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Beautiful Ninja posted:That's literally the Kaby Lake i5. It depends since Quicksync and honestly most GPU accelerated encoding tends to have lower quality compared to fully CPU driven x264 at the same bitrate.
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Kazinsal posted:My dude have you heard of the 7700K I forgot to add for 149$ sry.
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sauer kraut posted:I forgot to add for 149$ sry. you'll have to play with memory timings and frequency though, but that's always been a thing for BCLK
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EdEddnEddy posted:Also It looks like they are pushing it a little farther 1800X @ 5.8Ghz Look at that core voltage, 0.787V 
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:get a z170 board, an i5-6400 for $160 and run that BCLK up the wall, since those don't overclock any worse than i5-6600ks when it comes down to it Didn't they patch out BCLK overclocking? You'd need an old board.
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PerrineClostermann posted:Didn't they patch out BCLK overclocking? You'd need an old board.
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Mar 3, 2017 01:26
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Don Lapre posted:Who else finds Dr. Lisa Su incredibly attractive? Hank Hill account spotted
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:oh huh, the reddit AMA said that Ryzen does support ECC? Supported not validated, dependent on mobo makers
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:oh huh, the reddit AMA said that Ryzen does support ECC? If motherboard makers run the extra traces, the memory controller on the ryzen processor will make use of ECC if present, but it's not a supported configuration. AMD won't guarantee that operation will be fault free, and you can't claim the product is defective if operation is not as desired (no support or RMA). This is the same thing with pretty much every recent AMD CPU, mostly because AMD doesn't want cheaper desktop CPU's being sold as server class.
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Ah gotcha. At least there's room for Zen to improve this time, unlike with Bulldozer's fundamental problems
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EdEddnEddy posted:It's probably similar to the issue Bulldozer had with it at launch with its "modules" I wonder if this is the delidded 1800X, too. Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:oh huh, the reddit AMA said that Ryzen does support ECC? Supported, not validated, up to the board partner.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Yes, actual competition would be good, but what I got from your post is that you hope people will buy an inferior product just so that Intel has competition. Hoping that consumers fall for hype and screw themselves over seems to go right against why competition is a good thing in the first place. Just because Ryzen isn't the best for a machine dedicated to 1080p gaming, doesn't mean it doesn't represent actual competition in some market segments that Intel has dominated for years. Intel has 90% or more of the server and desktop markets. Their monopoly allows them to dictate pricing in all segments and really the only reason AMD is still around selling x86 is because Intel allows them to be (Hey look regulators, we have a competitor, see!). I think the new Ryzen chips will be a good buy for certain people in a few months and hey, maybe Naples will be competitive in enterprise as well. I can recognize that Ryzen was insanely over-hyped for gaming, but at the same time still root for it to be a success overall. fishmech posted:And that's going to lead to not still selling very expensive high end processors because: _____ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_price
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Ryzen's going to be on my radar when they respin it, there are mature bioses and board variety (itx). It's pretty much what we were saying months and months ago before talk of 99.999% memory controller efficiency, 7700k beating IPC, and 5ghz on air talk BS started popping up. The bioses seem buggy as hell but I doubt fixing them will change much of anything except for higher memory clocks and stability. GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Mar 3, 2017 |
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Well, I decided to pass and hold on to my Core i7 4790k for another year or so, opting instead for dual GTX 1080 TIs. It does seem like Ryzen is going to be a hit for AMD, though. Very happy to see them back in the game. The next revision should be very compelling. Not that this one isn't.
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Pawn 17 posted:Just because Ryzen isn't the best for a machine dedicated to 1080p gaming, doesn't mean it doesn't represent actual competition in some market segments that Intel has dominated for years. Intel has 90% or more of the server and desktop markets. Their monopoly allows them to dictate pricing in all segments and really the only reason AMD is still around selling x86 is because Intel allows them to be (Hey look regulators, we have a competitor, see!). I think the new Ryzen chips will be a good buy for certain people in a few months and hey, maybe Naples will be competitive in enterprise as well. With the prevalence of per-core software licensing and lack of IPC, I can't really see AMD getting much progress on enterprise with Ryzen. Also, thanks to the overall lousy OC headroom the 1700 non-X makes the X SKUs look a complete ripoff for anybody who isn't r/AMD.
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Beautiful Ninja posted:That's literally the Kaby Lake i5. Quicksync, just like NVEnc, sucks at lower bitrate compared to x264.
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PerrineClostermann posted:https://youtu.be/sciuiEcrnzg Kinda liking this guy's presentation Egh. Every time I stumble upon this dudes stuff it's progressively creepier. e: actually this is unfair. he's a little less monotonous and animatronic in these current ones. good on him. buglord fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Mar 3, 2017 |
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I like how he completely stumbled on trying to make the streaming argument and ended up saying that Kaby Lake is 50% faster than Kaby Lake.
