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SHISHKABOB posted:"Niceties" are often given a negative connotation! Cool. I think nice today is still used really euphemistically. I know I tend to use it when I want to avoid dissing on something but I can't outright lie and say something was good. So I just say "It was nice." A sort of fine or alright in my mind.
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Nessus posted:Why even have the Rings if you're not going to use them? to know the age of maiar and elves when they die
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SHISHKABOB posted:"Niceties" are often given a negative connotation! Cool. I didn't know niceties ever had positive connotations. Interesting.
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Meduseld must always be a safe and special place. The followers of Gandalf Lathspell were very rude last night to a very good man, Gríma. Apologize!
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The return of the king is imminent. https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...usaolp00000058&
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Ynglaur posted:The return of the king is imminent. More rightful claim than Aragorn had.
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Execute for treason imo.
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Ynglaur posted:The return of the king is imminent. a ragged house long bereft of lordship imo
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Hogge Wild posted:More rightful claim than Aragorn had. Perhaps, but has he slain a pirate captain in single, hand-to-hand combat lately?
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The weirdest thing about that (I mean besides the obvious) is that he's claiming descent from the Kings of Wales, not England. So even if he could prove it, all he would be demonstrating is a claim to the theoretical crone of Wales, which hasn't existed since it was annexed by England. I mean he could return to Wales and claim his birthright and try to raise an army to seize independence or something, but nothing about his claim entitles him to the throne of England.  Why would you go to all that trouble and not at least claim the right lineage?
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Ashcans posted:The weirdest thing about that (I mean besides the obvious) is that he's claiming descent from the Kings of Wales, not England. So even if he could prove it, all he would be demonstrating is a claim to the theoretical crone of Wales, which hasn't existed since it was annexed by England. I mean he could return to Wales and claim his birthright and try to raise an army to seize independence or something, but nothing about his claim entitles him to the throne of England. Elendil wasn't King of Gondor, either.
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Ashcans posted:The weirdest thing about that (I mean besides the obvious) is that he's claiming descent from the Kings of Wales, not England. So even if he could prove it, all he would be demonstrating is a claim to the theoretical crone of Wales, which hasn't existed since it was annexed by England. I mean he could return to Wales and claim his birthright and try to raise an army to seize independence or something, but nothing about his claim entitles him to the throne of England. Isn't one of the titles of the crown prince Prince of Wales?
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skasion posted:Elendil wasn't King of Gondor, either. Oracle posted:Isn't one of the titles of the crown prince Prince of Wales? This also means that demonstrating your rightful succession to the theoretical inherited title of Prince of Wales (doesn't actually exist and was extinguished in the 13th century when the last prince was killed in battle and Wales annexed) doesn't actually mean that you get to be the heir of the United Kingdom; it would just mean that you are technically the 'real' Prince of Wales. You could try to depose Prince Charles, but replacing him doesn't make you heir apparent to the throne.
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Oracle posted:Isn't one of the titles of the crown prince Prince of Wales? yes, because edward I conquered the last independent prince of wales, llywelyn ap gruffudd, and passed the title to his son. there's never been a unified 'king of wales' though and no one on earth cares if you can trace your lineage back to the king of powys or whatever. also, royal lineage is super common. poo poo, i can claim descent through the Plantagenet kings to the kings of wessex and the princes of gwynedd and no one cares.
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Modern royalty is like just some big family inherited fortune, right? Do they even have jobs? What pays for all their poo poo.
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Ashcans posted:Elendil was High King of Gondar and Arnor? I feel like I'm misunderstanding something. Yeah, I was thinking Isildur, but now that I look at it he and Anarion were joint kings in Gondor while Elendil was alive, so that doesn't work either.
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SHISHKABOB posted:Modern royalty is like just some big family inherited fortune, right? Do they even have jobs? What pays for all their poo poo. a lot of it is private income. the crown also owns a huge amount of land which is managed through a trust and which generates another huge chunk of income. money also comes from the Treasury each year to pay for things like upkeep of buckingham and travel expenses for all of their diplomatic and state business. they do have jobs. the queen consults regularly with the PM and heads the church of england, although that bit doesn't actually entail much. she also signs off on all laws passed by parliament. basically having a monarch and a royal family means having people to do all the diplomatic gland-handing while leaving the prime minister free to do his actual job.
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I believe if you count royal accoutrements like the Tower of London, Crown Jewels, etc., You can argue that the royal family generates a massive amount of tourism revenue. Royal babies sell a lot of commemorative plates.
