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thechosenone posted:Listen, that is cool of you to say, but I'm honestly thinking that If I want to be of use, that I should stop letting myself post on this forum. Which I'm gonna do until I can't. 
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Looking out for number one is the first step to becoming a shithead libertarian I don't recommend it.
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Push El Burrito posted:Looking out for number one is the first step to becoming a shithead libertarian I don't recommend it. Probably, though to be honest I think thapaosfopaioaf aioai aopaihfapoi <- That is about the meaningfulness of what I was about to say. As it is, maybe if I can succeed in taking care of myself, then maybe I can help those close to me. If I can help those close to me, maybe I can help those in my community. If I can do that, I can probably spread out even further. That is nothing but platitudes though. You won't have to worry about me becoming a shithead libertarian. Not because of me thinking communism is cool, because that is just lip service, but probably because I am so incompetent that it is unlikely I will ever be able to take care of myself, much less be a vocal whiny idiot (or you know, more of one). I guess the idea was to say that if I can't even take care of myself, that there is no reason to believe I can be anything other than a dead weight on everyone else.
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sorry double post.
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Push El Burrito posted:Looking out for number one is the first step to becoming a shithead libertarian I don't recommend it. captain whiny over there isn't being serious they're just fishing for attention
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Mar 1, 2017 02:26
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Tess quit barreling the guy. Go gently caress up the cuck porn defenders in Trumpthread if you're bored.
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Alrighty, I think I've embarassed myself enough for one day. Mods, thank you for not banning me, and regular posters of this forum, thank you for I don't know, not punching my face through the internet because of how stupid I am. Hope things turn out better for everyone here in the Great Race Space, I figure you'll all be much happier to listen to me blather about communism or something once you are actually given something approaching a fair lot in life. Heck, if that happens in my life, I'll imagine full communism will be a easy.
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thechosenone posted:But do you think that as racial inequality is addressed, that it will make it easier to address income inequality? I don't get what the emotional stuff is about so just gonna bypass it. The problem with a certain kind of leftist is that they think class war supersedes all other forms of inequality, when in reality it encompasses them. Meaningful advancement on racial inequality cannot help but address income inequality since that's a key component of systemic racism. Meaningful advancement on workers rights cannot help but address sexual harassment since that's a key component of systemic sexism. And so on and so on.
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Something I was watching about Cuba a while back made it very clear that socialism was supposed to make everyone equal, at least according to the people in charge. What happened instead is darker skinned Cubans are targeted by police at higher rates than the rest of society and are subject to pretty much the same issues they are in capitalist societies when compared to their lighter skinned fellows, who all in all seem to get a pretty fair deal for as far as that goes in Cuba.
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there wolf posted:I don't get what the emotional stuff is about so just gonna bypass it. Oh okay this is cool I can actually work with this. Yes, yes, yes, yes. A thousand times yes. I figure that the real barrier to economic equality is basically all the other inequalities. Does it make sense to figure that this also holds for one type of inequality in relation to other inequalities? I mean, I would figure that african american rights went a long way to help with the treatment of other folks, since if one destroys some of the barriers between one group and another, it puts into question the barriers we put between ourselves and other groups.
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remusclaw posted:Something I was watching about Cuba a while back made it very clear that socialism was supposed to make everyone equal, at least according to the people in charge. What happened instead is darker skinned Cubans are targeted by police at higher rates than the rest of society and are subject to pretty much the same issues they are in capitalist societies when compared to their lighter skinned fellows, who all in all seem to get a pretty fair deal for as far as that goes in Cuba. Wow really? poo poo. That is weird. Is lighter skin tone correlated with being more racist or something? I mean like in general.
