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80s James Hetfield posted:After EMA Crypt is still $60, FOW $60, JTMS $60 All of those cards were around $100 before EMA released. They're high demand mythics from $10 packs, it's not reasonable to expect much lower than that. Should they have instead made them rares in $4 EMA packs to get people playing Legacy? Of course they should have. But a small step is better than no step.
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80s James Hetfield posted:After EMA Crypt is still $60, FOW $60, JTMS $60 80s James Hetfield posted:None of these cards should be above $10.00 when all is said and done if WoTC would handle this correctly Sickening posted:Nobody says this, shut up. Right you are!
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These Miracles cards were kind of unneeded reprints. It's not like A) they are played in Modern or B) are all that expensive.
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The Shortest Path posted:All of those cards were around $100 before EMA released. They're high demand mythics from $10 packs, it's not reasonable to expect much lower than that. Yes it is, there should be every expectation from the player base that these cards should have dropped more than maybe $40.00 give or take. These prices still lock out 85% of the player base, hell probably more since the only people paying these prices are A. Pro's or B. People who will buy these cards at their insane price then go pay another $85 or whatever to play in an SCG or GP. These people are a mere fraction of the MTG community. poo poo like this is why the chinese counterfeits are at an all time high.
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mcmagic posted:These Miracles cards were kind of unneeded reprints. It's not like A) they are played in Modern or B) are all that expensive. At least they might be fun in draft, with 20 less cards making them more likely to be on top(in theory).
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Star Man posted:More importantly, where are the cats that were trying to get a huge stack of Bazaar Traders and Cosi's Tricksters in 2010? Late, but I still have the huge stack of Cosi's Tricksters.
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I wonder what 247 is... land in between Selesnya and Simic Gates.
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March 2017 Ban List Update: Legacy: Sensei's Divining Top has been banned.
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80s James Hetfield posted:Yes it is, there should be every expectation from the player base that these cards should have dropped more than maybe $40.00 give or take. Oh okay so you're like the DaD posters who think that anything other than Full Communism Now is bad and that there isn't a middleground between how things are now and how things should be. Perfection is the enemy of progress, etc.
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mcmagic posted:These Miracles cards were kind of unneeded reprints. It's not like A) they are played in Modern or B) are all that expensive. Or C) make draft even vaguely fun. I'd just as soon they pretend Miracles isn't a real thing.
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The Shortest Path posted:Oh okay so you're like the DaD posters who think that anything other than Full Communism Now is bad and that there isn't a middleground between how things are now and how things should be. Not sure how you made this parallel
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mcmagic posted:I wonder what 247 is... land in between Selesnya and Simic Gates. Shimmering Grotto is the only one that isn't part of a cycle which fits, sadly.
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The Shortest Path posted:Shimmering Grotto is the only one that isn't part of a cycle which fits, sadly. Jeez that was quick work by you.
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80s James Hetfield posted:Not sure how you made this parallel It's a very easy parallel to make. Your point can basically be summed up as "This thing that lowers prices is bad because it doesn't lower them enough" which totally ignores the fact that it's still an improvement over the present. This exact argument is made by certain dumb DaD posters regarding economic policies.
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TheKingofSprings posted:March 2017 Ban List Update: I'm waiting for it even though it's not even the right card to ban. WotC is really bad at making eternal formats. And standard formats for that matter.
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mcmagic posted:Jeez that was quick work by you. You're gonna love Mythic Cavern of Souls.
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InterrupterJones posted:At least they might be fun in draft, with 20 less cards making them more likely to be on top(in theory). This is incorrect, because miracles are never fun.
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Angry Grimace posted:You're gonna love Mythic Cavern of Souls. That was a given.
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mcmagic posted:These Miracles cards were kind of unneeded reprints. It's not like A) they are played in Modern or B) are all that expensive. White doesn't have a whole lot of staples and most of the cards that see play are being reprinted except for RIP. I guess they could also reprint Lingering Souls but that card isn't even a dollar right now. They fit pretty well into white and red in the rare slot and they do get played in other formats. I'm glad they're at least putting something in those slots that's worth something or played somewhere.
