one hand probably (not counting eye contact like actual coming up to me and initiating with "you're cute")

If you can't get from "Hey I think you're cute" to anything other than "ehhh but not like that sorry" then clearly the words coming out of your mouth are the words of a dumb gently caress and I have no sympathy for that dude bc he is obv better looking than I am.

Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Feb 28, 2017

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

VanSandman posted:

Pick please just assure me you're copyposting.

obviously

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Moridin920 posted:

Pick has lived 100 lives and they are all incels and these are the tales of woe

the karmic wheel turns, another lifetime as nature's lowest creature. it will be a kalpa before Adolf Hitler's soul graduates to dogs.

SpiderHyphenMan
Apr 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
Oh wow I was way more behind than I thought.

SpiderHyphenMan fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Feb 28, 2017

Barudak
May 7, 2007

About 12% of new US marriages are marriages between people who select different ethnicity boxes on census data and roughly 6% of all marriages in the US are interracial. In 1970 the number was less than 1%.

The true interracial number is almost certainly higher as well, because Hispanic is separately tracked so wont show up here and MENA is white in America. With that in mind, in general black men marry white women, white men marry asian women, and native americans will marry anyone who isnt native american, apparently.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
There's some bias in almost everyone, ArbC has a point there. Harvard has done studies that show as much.

Imo it's also important to note however that most people live in fairly homogeneous communities to begin with. I'm not necessarily racist for only having white girlfriends in high school because at the time there was like 1 black girl for every 50 white girls (or whatever). The more rural it is, the worse it is in that regard.

quote:

native americans will marry anyone who isnt native american, apparently.

Like as to this, if you don't live on a reservation or whatever then odds are you're probably one of the only actual native americans surrounded by a sea of white people claiming 1/16th Cherokee princess ancestry.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Moridin920 posted:

Like as to this, if you don't live on a reservation or whatever then odds are you're probably one of the only actual native americans surrounded by a sea of white people claiming 1/16th Cherokee princess ancestry.

Amusingly, this process creates actual 1/16th Cherokee princesses

ArbitraryC
Jan 28, 2009
Pick a number, any number
Pillbug

Moridin920 posted:

There's some bias in almost everyone, ArbC has a point there. Harvard has done studies that show as much.

Imo it's also important to note however that most people live in fairly homogeneous communities to begin with. I'm not necessarily racist for only having white girlfriends in high school because at the time there was like 1 black girl for every 50 white girls (or whatever). The more rural it is, the worse it is in that regard.


Like as to this, if you don't live on a reservation or whatever then odds are you're probably one of the only actual native americans surrounded by a sea of white people claiming 1/16th Cherokee princess ancestry.

Really I just thought it was dumb because one: she literally said it first then somehow it blew up into this huge thing where he wasn't allowed in the international dorm anymore), and two, the people I know irl that are most vocal about that kind of poo poo are invariably lily white flowers dating frosty the snowman, you don't need to trip over yourself talking about how you might have hypothetically been okay dating a black person had situations been magically different and you weren't subconsciously gravitating towards people of your own ethnicity like p much everyone else.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
We know what your point is, it's just dumb bullshit.

Stunt_enby
Feb 6, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

ArbitraryC posted:

Really I just thought it was dumb because one: she literally said it first then somehow it blew up into this huge thing where he wasn't allowed in the international dorm anymore), and two, the people I know irl that are most vocal about that kind of poo poo are invariably lily white flowers dating frosty the snowman, you don't need to trip over yourself talking about how you might have hypothetically been okay dating a black person had situations been magically different and you weren't subconsciously gravitating towards people of your own ethnicity like p much everyone else.
stop defending racism pls

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
Racism is bad

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
Pulling off a wicked spinning heel-smash kick and hearing the wet crack of a dog's skull turning into bone powder is good.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
a fascist dog?

ALFbrot
Apr 17, 2002

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

oh shiiit it's an incelvalanche

Me [42 M ] with my self - still a virgin :(

quote:

-Molested by a man at around 16. More fondling rather than full blown sex. Was desperate to use a computer.

