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TheKingofSprings posted:Works out well enough for Hearthstone and that game is awful Hearthstone doesn't have trading or a secondary market. If it did, their business model wouldn't work at all.
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The Shortest Path posted:Do you have a link to this video? I do not, I just think the gif is funny. The game is from the world championships iirc
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The Shortest Path posted:Hearthstone doesn't have trading or a secondary market. If it did, their business model wouldn't work at all. Doesn't it have the ability to break cards down into dust to buy the cards you do want?
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80s James Hetfield posted:Wizards would love if modern and legacy died off so they could focus their efforts on solely Standard and sell $4.99 packs to kids hoping to rip a dope mythic while maybe putting out a commander set now and again So we're back around to the Modern Killing Illuminati theory, I see.
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80s James Hetfield posted:Wizards would love if modern and legacy died off so they could focus their efforts on solely Standard and sell $4.99 packs to kids hoping to rip a dope mythic while maybe putting out a commander set now and again Yes they would love that so much they're printing their third modern-only set, which they expect to be a huge financial failure
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TheKingofSprings posted:Doesn't it have the ability to break cards down into dust to buy the cards you do want? It does, but that means your collection doesn't maintain any kind of value relative to itself. If I have a 4k dust deck and want to switch to a different 4k dust deck, I can't just trade for it with another player who wants my deck, I have to spend a bunch of money on packs. Cards only dust for 1/4 value so you have to keep buying in which fuels their sales a lot. With Magic, you can just trade or buy singles, and cards never go away, which means Wizards has to price their product accordingly since you can get the cards you want from someone else. The economies of the two games aren't really comparable, though I agree Wizards could afford to swing much closer in that direction and make more money off of more sales.
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Angry Grimace posted:So we're back around to the Modern Killing Illuminati theory, I see. I mean that's a little far fetched to say obviously they can put out money grabbing supplemental sets they can make a killing off (this, commander, etc) of but let's not act like they're supporting the format on a grandiose level with endless sponsored events and Pro Tour support 22 Standard GP's vs. 8 Modern in 2017. We can obviously tell the direction they care about moving in.
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RembrandtQEinstein posted:Yep. I ran a kids summer program awhile back and everybody was into magic and spent a TON on it. Who do you thinks buys tons of boosters hoping to get that one card they want? I know I did that when I was 12. You just reminded me that I've bought only two booster boxes in my life, one of which was an Eighth Edition box I spilt with a buddy when I was 14 (the other was original Conspiracy and I went in on it with my playgroup so) People of all ages are bad with money.
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ShaneB posted:Where are people tracking the setlist/possibilities? I'm curious about some speculation. No one actually linked you to the live one, so this is the main public one I believe: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e8U-FXfptKSAyUEpSkwHDD4epfphiidqluZ2kgeNezQ/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true
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mehall posted:No one actually linked you to the live one, so this is the main public one I believe: this is so aspergery it hurts
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80s James Hetfield posted:I mean that's a little far fetched to say obviously they can put out money grabbing supplemental sets they can make a killing off (this, commander, etc) of but let's not act like they're supporting the format on a grandiose level with endless sponsored events and Pro Tour support https://twitter.com/HeleneBergeot/status/836993070151303168 This raises the question: What does Wizards think the purpose of the set is?
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:https://twitter.com/HeleneBergeot/status/836993070151303168 Why do they keep doing this? 
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:https://twitter.com/HeleneBergeot/status/836993070151303168 
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2h James Chillcott @MTGCritic @Grecco @bmkibler @MishrasFotoshop @HeleneBergeot You are underestimating the brand equity value of rising collection values
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80s James Hetfield posted:this is so aspergery it hurts I'm happy to let other people work this out for me, in case something I kinda need for a deck gets confirmed as not in the set, because it might save me smoe money. I don't contribute, I'm not spending that time and energy. In other MM17 news, LGS confirmed they're doing it for £180, so me and the GF are halving in and we'll draft with friends and keep the cards. So long as I get at least one fetch (ideally verdant catacombs but I can always trade) and a few other handy things, I'll be happy.
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Chill la Chill posted:2h This is literally the same thing as locking movies away in The Disney Vault (TM).
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The Shortest Path posted:Hearthstone doesn't have trading or a secondary market. If it did, their business model wouldn't work at all. Hearthstone's business model appeals to people because if you spend 5 hours a day playing Hearthstone for 6 months you'll never have to spend any money on the game and so it's completely free to play. Much like how I had someone argue with me for half an hour about why Path of Exile's business model (the only things you can buy are item stash space and cosmetic effects) is infinitely more unethical and pay to win than League of Legends (where you can eventually grind hard enough to get all the necessary runes and heroes for the single specific role that you play and never deviate from if you play 5 hours a day for 6 months).