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Change in government does not mean the way parent's teach their children in their home's change. It doesn't mean that long seated ignorance and attitudes change. The people in the police force are no more radical leftist revolutionaries than American police are dedicated agents of capitalism. People are people, and lots of people are awful, and when awful people find themselves with a modicum of authority, they step on those they see as less than them. Everyone is equal but some people are more equal than others. People who were on the bottom when the revolution occurred found themselves on the less equal than side of things in the aftermath. Here are some articles which are probably a good deal better at getting what is going on there a lot better than I am. Here is a decent article from Al Jazeera. http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/8/13/amid-sweeping-changes-in-us-relations-cubas-race-problem-persists.html And from the Atlanta Black Star http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/12...ty-and-culture/ “There is an unstated threat. Blacks in Cuba know that whenever you raise race in Cuba, you go to jail,” says Carlos Moore, who has written extensively on the issue." remusclaw fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Mar 1, 2017 |
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Mar 1, 2017 03:07
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thechosenone posted:Wow really? poo poo. That is weird. Is lighter skin tone correlated with being more racist or something? I mean like in general. Lighter skin tone are probably descendants of European immigrants, and the darker are either slave or native descendants, so its just good old fashioned racial purity. Star bellied sneeches and all that.
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Mar 1, 2017 03:14
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Colorism is pretty common all over the globe, even in places like India where it predates white invasion.
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All that aside, the key point to get is that socialism doesn't fix racial inequality.
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Mar 1, 2017 03:17
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That makes sense, but surely when we manage to push ahead of the public's general opinion, it helps people to realize that treating people with some modicum decency isn't so bad right? Actually now that I say that, it makes even more sense to push for local elections since one state having a greater degree of equality helps to normalize it for adjacent states.
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remusclaw posted:All that aside, the key point to get is that socialism doesn't fix racial inequality. Yeah I understand that more clearly now. What does everyone think of Perez's appointment to DNC chairman? I actually appreciate that he appointed Ellison as vice-chairman. Is everyone at TGRS okay with this turn of events?
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thechosenone posted:Yeah I understand that more clearly now. What does everyone think of Perez's appointment to DNC chairman? I actually appreciate that he appointed Ellison as vice-chairman. Is everyone at TGRS okay with this turn of events? I am perfectly fine with either one of them. I think Perez has done great things previously.
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I like Perez a lot and I'm glad he'll be working with Ellison, who is also great .
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I want the Democrats to win. The lefter the better, but I will vote Dem until such time as there is an electable better option. I know enough people for whom it matters a great deal and I know of far more.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:I like Perez a lot and I'm glad he'll be working with Ellison, who is also great . Wonderful, I feel reassured. Heck, I'm pleased as punch by the whole thing.
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remusclaw posted:I want the Democrats to win. The lefter the better, but I will vote Dem until such time as there is an electable better option. I know enough people for whom it matters a great deal and I know of far more. Oh yes, me too. While I voted for Bernie in the primary, I did not hesitate in the slightest to vote for Hillary in the general. I'll likely vote in the midterms as well, and probably the election days where neither are happening , at least if any elections are happening where I can vote.
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I hope Perez sticks to his commitments to having the Dems defend voting rights because the DOJ isn't doing poo poo against voter ID laws anymore.
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Pastrymancy posted:I hope Perez sticks to his commitments to having the Dems defend voting rights because the DOJ isn't doing poo poo against voter ID laws anymore. Yeah, I feel like one of the main things propping up Republicans is voter ID laws. I mean, I honestly don't think we should be allowed to restrict the rights of felons to vote. Honestly, I think if someone has spent seven years Mainly in the US that they should automatically become citizens. That make any sense? If folks in this thread have different opinions, I'll pretty much roll over, I don't really have too much invested. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Republicans are holding on through voter ID laws, gerrymandering, and good ol' fashioned racism and spite.