This made me cock my head at my monitor like a confused dog (who is soon to be powerbombed into a dumpster by a man in a suit)

Mirthless
Mar 27, 2011

by the sex ghost

Moridin920 posted:


Like as to this, if you don't live on a reservation or whatever then odds are you're probably one of the only actual native americans surrounded by a sea of white people claiming 1/16th Cherokee princess ancestry.

Living just outside of multiple reservations in Oklahoma, most of the people ON reservation are white too

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

Mirthless posted:

Living just outside of multiple reservations in Oklahoma, most of the people ON reservation are white too

At the reservations in the Pacific NW that isn't true, unless you are counting the customers at the ones where there is a casino.

Edit: also lol at being the arbiter of who is indian enough.

gentle pete
Feb 21, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo

Pick posted:

You have to swallow at least 1 cup of African-American semen to be not racist. (240 mL)

source?

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

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I Was The Fury
Oct 19, 2012

Always stop to smell the flowers, just in case they're weeds


Any African American male is a good enough source, just make sure you ask politely

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

No Yanda's allowed

therobit posted:

At the reservations in the Pacific NW that isn't true, unless you are counting the customers at the ones where there is a casino.

Edit: also lol at being the arbiter of who is indian enough.

No, there is a bit of truth to that. It is not an easy task to find a "true Indian", even on the Rez and the lateral violence resulting from that is staggering

Mirthless
Mar 27, 2011

by the sex ghost

therobit posted:

At the reservations in the Pacific NW that isn't true, unless you are counting the customers at the ones where there is a casino.

Edit: also lol at being the arbiter of who is indian enough.

Just talking about oklahoma, lol

If you lived here you would see what I mean

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
Also white people can and do own land on (most? all?) reservations. My family had some land on a reservation in the PNW for a while, but we ended up just giving it to the tribe because it wasn't worth anything or really accessible and I don't even know why we owned it.

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

Pick posted:

You have to swallow at least 1 cup of African-American semen to be not racist. (240 mL)

So at what point in the first date should I be asking if the dude takes L-arginine and eats lots of celery and pineapple?

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Pick posted:

You have to swallow at least 1 cup of African-American semen to be not racist. (240 mL)

goddamn one CUP


*sigh* better get myself situated and ready here

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
Guys! I did it! I found the perfect lady for dating men and women on the spectrum!

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

No Yanda's allowed

Pick posted:

Also white people can and do own land on (most? all?) reservations. My family had some land on a reservation in the PNW for a while, but we ended up just giving it to the tribe because it wasn't worth anything or really accessible and I don't even know why we owned it.

I don't think that'd fly where I live. You have to be a band member to own land on the Rez and even then it can be pretty tough. Then again, the way indigenous communities are governed is crazy complicated (and often riddled with nepotism)

E: FTR I know virtually nothing about treaties and such from a US perspective; only Canadian

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe
As in all things, there's a difference between having a preference and having a hard limit. Most people have moderate to strong racial preferences but saying that you will not allow your pure white DNA to be mongrelized does not win you bonus points for honesty.

Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray

Straight White Shark posted:

As in all things, there's a difference between having a preference and having a hard limit. Most people have moderate to strong racial preferences but saying that you will not allow your pure white DNA to be mongrelized does not win you bonus points for honesty.

Yep he sure walked right into that one. I think we can confidently say that her trap was sprung flawlessly

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Biscuit Hider
So we can probably add that to the list of topics no good can come from.

-"are you a virgin?"
-"how many people did you gently caress before we met?"
-"on a scale of 1-10, how sexy are diapers?"
-"race-mixing, what are your thoughts?"

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

fruit on the bottom posted:

So we can probably add that to the list of topics no good can come from.

-"are you a virgin?"
-"how many people did you gently caress before we met?"
-"on a scale of 1-10, how sexy are diapers?"
-"race-mixing, what are your thoughts?"