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Wurzag posted:I really wish they were reprinting through the breach like that madman's spreadsheet claims It doesn't claim it (unless it's been edited since you looked) if it's not in the 2nd column, it's speculation for what cards they might want to include in the set that fit.
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:https://twitter.com/HeleneBergeot/status/836993070151303168 Has there ever been a company as resistant to turning a profit or growing their market share as WOTC?
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:The what have I done look on forsythe's face is the best part of this gif. A couple seconds after the gif ends BDM looks at Forsythe with this "well that was lovely" lip out nodding head expression and Forsythe looks even more like "drat it, we hosed up"
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Mar 1, 2017 21:17
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:Has there ever been a company as resistant to turning a profit or growing their market share as WOTC? This is the same company holding fast to a lame promise made to a few hundred grognards over a decade ago about reserved cards
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80s James Hetfield posted:This is the same company holding fast to a lame promise made to a few hundred grognards over a decade ago about reserved cards Decades. It's been long enough that we get to use the plural now.
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Star Man posted:Decades. It's been long enough that we get to use the plural now. I'm one of the guys who still thinks the 90's were 10 years ago
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:Has there ever been a company as resistant to turning a profit or growing their market share as WOTC? Games Workshop?
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:This is literally the same thing as locking movies away in The Disney Vault (TM). Hahah the Disney Vault is beyond idiotic. I thought my sister was joking about it until I went in search of some Disney movies for my niece and nephew. It's a bad sign when my sister who would gladly pay full price for Blu Rays asks me to pirate a bunch of movies so her kids can watch Disney classics. Rap Record Hoarder posted:Has there ever been a company as resistant to turning a profit or growing their market share as WOTC? They're incredibly risk averse to their own detriment, especially the digital side of the game. These sets would sell more and cards would retain value if they pushed harder for more players because demand for cards is going to increase the more people are playing the game.
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Chill la Chill posted:2h Wow, completely getting the cause and effect backwards. MTGs brand equity comes from poo poo like Black Lotus, which will likely continue to be worth thousands of dollars after the game dies. Everything else has value because people play the game. Try to tell someone who's never played MTG about why Liliana of the Veil is worth $100 and other planeswalkers or mythics are not.
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BJPaskoff posted:Games Workshop? Before or after Kevin Rountree being in charge?
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:https://twitter.com/HeleneBergeot/status/836993070151303168 For real, what does she mean?
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Rinkles posted:For real, what does she mean?
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Wurzag posted:I really wish they were reprinting through the breach like that madman's spreadsheet claims That's the card I really need reprinted. I have a playset and I'm fully altering my Breach Titan deck, but I can't justify erasing and painting on a set of four cards worth $160. Bring it down to $20 each and I'd feel safer. Also Magma Jet is the card that Pauper Burn needed. Now there's really no excuse to play loving Keldon Marauders or the other lovely creatures and turn the opponent's removal on.
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odiv posted:I have no idea. How is it not a good idea to have a known, guaranteed purchase of a ton of boxes? It was dumb to bring it up because she can't say "limited print run to keep secondary market values high" because of their issues with gambling laws.
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ThePeavstenator posted:I guess they could also reprint Lingering Souls but that card isn't even a dollar right now. Heh, typical goons in the MTG thread who can't predict poo poo  I like this art more than the regular version, maybe I should swap mine out.
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Sickening posted:It was dumb to bring it up because she can't say "limited print run to keep secondary market values high" because of their issues with gambling laws. How are you correlating the print run with gambling laws?
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Rinkles posted:For real, what does she mean? I don't know, and it makes doubly less sense for them to tow this line after they decided to do extra printing of EMA which was unprecedented for masters sets up to that point. e: C-Euro posted:Heh, typical goons in the MTG thread who can't predict poo poo I don't know, I kind of like the light beams in the old art and I know you're joking, but that was in reference to stuff that needed to reprinted.
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Rinkles posted:How are you correlating the print run with gambling laws? They dont' talk about the secondary market for several reasons and it all has to do with gambling laws. They don't want packs lumped in with lotto tickets although in real $$ terms they can be very close to them. From tournaments to modo, everything is too close to the line and its not something they want to even flirt with. Its been that way since day one of the product.
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Rinkles posted:How are you correlating the print run with gambling laws? packs are randomized. The line of reasoning goes if WOTC acknowledges the value of cards on a secondary market, then a pack is X chance to get something worth $Y. If they refuse to acknowledge secondary markets, then they can say that packs are MSRP $4.19 or whatever and thus each card whether its a masterpiece Sol Ring or a Basic land is 1/15 or the price of the pack.
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