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YggdrasilTM posted:Never understood the artifact removal complain. There are Fragmentize and Natural state. They are one mana artifact removal spells. Sorcery speed 1 for 1 removal is rarely good. Both cards don't even hit all the artifacts you would want them to. Red's artifact removal is also pretty poo poo because http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/157828862678/care-to-explain-the-snapcaster-rarityshift#notes Nobody believes this mark. It was better to simply not replied at all. Sickening fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Mar 1, 2017 |
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Hellsau posted:I figured that was going to be downshifted to Uncommon. That would have been cool and good This is first really, really poo poo rare we've seen.
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Mar 1, 2017 07:22
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Sickening posted:Sorcery speed 1 for 1 removal is rarely good. Anyway, Release the gremlins? E: also 
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Mar 1, 2017 07:26
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Come on, seriously?
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Mar 1, 2017 07:45
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YggdrasilTM posted:What. Do you need to remove Marvel or skysovereign? This reprint does nothing but completely destroy a draft, correct?
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Mar 1, 2017 07:46
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TheKingofSprings posted:This reprint does nothing but completely destroy a draft, correct? Correct. You put it in your white decks because the times where it rots in your opening hand, or where you draw it turn 1, 2, or 3, are outweighed by the times where you just draw it on the sixth turn and make three 4/4 fliers and win the game outright.
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Mar 1, 2017 07:57
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Hellsau posted:Correct. You put it in your white decks because the times where it rots in your opening hand, or where you draw it turn 1, 2, or 3, are outweighed by the times where you just draw it on the sixth turn and make three 4/4 fliers and win the game outright. Even in this limited format, a 4/4 flier for 5 is probably still playable and it will scale up quite well anyways.
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Mar 1, 2017 08:05
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TheKingofSprings posted:Even in this limited format, a 4/4 flier for 5 is probably still playable and it will scale up quite well anyways. serra angel seems okay
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Mar 1, 2017 08:16
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Is this the set that they finally reprint Glimpse the Unthinkable? If it happens, Wizards will probably make the brilliant move of making it a mythic.
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Mar 1, 2017 09:04
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Marshal Sutcliffe has some preview cards that i'm sure everyone will enjoy playing against: https://twitter.com/Marshall_LR/status/836856726133608454
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Mar 1, 2017 09:40
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That new Momentary Blink art is pretty hilarious.
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Mar 1, 2017 09:46
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this set if nothing else looks like its gonna be a much more fun draft than MM15.
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Mar 1, 2017 09:52
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Ah, I see Wizards is using the excellent set building technique of "add as many Avacyn Restored cards as possible"
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Mar 1, 2017 10:06
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Elyv posted:Ah, I see Wizards is using the excellent set building technique of "add as many Avacyn Restored cards as possible" I'd have been okay if they reprinted Avacyn herself instead of Entreat the Angels.
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Mar 1, 2017 10:09
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Elyv posted:Ah, I see Wizards is using the excellent set building technique of "add as many Avacyn Restored cards as possible" There's already two unconditional and efficient removal spells spoiled, which is two more than were in Avacyn Restored. But yeah, if the WU archetype is "blink" there's no real way to balance that - either they draw their 187 creatures and their blink effects and wildly thrash their opponent, or there's a bunch of efficient answers (like Lightning Bolt) so you try to Blink your Mist Raven, get it shocked in response, and you're out a bunch of tempo. Or the UB deck might actually get good counterspells and just counter your four mana 2/2s.
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Mar 1, 2017 10:11
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Sickening posted:Sorcery speed 1 for 1 removal is rarely good. You know, I don't know who is dumber: Mark Rosewater for answering these questions as if he's the boss of all WotC and has the final say about all things Magic or the people that think he's that guy.
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Mar 1, 2017 10:18
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Star Man posted:I'd have been okay if they reprinted Avacyn herself instead of Entreat the Angels. If they're going to print miracles then the only other options for white are terminus, which doesn't seem much if any better than entreat for limited, or completely worthless banishing stroke
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Mar 1, 2017 10:33
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UberJew posted:If they're going to print miracles then the only other options for white are terminus, which doesn't seem much if any better than entreat for limited, or completely worthless banishing stroke They don't have to reprint all the mythic Miracles. They could just print Temporal Mastery (because Time Walk) and Bonfire (because red has poo poo for mythic candidates and because Brian Kibler and LSV.) There's plenty of other white cards to print over Terminus or Entreat, both of which were reprinted in very low value FTVs.
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Plus OG Avacyn doesn't seem a great fit, I doubt you could really play it in this limited format (although Unburial Rites seems like a distinct possiblity, but there are better targets I'm sure) and it's not super in demand for constructed outside EDH, and she was in that FTV.
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If I ever find my cards from urza/invasion/odyssey, am I allowed to use them at a Friday night magic? I want to play again, but only have cards from 2011ish and late 90sish. All I remember is windfall was banned, and I love that card. Edited for getting the sets right. ilmucche fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Mar 1, 2017 |
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ilmucche posted:If I ever find my cards from urza/invasion/odyssey, am I allowed to use them at a Friday night magic? I want to play again, but only have cards from 2011ish and late 90sish. Probably not unless your store does Legacy as its FNM format (which would be amazing) If you want back in, figure out when your store does Draft or Sealed events and go to those. You'll end up building a deck to play with as part of the event.
