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Tias posted:When Zhukov was summoned to lead the mongolian forces against the Kwantung army, he initially expected to be purged, and packed his things for the gulag, leaving his wife a letter saying to handle his disappearince with dignity. I still laugh at the idea that Italian generals came to meetings with hand grenades in their briefcases just in case that was the day Il Duce decided to feed them to the sharks.
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Kassad posted:This. The Napoleonic wars were still too small scale (relatively small armies and short campaigns... and mostly waged outside France, so few civilian deaths in the country) compared to the war of 1870 and the world wars. This chart shows it pretty well: What happened in 1911?
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Who gets bullet? Bear carries many bullet.
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Maybe something to do with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champagne_Riots ? Sacrebleu, you can't lay a French girl without a good bottle of champagne!
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Check out 1966 in Japan.
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See also: Japan currently.
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1966: The Year Without loving
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Boiled Water posted:What happened in 1911? The US military accepted the great .45 as its sidearm, and the force of each bullet passing through the atmosphere was powerful enough to blow off a Frenchman's genitals from across the sea.
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zoux posted:1966: The Year Without loving A quarter less births... pregnancy lasts 9 months so it's more like January-March 1966 Without loving, the other three quarters were conceived in 1965 and those conceived in April-December 1966 were born in 1967.
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zoux posted:1966: The Year Without loving Jesus, none of you 17th century history nerds complain about how gruesome your time period was ever again.
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Nenonen posted:A quarter less births... pregnancy lasts 9 months so it's more like January-March 1966 Without loving, the other three quarters were conceived in 1965 and those conceived in April-December 1966 were born in 1967. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1052742 Even better and crazier than you could imagine.
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Sitting in traffic every morning and evening I could go for some of that ZPG.FAUXTON posted:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1052742 Dear Lord.
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FAUXTON posted:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1052742
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FAUXTON posted:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1052742 That's amazingly regionally crazy and
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Elyv posted:You should read about Middle Ages wars. That the First Crusade succeeded in its goals is honestly kind of amazing to me. I'm working my way through Jonathon Sumption's history of the Hundred Years War right now and holy poo poo. Those guys spent 80% of their time & effort on desperately trying to raise money for the next big push, 19% on pointless seiges of various fortified towns and like 1% on doing anything practical and useful. I'm amazed that the rest of their societies didn't just tell them to gently caress off & then form the EU 700 years early.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Who gets bullet? The blocking detachment.
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HEY GAIL posted:nah that happened, it's the 1625 Cadiz expedition, google it It's what I get for reading before bed HEY GAIL posted:it's called Contributions and it's real I understand the Emperor was like totes bankrupt, but didn't anybody say "hm, maybe we shouldn't do this, we're just turning the basic economic infrastructure into mulch at this point?" The whole thing about soldiers being stationed as blackmail is also as gently caress, I think the Trumpenreich is gonna bring it back in the 2019 Mexican border action Since I have not done this in awhile, have some more Italian navy in WW2:
It's spring 1941, and the British are reinforcing the Greeks, who've been invaded by the Germans, because Italy invaded Greece and was not doing so well even though it had invaded Greece in the first place to beat the Germans to it.
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Nebakenezzer posted:With piss-poor visibility, British radar allows the RN to detect this detachment. Cunningham brings his battleships close, about 4000 yards, then opens fire simultaneously. The first salvo wrecks all three Italian cruisers. Two of the four guarding destroyers are also sunk. It's the single biggest day loss of life for the Italian navy in the entire war. Maybe it's all the world of warships I play, but I felt something pucker at that point. That seems really, really close.
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wdarkk posted:Maybe it's all the world of warships I play, but I felt something pucker at that point. That seems really, really close. World of Warships ranges are effectively shorter than an equivalent number of KM. So it's a bit closer than that even.
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quote:The Germans reported that He 111s had sunk two RN battleships. This was important as that brought the RN down to parity in Capital ships with Italy, which currently had only the one [Vittorio Veneto. Shenanigans were planned in the Easter Med. Ah, good old Luftwaffe overclaiming.
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Fangz posted:Ah, good old Luftwaffe overclaiming. That was my thought too - though they seemed for once to figure out their error fairly quickly.
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I would be a bit concerned if they couldn't figure out that they had not, in fact, destroyed two thirds of the RN battleship presence in the Mediterranean.
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Iachino deserved everything that he got that time. You need one obsolete destroyer to sink or tow a heavy cruiser. Anything additional to that will get in the way of the operation. Maybe you have a covering force of a couple destroyers, but if things go to poo poo you just leave the cruiser since you might have had to sink it anyway. Stupid, stupid stuff. Anyway, the Italians had a very nice centrimetric radar system in the late 1930s but of course High Command thought that it was foolish to become overreliant on technology...
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Nebakenezzer posted:It's what I get for reading before bed
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It's interesting reading this corrected account of hey, the Italians actually had their poo poo together a lot better than they're given credit for and are often hosed over by the Germans.
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To be honest it has me a little suspicious of the account; this is coming from one book isn't it? I haven't been paying super close attention so maybe I'm wrong, but I kind of get the impression the author's been trying to blame the Germans for practically every traditionally-supposed cock up of the Italians. It's definitely opened my mind a bit and I'm sure there's some truth to it, but I think saying the Italians had their poo poo together might be a bit overly revisionist.
