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a friend of mine has a name with origins in a region with very old farming communities, and it goes: <given name> <farming community> <family name> but if you want to refer to her by last name (e.g. with title or so) it goes <family name> <farming community>
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redleader posted:let's be real here: no one in yospos is breaking into any markets where a simple first/last name pair won't suffice lol no
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Mar 2, 2017 15:38
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redleader posted:let's be real here: no one in yospos is breaking into any markets where a simple first/last name pair won't suffice u a good reader. same page as your post: cis autodrag posted:we have a seperate field for dutch people to specify their van/von/whatever because like 90% of dutch people have that and they don't like it to affect alphebatization. Also people without a first/last name pair are coming to your market already.
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Mar 2, 2017 15:53
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In Brazil we usually use a single name field and that's enough for our needs. Heck, Ive been paid to modify Magento stores to only require one single name field, instead of first and last To be frank I barely understand why would need separate fields (I mean, why is that so important?), but probably that's because in Brazil we mostly use the first name
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Mar 2, 2017 16:47
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sorting by last name for when you export a bigass excel file for some idiot to use
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Mar 2, 2017 16:51
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Bloody posted:sorting by last name for when you export a bigass excel file for some idiot to use in that case when you make the excel file you split everything from the first whitespace off as the last name and that idiot sees all the wrong poo poo it generates as opposed to the implicitly respectable people typing their name into your product
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Mar 2, 2017 16:55
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hmm let me sort my sales reports by last name like a complete idiot wtf would even be the point of that
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Mar 2, 2017 16:59
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Sorting by last name is a endianness bug in western culture. I never got the point of that.
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Mar 2, 2017 17:30
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Bloody posted:sorting by last name for when you export a bigass excel file for some idiot to use also for a lot of regulatory stuff you have to capture distinct name pieces. for my industry it's a lot of reporting poo poo via various edi files to various government entities. they all want certain bits and pieces of names in certain ways so we need to have really fine-grained handling to accommodate it.
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Mar 2, 2017 17:34
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Athas posted:Sorting by last name is a endianness bug in western culture. I never got the point of that. *scrolls past 4000 guys called John* also I'm guessing this originated in telephone directories or census lists or something like that where you're more interested in locating the Smallwood residence than in speaking with Chester in particular
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Mar 2, 2017 17:40
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*scrolls past 1 billion guys named muhammad*
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Mar 2, 2017 17:40
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Sapozhnik posted:*scrolls past 4000 guys called John* up till around 1970 or so, our phone directories were sorted by (last name, job title, first name) its the worst when youre looking for someone but youre not sure what title they should be under
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Mar 2, 2017 17:54
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I bet most of the time it's so the spam emails and the text by the logout button can say "hello $PRESUMABLY_FAMILIAR_NAME" which is a stupid reason
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Mar 2, 2017 18:01
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i think really the key takeaway is that humans are hard and you shouldnt keep information on them unless you really need it, and if you do really need it, prepare for it to be really complicated like, do most applications really need your name? no. do most applications really need to know what gender/sex you are? no. if you don't ask, you don't have to worry about the 7 billion edge cases you're going to have think really hard about whether you need to ask the user for personal information before you do
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Mar 2, 2017 18:21
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last time i built a web thing with users i went oauth-only and stored at most a display name for the user that they could change willy nilly? idk, i dont want any user data at all. no pii, no passwords, none of that poo poo
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Bloody posted:last time i built a web thing with users i went oauth-only and stored at most a display name for the user that they could change willy nilly? idk, i dont want any user data at all. no pii, no passwords, none of that poo poo this is the correct approach. no one wants to register dumb-web-account #18523, and your bad code can't leak info you don't have.
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Mar 2, 2017 18:38
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Sapozhnik posted:*scrolls past 4000 guys called John* *scrolls past 4000 guys called Smith* Whew, good thing it was sorted by last name.
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Arcsech posted:i think really the key takeaway is that humans are hard and you shouldnt keep information on them unless you really need it, and if you do really need it, prepare for it to be really complicated how am i gonna sell data i dont have huh smart guy
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jony neuemonic posted:this is the correct approach. no one wants to register dumb-web-account #18523, and your bad code can't leak info you don't have. I always register more dumb-web-accounts instead of linking to google/facebook/microsoft if possible.
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fleshweasel posted:I always register more dumb-web-accounts instead of linking to google/facebook/microsoft if possible. same
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A full name field doesn't work because users don't know what to do or enter just their first name, do "last, first" and poo poo. That's why they're separate fields.