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Mar 1, 2017 13:34
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Star Man posted:You know, I don't know who is dumber: Mark Rosewater for answering these questions as if he's the boss of all WotC and has the final say about all things Magic or the people that think he's that guy. I thought that for a while after I started because "Lead Designer" sounds authoritative, MaRo seems to be the one in charge, and he makes the really big announcements. Once I learned that his job is technically to be in charge of designing cards I became very, very confused why he's the one talking to the public. The guy seems to think that saying "we want to make money when we sell this set" is an answer no one will accept and it makes all his design justifications sound phony. e: ilmucche posted:If I ever find my cards from urza/invasion/odyssey, am I allowed to use them at a Friday night magic? I want to play again, but only have cards from 2011ish and late 90sish. As previously stated, try drafting first unless you have a substantial collection of Legacy stuff and can build right into a deck. Otherwise if you eventually feel like playing constructed buy a deck in the best format: modern. ThePeavstenator fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Mar 1, 2017 |
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People on the internet are really obtuse though. They want wizards to follow the secondary market and reprint cards that are expensive, but when wizards does something like reprinting snap at mythic (since they have to keep some cards expensive to keep selling packs in the future) everyone is like but but wizards i thought you don't follow the secondary market 
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Mar 1, 2017 15:11
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Anyone complaining about this set should really find another hobby.
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mcmagic posted:Anyone complaining about this set should really find another hobby. Yeah, this looks rad as hell to draft aside from entreat the angels.
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mcmagic posted:Anyone complaining about this set should really find another hobby. I don't think anyone in here is complaining about the set. Bob and Goyf both got shifted to mythic, it shouldn't be a surprise that Snappy did too. I do think it's fair to bring up the dumb post hoc design justifications MaRo does for poo poo like this tho. Just say that it was consistent with that happened with the other modern staple bears and that you wanted the set to have value, or just don't answer at all.
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Yeah, I understand they can't acknowledge the secondary market for legal reasons or whatever (although I don't really see why, it's their game), but I'd prefer them to just not comment on stuff like that instead of engaging in double-speak.
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Bonus posted:Yeah, I understand they can't acknowledge the secondary market for legal reasons or whatever (although I don't really see why, it's their game), but I'd prefer them to just not comment on stuff like that instead of engaging in double-speak. I actually think he might be telling the truth... Snapcaster's price point really isn't that insane and hasn't been even going back a few years. They printed a card like Noble Hierarch at rare even though it's price has been consistently more than Snapcaster and will continue to be more even though it was last printed as a rare vs a mythic.
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mcmagic posted:Anyone complaining about this set should really find another hobby. You can love the set and still be annoyed by a few dumb moves. Bonus posted:People on the internet are really obtuse though. They want wizards to follow the secondary market and reprint cards that are expensive, but when wizards does something like reprinting snap at mythic (since they have to keep some cards expensive to keep selling packs in the future) everyone is like but but wizards i thought you don't follow the secondary market People want WOTC to reprint cards they want to play with. Price mostly goes hand in hand with popularity. Printing snap at mythic is two steps forward one step back. Its in the right direction for sure. While not having a reprint at all would have been worse, decreasing the amount of snapcasters printed in the set by 75% is not a irrelevant thing. ThePeavstenator posted:I don't think anyone in here is complaining about the set. Bob and Goyf both got shifted to mythic, it shouldn't be a surprise that Snappy did too. Its just like with stoddard came out and said that feedback for standard was mostly positive. Probably should have just left that part out. Sickening fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Mar 1, 2017 |
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How much research into the current block would I need to draft? I'm not even remotely savvy as to what's come out in the past bunch of years.
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Sickening posted:You can love the set and still be annoyed by a few dumb moves. I don't think Snapcaster being a mythic in this set will have any real impact on it's price. It was 40 bucks a week ago. The new one is going to sell for 30 and that would be the case even if it was a rare.
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I guess we can draft ISD-RTR standard decks. At least in theory.
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ilmucche posted:How much research into the current block would I need to draft? I'm not even remotely savvy as to what's come out in the past bunch of years. Not a whole lot, if you're at an FNM the skill levels can range from "knows every card in the set and pick order" to "picking cards that look cool". If you want to learn about the set (and modern limited strategy in general) to some degree before drafting it, the Limited Resources podcast is really good.
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mcmagic posted:I don't think Snapcaster being a mythic in this set will have any real impact on it's price. It was 40 bucks a week ago. The new one is going to sell for 30 and that would be the case even if it was a rare. While price memory is a thing, no, decreasing production of the card by 75% would affect what the price would have been pretty substantially. I really do love the set. I genuinlly hope that this prints so much loving money for WOTC that it opens eyes at board meetings and someone that makes decisions will decide these sets need to happen more often. Modern and EDH can be a cash cow if you loving make products people want to buy.
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ThePeavstenator posted:...it was consistent with that happened with the other modern staple bears... Stone Forge Mystic and Young Pyromancer confirmed mythic in Eternal Masters 2
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Sickening posted:While price memory is a thing, no, decreasing production of the card by 75% would affect what the price would have been pretty substantially. I keep coming back to Hierarch. It's a 50 dollar card now. Do you think it would really be much more than that if it was a Mythic in MM15?
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I suspect that if this set sells really well beyond one print run, we will magically see higher-level Modern events re-materialize.
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mcmagic posted:I keep coming back to Hierarch. It's a 50 dollar card now. Do you think it would really be much more than that if it was a Mythic in MM15? Yes? Help me understand how this isn't obvious. Not trying to to hurl poo poo at you, but I am having a hard time understanding what part of this could be more clear.
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Sickening posted:Yes? Help me understand how this isn't obvious. Not trying to to hurl poo poo at you, but I am having a hard time understanding what part of this could be more clear. So the MM15 "Mythic Hierarch" would be more expensive than the Conflux one that is also 50 bucks?
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