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Koramei posted:To be honest it has me a little suspicious of the account; this is coming from one book isn't it? I haven't been paying super close attention so maybe I'm wrong, but I kind of get the impression the author's been trying to blame the Germans for practically every traditionally-supposed cock up of the Italians. It's definitely opened my mind a bit and I'm sure there's some truth to it, but I think saying the Italians had their poo poo together might be a bit overly revisionist. The Italian navy was pretty well regarded at the outbreak of WW2 and did indeed have its poo poo together pretty well. The bulk of Italy's military problems were with their army and to a lesser extent their air force.
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here is a more sympathetic review of that book on Nazi drug use that came out a while back. It's p. interesting in its own right http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2017/03/09/blitzed-very-drugged-nazis/
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Koramei posted:To be honest it has me a little suspicious of the account; this is coming from one book isn't it? I haven't been paying super close attention so maybe I'm wrong, but I kind of get the impression the author's been trying to blame the Germans for practically every traditionally-supposed cock up of the Italians. It's definitely opened my mind a bit and I'm sure there's some truth to it, but I think saying the Italians had their poo poo together might be a bit overly revisionist. I'm actually conscious of this as well; since I don't know anything on the subject I've decided just to roll with it and let other people pick the bones out of it. In the last story though, the Germans were not really to blame for the lack of air cover; weather was terrible that day, and they did try to provide it.
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Cythereal posted:The Italian navy was pretty well regarded at the outbreak of WW2 and did indeed have its poo poo together pretty well. The bulk of Italy's military problems were with their army and to a lesser extent their air force. The navy had a decent number of ships, a good submarine force, very good special forces, and absolutely no night/bad weather capability.
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HEY GAIL posted:here is a more sympathetic review of that book on Nazi drug use that came out a while back. It's p. interesting in its own right This line struck me quote:Adolf Hitler was portrayed as a vegetarian teetotaler who would allow nothing to corrupt him. Putin not drinking alcohol has come up in propaganda as well. Is there a rule for when using this motif is particularly useful? It strikes me as maybe a tool to elevate the leader beyond earthly concerns, sacralize him? Like you can't say his touch cures boils anymore, but you better believe that he won't get crunk and hit on the neighbor's wife the way uncle Otto does. Or is it a suggestion of not having earthly vices? Like he doesn't drink and it's implied that he also won't embezzle or something?
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Cythereal posted:The Italian navy was pretty well regarded at the outbreak of WW2 and did indeed have its poo poo together pretty well. Shame about having virtually no fuel, though!
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Nebakenezzer posted:The whole thing about soldiers being stationed as blackmail is also as gently caress, I think the Trumpenreich is gonna bring it back in the 2019 Mexican border action The Third Amendment exists specifically to prevent the government doing this, actually, because: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartering_Acts
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aphid_licker posted:This line struck me I think your'e looking a little too far into it. A lot of the communities that are susceptible to the charms of strong man demagogues are also the kind of economically marginalized, culturally disaffected groups that are going to have increased incidence of drug and alcohol abuse. There is a line to be drawn, for example, between economic hopelessness in the white working class, support for trump, and the opioid epidemic. There's no causal relationship there, but they are all part of a broader constellation of related issues. Meanwhile, people who see first hand the ugly side of recreational chemicals are probably going to have a lot of positive associations with the people who steer clear of them, everything from moral connotations to simply thinking they have their poo poo together enough that they don't need to booze it up.
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feedmegin posted:The Third Amendment exists specifically to prevent the government doing this, Here's one that's not generally known: the US clearly violated the Third Amendment during WWII: http://volokh.com/2011/10/18/a-historical-violation-of-the-third-amendment/
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aphid_licker posted:This line struck me I am unsure if you can lump Hitler in the same category, but a huge part of Putin's political persona is being this heroic hypermasculine Man's Man (my personal favorite example of this is Putin scoring bunches of goals in hockey games that feature recently retired NHL hall of famers). The idea is basically to tap into the same kind of mentality that everyone tried to activate during the world wars: masculine men are tough and good, so prove your masculinity and join the army! Putin's persona is a little more...nuanced though. It lets him appeal to the large population of disenfranchised/poor/etc young Russian males that today make up the bulk of his non-oligarch support. Basically, he's taking a big group of people who grew up in the anarchy of post-Soviet Russia, and giving them a tough strong mean father figure to latch onto. It also lets him demonstrate Russian Bear Strength and Power against western Imperialists like Obama, because Obama is a pussy academic. You see this kind of thing happen a lot of times there's a big unhappy group of young men. National shame, or whatever you want to call it, is a really powerful thing. edit - here's a good article that explains it better than I did: This whole masculinity thing is so tied up in Russian politics today that I've actually had to write about it for DoD publications. Like, analyzing the impact of shirtless Putin on the political balance of power in the Baltics. Am serious. It is also pretty funny how many Alpha/King/grossly insecure young men in the US idolize Putin. The internet is full of such discussions and I love reading it. bewbies fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Mar 2, 2017 |
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feedmegin posted:The Third Amendment exists specifically to prevent the government doing this, actually, because: But does this apply in Mexico? After all, the Mexicans are gonna pay for that war
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bewbies posted:impact of shirtless Putin on the political balance of power in the Baltics. Go on. Incidentally "Defenders" was just banned in Lithuania for "excessive depictions of Russian military might", so I think they also figured it out.
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Nebakenezzer posted:But does this apply in Mexico? After all, the Mexicans are gonna pay for that war Freudian slip?
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Cyrano, bewbies, thanks, great thoughts! e: for content, a shirtless Mussolini aphid_licker fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Mar 2, 2017 |
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