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chernobyl kinsman posted:also, royal lineage is super common. poo poo, i can claim descent through the Plantagenet kings to the kings of wessex and the princes of gwynedd and no one cares. SHISHKABOB posted:Modern royalty is like just some big family inherited fortune, right? Do they even have jobs? What pays for all their poo poo. This is a reasonable answer to 'who pays for their poo poo' for the Queen, and the answer is mostly 'she is really wealthy and gets a cut from the crown estates from the treasury'. I think this pretty typical to the remaining European monarchs, but you still get monarchs that take a more direct approach in profiting from their countries. Edit: Kind of beaten but oh well.
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The duchy of Lancaster is basically a private reit that she gets revenue from . It works out pretty well.
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Abolish the monarchy, either in the pretender to Elendil's throne or in the stewardship!
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I believe if you count royal accoutrements like the Tower of London, Crown Jewels, etc., You can argue that the royal family generates a massive amount of tourism revenue. Royal babies sell a lot of commemorative plates. it's good poo poo. long may she reign
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monarchies have no problems that a guillotine couldn't solve
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A while ago in this thread someone alluded to a post or article the argument of which was that the Silmarillion is a syncretic work blending the Numenorean demiurge Melkor into the polytheistic legends of the Gnomes and their war with the Orc-king Morgoth. Anyone have a link to that?
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A direct descendant from an unbroken line dating back almost 2000 years sounds bloody unlikely, however, I'll eat my hat to see these supposed records.
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Octy posted:A direct descendant from an unbroken line dating back almost 2000 years sounds bloody unlikely, however, I'll eat my hat to see these supposed records. Elves.
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Octy posted:A direct descendant from an unbroken line dating back almost 2000 years sounds bloody unlikely, however, I'll eat my hat to see these supposed records. If you're talking about the "Prince" of Wales, the article mentions that his records were conveniently destroyed in a fire back in 1901.
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Well, then again, there is this guy who may have a better claim to the Welsh throne https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Watkin_Williams-Wynn,_11th_Baronet
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The 13-hour BBC radio adaptation of LoTR is on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRTkZ7QVEas Catch while you can. If you haven't heard it before it is well worth hearing.
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Octy posted:A direct descendant from an unbroken line dating back almost 2000 years sounds bloody unlikely, however, I'll eat my hat to see these supposed records.
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Nessus posted:The numenorians did have longer lives than regular Men. Also Elves looking out for them. Elrond was born before Numenor was even made, wasn't he? Yes.
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Aragorns direct line is in the appendix
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Sorry, where in the books does it discuss Numenorean anatomy? I think you've got confused there
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euphronius posted:Aragorns direct line is in the appendix Trin Tragula posted:Sorry, where in the books does it discuss Numenorean anatomy? I think you've got confused there I love this thread. 
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skasion posted:A while ago in this thread someone alluded to a post or article the argument of which was that the Silmarillion is a syncretic work blending the Numenorean demiurge Melkor into the polytheistic legends of the Gnomes and their war with the Orc-king Morgoth. Anyone have a link to that? I dunno what specifically that poster was referencing, but that idea originates with Tolkein himself: Morgoth's Ring, Myths Transformed posted:It is now clear to me that in any case the Mythology must actually be a 'Mannish' affair. (Men are really only interested in Men and in Men's ideas and visions.) The High Eldar living and being tutored by the demiurgic beings must have known, or at least their writers and loremasters must have known, the 'truth' (according to their measure of understanding). What we have in the Silmarillion etc. are traditions (especially personalized, and centered upon actors, such as Fëanor) handed on by Men in Númenor and later in Middle-earth (Arnor and Gondor); but already far back - from the first association of Dúnedain and Elf-friends with the Eldar in Beleriand - blended and confused with their own Mannish myths and cosmic ideas. Not very specific but that really does open up what the Silmarillion is supposed to be to interpretation. I'm down with the idea that it's a garbled 'history' where men injected monotheism on top of old pagan myths. Would love to read that article if it exists!
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Trin Tragula posted:Sorry, where in the books does it discuss Numenorean anatomy? I think you've got confused there They were so strong and so pure that even their appendix grew to drat near a foot long. Also thread: How do we convince Ingmar Bergman to come back to life and direct a film adaptation of The Children of Hurin?
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extra stout posted:Also thread: How do we convince Ingmar Bergman to come back to life and direct a film adaptation of The Children of Hurin? I think we'd need a virgin sacrifice. Good thing we've got goons to spare.
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jivjov posted:I think we'd need a virgin sacrifice. Good thing we've got goons to spare.
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jivjov posted:I think we'd need a virgin sacrifice. Good thing we've got goons to spare. We shall burn like the heathen goons of old
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