-"Seriously, what's your average ejaculate volume? The fewer loads you have to shoot into the graduated cylinder before I can be certified non-racist, the better for both of us, I figure"

I Was The Fury
Oct 19, 2012

Always stop to smell the flowers, just in case they're weeds

Me [31M] with my wife [30F] 3 years. Not attracted to her right now (not due to physical reasons).

quote:

Wife and I together 5 years. Married for almost 3. No kids. Relationship is overall good.

I'm going to preface this by saying none of the attraction issues are physical. I'm still physically attracted to my wife, so it's not a situation where she's gained weight or let herself go.

When we first met, my wife was bold and vivacious. Confident and sarcastic, maybe even a little brash. I liked that. It was a big part of why I fell in love with her.

About a year ago, that changed. We don't know why. There was no 'event.' She became more sad and sullen. She spent a lot of time crying. She became a very negative person. She eventually felt overwhelmed by everything and quit her job right before Christmas. She's had some trouble finding a new job and is now more depressed than ever. Sitting at home all day with just her thoughts seems to be making things worse.

She sees a shrink and is on anti-depressants (and has been for about 8 months). She sees a therapist once a week. She's been diagnosed with depression and anxiety and we are trying to deal with it.

I've been reading about depression and am trying to be supportive.

I'm posting because I'm having a problem that seems to be, from what I've read, atypical with depression.

My wife still wants to have sex. She has a high sex drive. Always has. Yet another thing I love about her. We used to have sex at least daily and she still wants that.

I know this is a terrible thing to say, but I'm not attracted to someone who's loving sad all the time.

She will literally spend hours talking to me about how depressed she is and how everything sucks and then she'll ask, with tears still on her face, if I want to go upstairs and have sex. Seriously? It's hard to hold someone's hand while they cry for 3 hours and then immediately turn on the sexy time. She says I don't initiate sex enough anymore. That's true. Nothing about the situation makes me want to. At first I was just trying to not push her (per the things I was reading) but she's straight up told me that she still wants to have sex regardless of how depressed she's feeling and I should just initiate like I used to. The problem is: I don't want to.

I can't tell her that. With everything else going on I can't loving tell her that I'm not attracted to her right now. I know she didn't choose to be depressed and she is seeking help. But that doesn't change the fact that I'm not turned on by sadness and negativity and she's emanating it.

I don't know what to do. Just suck it up and have sex? Is there a way I can talk to her about it without making it worse?

tl;dr: Wife has been suffering from depression but still has a high sex drive. I'm not attracted to her when she's like this. What do?

Sexy time

Mirthless
Mar 27, 2011

by the sex ghost
"My partner is broken and needs my support, can I repair her, or should I exchange her for a working model?"

54 40 or gently caress posted:

I don't think that'd fly where I live. You have to be a band member to own land on the Rez and even then it can be pretty tough. Then again, the way indigenous communities are governed is crazy complicated (and often riddled with nepotism)

E: FTR I know virtually nothing about treaties and such from a US perspective; only Canadian

only kind of related but on this note (and the general whiteness of the cherokee), but the NA out here basically voted out all of the black people on the technicality that they're not "real indians"

b/c, you know, they were descended from their slaves, rather than "actual" native americans

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therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

54 40 or gently caress posted:

I don't think that'd fly where I live. You have to be a band member to own land on the Rez and even then it can be pretty tough. Then again, the way indigenous communities are governed is crazy complicated (and often riddled with nepotism)

E: FTR I know virtually nothing about treaties and such from a US perspective; only Canadian

I wrote a long rear end post about this that my lovely phone deleted, but basically therw was a long period of time where the BIA had as its stated goal to "civilize the indian" by making him behave like a white person and being a farmer. One of the ways this was done was to deed out "allotments" from the reservation land to individuals, some of whom would turn around and sell the land when they needed money. Some/a lot of land ended up in white hands through this mechanism. Some tribes have bought some of it back, and a lot of them have taken the remaining land and no longer allow fee simple ownership of allotments any more.

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