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pokeyman posted:I bet most of the time it's so the spam emails and the text by the logout button can say "hello $PRESUMABLY_FAMILIAR_NAME" get those impressions, make those conversions, grab that cash
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Mar 2, 2017 19:44
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sarehu posted:A full name field doesn't work because users don't know what to do or enter just their first name, do "last, first" and poo poo. That's why they're separate fields. a bloo bloo now i cant sell the data lmao you idiot
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sarehu posted:A full name field doesn't work because users don't know what to do or enter just their first name, do "last, first" and poo poo. That's why they're separate fields. Who cares, just refer to them by whatever they put in that box. If they are unhappy with it they can change it, since presumably your service should support the huge fraction of the population which changes their name at some point in their lives anyways. For bonus points, put some clarification next to the field like "Name (this is how we'll refer to you in our communications with you):".
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Mar 2, 2017 19:52
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Arcsech posted:do most applications really need to know what gender/sex you are? no. Apparently Facebook still does. It's okay! You can decide later if you want to hide the information from your profile! But Facebook still needs to know. Powaqoatse posted:a bloo bloo now i cant sell the data This is actually a pretty strong argument for not actively structuring name information, and for not gathering it at all if possible.
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VikingofRock posted:Who cares, just refer to them by whatever they put in that box. If they are unhappy with it they can change it, since presumably your service should support the huge fraction of the population which changes their name at some point in their lives anyways. ya letting the user change their name should be trivial because you aren't using it internally for anything critical anyways
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Mar 2, 2017 19:58
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sarehu posted:A full name field doesn't work because users don't know what to do or enter just their first name, do "last, first" and poo poo. That's why they're separate fields. Well, that's not true for everywhere in the world. Here people are accustomed to writing their full name on a single field, both in paper and online forms
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Also lmao if you think just knowing someone's name is enough to address them correctly
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Malcolm XML posted:Also lmao if you think just knowing someone's name is enough to address them correctly it is if you don't gender your communications, full name + preferred name if you must have a name, otherwise username and job done.
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Maluco Marinero posted:it is if you don't gender your communications, full name + preferred name if you must have a name, otherwise username and job done. that's DOCTOR full name u plebe
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JawnV6 posted:that's DOCTOR full name u plebe People can put whatever they want in the name field. Doctor, lord, pope, whatever. Whenever I fill out forms with mandatory titles (usually on English websites) I always pick the most extravagant one available. A lot of packages have been delivered to Reverend Athas.
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Mar 2, 2017 21:13
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Athas posted:People can put whatever they want in the name field. Doctor, lord, pope, whatever. lol my bank has a text field for title. im gonna try putting in shitlord
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Athas posted:People can put whatever they want in the name field. Doctor, lord, pope, whatever. There was a supermarket chain around here where you could get a discount card by filling a form on their website, and it had one of these. I remember putting something very extravagant like "Eminency" or something But then cashiers at the supermarket were trained to actually use that stupid title when you presented your card at the store, and it was so embarassing to be called Eminency Elias out loud at the cashier that Ive stopped using the drat discount thing
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Elias_Maluco posted:In Brazil we usually use a single name field and that's enough for our needs. Heck, Ive been paid to modify Magento stores to only require one single name field, instead of first and last address forms are the same. i don't have a "state/province", stop making that a separate required field.
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Athas posted:*scrolls past 400 million people called Wang*
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actually wang would be the first name
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so insomniac games just published a postmortem of their choice to use a plang for their game editor tools. they decided (in 2010) to build their next-gen editor in javascript, with a chrome plugin to render the actual 3d. it's a really interesting read -- they're not going forward with that technology. 340,000 Javascript LOC, ~1,000 files their opinion of js: insomniac posted:● So much pain a toy language that is still growing up their experience with v8: insomnmiac posted:Browser crashed in production, randomly they tried using jstree to render some tree views: insomniac posted:I would think that performance with a mere 1,000 nodes should be nodejs: insomniac posted:After light use we lug around 90 MB of deps ...i could go on, but you should probably read it for yourselves their major conclusion though: insomniac posted:Lesson: JS needs more rigor than C++, not less they've now gone back to C++, using Qt Sagacity fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Mar 3, 2017 |
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lol
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i'm the one weird trick for building muscle fast ad popping up over the ui because lol web
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BobHoward posted:i'm the one weird trick for building muscle fast ad popping up over the ui because lol web brogrammers reading the postmortem & seeing the ad high five each other and laugh manly bc they dont need that muscle milk
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