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Push El Burrito posted:Republicans are holding on through voter ID laws, gerrymandering, and good ol' fashioned racism and spite. It's pretty much all gerrymandering, electioneering, and hatred for Democrats. Voter ID Laws just fall under electioneering. It belongs alongside reducing polling sites in large urban areas, reducing polling place hours, and whatever other dumb thing they can think of to keep working-adults from voting in PoC-dense districts. It all amounts to systemic voter suppression in opposition districts, and they get away with it because much of it aligns with their stated goals of reducing cost to government and trueing the vote by weeding out those pesky ILLEGAL immigrant voters. The real racism comes later in the state house when they pass anti-gang laws that can send kids to jail for decades for just being in a gang and committing a crime. Anti-gang laws... the new NEW hate crime legislation that's targeted at specifically minorities, because they got tired of hate crime laws being turned on whites. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Mar 1, 2017 |
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Chilichimp posted:It's pretty much all gerrymandering, electioneering, and hatred for Democrats. And they justify it all by saying Democrats would do the same given the chance, so it's all classified as retaliation in their minds even though they're making the first move. Democrats do gerrymander, but all the voter suppression poo poo is a Republican specialty. They just can't imagine anyone could believe in fairness if they don't.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:And they justify it all by saying Democrats would do the same given the chance, so it's all classified as retaliation in their minds even though they're making the first move. Democrats do gerrymander, but all the voter suppression poo poo is a Republican specialty. They just can't imagine anyone could believe in fairness if they don't. Yeah, that excuse is about to die the final death, though, because California (Democrat Mecca) just took redistricting out of the hands of the state legislature.
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Chilichimp posted:It's pretty much all gerrymandering, electioneering, and hatred for Democrats. At least some prosecutors and judges don't have time for that poo poo. They used the anti-gang laws against those assholes who spent two days driving around Douglasville, drinking, waving Confederate flags, and ultimately rolling up on a child's birthday party to threaten the family with guns.
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there wolf posted:At least some prosecutors and judges don't have time for that poo poo. They used the anti-gang laws against those assholes who spent two days driving around Douglasville, drinking, waving Confederate flags, and ultimately rolling up on a child's birthday party to threaten the family with guns. I laughed and laughed. gently caress them.
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Chilichimp posted:Yeah, that excuse is about to die the final death, though, because California (Democrat Mecca) just took redistricting out of the hands of the state legislature. I thought we did that a few years ago? I remember seeing the new districts after the independent commission released them and thinking that they totally rocked.
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Veskit posted:I was upset by the punishment those 2 got, but overall I'm fairly upset at the criminal justice system and especially how long black people go to jail. Just LOL if you think any part of the American Criminal Justice System has anything to do with rehabilitation as opposed to punishment and free labor for private corporations.
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Just LOL if you think any part of the American Criminal Justice System has anything to do with rehabilitation as opposed to punishment and free labor for private corporations. It's not what I think it is it's what i Hope it becomes and I don't think puting a dude in jail for 17 years for being a racist jackass is progress on any level. Also cheering it as much as I've seen.
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Veskit posted:It's not what I think it is it's what i Hope it becomes and I don't think puting a dude in jail for 17 years for being a racist jackass is progress on any level. Also cheering it as much as I've seen. Same, man. Same  Still, though, bet they didn't see THAT poo poo coming!
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The application of idealistic sentencing should first go to the minorities that have been oppressed by the justice system, not the whites that continue to benefit from it so much in literally every single arena of criminal law.
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Veskit posted:It's not what I think it is it's what i Hope it becomes and I don't think puting a dude in jail for 17 years for being a racist jackass is progress on any level. Also cheering it as much as I've seen. I'm torn on it. I'm kind of glad to see the fangs coming out in this case, and I hope it actually leads to people giving it a more critical look, but it's probably just another one of those cases where it goes over the line to where everyone's comfortable throwing the book at them and is going to get used to normalize all sorts of wildly inappropriate punishments in the future and is just the exception that proves the rule.
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biracial bear for uncut posted:The application of idealistic sentencing should first go to the minorities that have been oppressed by the justice system, not the whites that continue to benefit from it so much in literally every single arena of criminal law. From the justice system perspective or the personal perspective? Why can't it be both if it's personal? I'm not going to be happy about a jackass white doing going to jail for 17 years for being a racist and I won't be happy for a black dude going to jail for 3 years for having a dime bag on him. xthetenth posted:I'm torn on it. I'm kind of glad to see the fangs coming out in this case, and I hope it actually leads to people giving it a more critical look, but it's probably just another one of those cases where it goes over the line to where everyone's comfortable throwing the book at them and is going to get used to normalize all sorts of wildly inappropriate punishments in the future and is just the exception that proves the rule. Exactly. Systematic issues beget systematic issues.
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