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ThePeavstenator posted:White doesn't have a whole lot of staples and most of the cards that see play are being reprinted except for RIP. I guess they could also reprint Lingering Souls but that card isn't even a dollar right now. They should reprint Angels Grace and Phyrexian Unlife.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:This is incorrect, because miracles are never fun. counterpoint: 
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Miracles are loving stupid and if you think they look fun you probably never played against one. Nothing like a mechanic that shouts, "HEY OPPONENT LOOK AT THIS AWESOME CARD I TOPDECKED JUST NOW AND GET TO CAST FOR SUPER CHEAP!" Designing cards to publicly reward you for topdecking them is just stupid game design. It's not so much that its a bad choice from a pure strategy perspective, but its a bad choice from the perspective of making the game fun for players. Your opponent topdecking stuff is already tilting; the game doesn't need to shout it from the rooftops that it happened.
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Elyv posted:counterpoint: Do you have a link to this video?
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The Shortest Path posted:It's a very easy parallel to make. Your point can basically be summed up as "This thing that lowers prices is bad because it doesn't lower them enough" which totally ignores the fact that it's still an improvement over the present. This exact argument is made by certain dumb DaD posters regarding economic policies. Your trying to make parallels between an actual economic capitalist system and a card game. That's kind of hilarious, I don't think anyone is arguing the merit of a card that was once $100 maybe now costing $80. Sure, we can all see that savings of $20.00 but your normal MTG player or 16-21 year old who'd love to break into Modern but can't afford (insert card) at $100 more than likely isn't going to buy the card now that it's $80.
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Miracles, both the deck and mechanic, rule.
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mcmagic posted:They should reprint Angels Grace and Phyrexian Unlife. Phyrexian Unlife is a 2$ card.
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Elyv posted:counterpoint: This is Hearthstone encapsulated
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80s James Hetfield posted:Your trying to make parallels between an actual economic capitalist system and a card game. The game stopped being targeted at 16-21 year olds like 15 years ago. Even the cheapest Tier 1 Modern deck is still $500.
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Angry Grimace posted:The game stopped being targeted at 16-21 year olds like 15 years ago. Even the cheapest Tier 1 Modern deck is still $500. Actually it didn't, there's a reason draft and standard are the big pushes
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Angry Grimace posted:The game stopped being targeted at 16-21 year olds like 15 years ago. Lol what?!
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TheKingofSprings posted:Actually it didn't, there's a reason draft and standard are the big pushes Yep. I ran a kids summer program awhile back and everybody was into magic and spent a TON on it. Who do you thinks buys tons of boosters hoping to get that one card they want? I know I did that when I was 12.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Actually it didn't, there's a reason draft and standard are the big pushes I mean, I get what you're saying, but that's always been true. I mean more this type of product and formats like Modern in general. The idea of a competitive game with collectible game pieces that's somehow cheap doesn't make financial sense. I'm down with the idea that Abzan shouldn't be a $2,000 deck, but the idea its ever going to be attainable for people with little to no disposable income without the game itself cratering is somewhat ludicrous.
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Wizards would love if modern and legacy died off so they could focus their efforts on solely Standard and sell $4.99 packs to kids hoping to rip a dope mythic while maybe putting out a commander set now and again
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mcmagic posted:They should reprint Angels Grace and Phyrexian Unlife. Death is a preferrable alternative to Ad Nauseum, miracles is a close second. Although I guess they can still also reprint Worship, not that I want more Eldrazi decks.
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Angry Grimace posted:I mean, I get what you're saying, but that's always been true. I mean more this type of product and formats like Modern in general. The idea of a competitive game with collectible game pieces that's somehow cheap doesn't make financial sense. I'm down with the idea that Abzan shouldn't be a $2,000 deck, but the idea its ever going to be attainable for people with little to no disposable income without the game itself cratering is somewhat ludicrous. Works out well enough for Hearthstone and that game is awful
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Elyv posted:counterpoint: The what have I done look on forsythe's face is the best part of this gif.
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