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buglord posted:Egh. Every time I stumble upon this dudes stuff it's progressively creepier.  it's the robotic, teethy delivery. I feel uncanny valley.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:I realize how narrowly focused this use case is, but from what I can tell? This is going to go great into the two-headed machine for siblings to use simultaneously without killing eachother over "my turn" like some kind of savages. I wouldn't - at least, not yet. Hardware virtualization is required to make that setup work properly, and that is incredibly finicky to begin with. Throw in a brand new platfrom and chip and you have a recipe for an expensive piece of poo poo that would be beaten by getting them each a netbook. Nobody has reviewed the virtualization extensions yet. There's no numbers on DPC latency. Aside from poo poo framerates, DPC latency can lead to audio stalls and crackle on an unloaded machine.
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I haven't really been keeping up with CPUs for like 5 years but my 2600k has been showing its age (started freezing a couple times a week and I figure it is the CPU, memory, or MoBo going bad. Either way its time to update). The new CPU seems alright for me according to anandtech. Not sure why so many people are mad about it. Personally I love me some cores and will probably get one in a month or so once all the issues are hopefully worked out.
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lamentable dustman posted:I haven't really been keeping up with CPUs for like 5 years but my 2600k has been showing its age (started freezing a couple times a week and I figure it is the CPU, memory, or MoBo going bad. Either way its time to update). Might just need to reapply thermal paste if you never have.
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Harik posted:I wouldn't - at least, not yet. Aware of it, am awaiting L1Tech's videos on the topic. (L1Techs being Wendell's channel post-Tek Syndicate breakup.)
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Competition doesn't lower prices for luxury bullshit, jesus dude. This shouldn't be hard to understand, Intel has consistently sold high end but not officially "enterprise" CPUs for people with ridiculous prices since the mid 90s at least. No amount of competition gets rid of that. They've never been worth their price premium, it's usually poo poo like spending $300-$500 extra just to get 1% better performance, but a certain kind of idiot will buy them regardless.
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Intel still had the "Extreme Edition" P4 for $1000 back when it was getting its rear end handed to it by the A64's of the day. (Also for $1000 for the "Black Editions") so while you will have some price competition below the top tier, you will still have the top tier that remains regardless if they are worth it or not. Only this time, I doubt AMD will charge $1000 for a CPU that doesn't actually beat the Intel $1000 CPU at everything and not just a few things. Though we will have to see. Zen+ I can see them releasing something of the sort if they can polish things up a bit and get another 500mhz or so.
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Obsurveyor posted:Might just need to reapply thermal paste if you never have. I replaced the cooler a year ago when I changed my 10 year old case that was falling apart but I'll take a look at it.
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EdEddnEddy posted:Also It looks like they are pushing it a little farther 1800X @ 5.8Ghz Is that der8auer guy known around here? I was watching his delidding video and he had the forums up on his computer.
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lamentable dustman posted:I haven't really been keeping up with CPUs for like 5 years but my 2600k has been showing its age (started freezing a couple times a week and I figure it is the CPU, memory, or MoBo going bad. Either way its time to update). The new CPU seems alright for me according to anandtech. Not sure why so many people are mad about it. Personally I love me some cores and will probably get one in a month or so once all the issues are hopefully worked out. Are you doing any productivity work? Video editing, compiling large kernels, scientific work? If no and you're playing videogames, then just get a 7700K. If you read R/AMD, the one outlier gaming performance video is literally the only Ryzen review that matters. Everything else was benched wrong, other than those by the One True Reviewer: Joker Productions. E: AMD CPU and Platform Megathread: 6850K on the streets, 7600K in the sheets? BurritoJustice fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Mar 3, 2017 |
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You spelled platfrom wrong there chief
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BurritoJustice posted:Are you doing any productivity work? Video editing, compiling large kernels, scientific work? If no and you're playing videogames, then just get a 7700K. never been to r/amd but sure i do other poo poo then play videogames
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lamentable dustman posted:never been to r/amd but sure i do other poo poo then play videogames I should've double spaced that, the r/amd line wasn't specifically at you. And sweet, full steam ahead for Ryzen for you.
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Time is a flat circle: http://www.realworldtech.com/kt266-vs-kt266a/
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EdEddnEddy posted:It's probably similar to the issue Bulldozer had with it at launch with its "modules" That was never backported? My mental timeline must be off because I could swear 7 was relevant enough when bulldozer came out that you'd kinda have to Paul MaudDib posted:i have a couple of titans if I want to read your email 
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fishmech posted:Competition doesn't lower prices for luxury bullshit, jesus dude. This shouldn't be hard to understand, Intel has consistently sold high end but not officially "enterprise" CPUs for people with ridiculous prices since the mid 90s at least. No amount of competition gets rid of that. They've never been worth their price premium, it's usually poo poo like spending $300-$500 extra just to get 1% better performance, but a certain kind of idiot will buy them regardless. At least read up on the basics of microeconomics before you postulate something like that. Competition does affect luxury good pricing (competition shifts the supply curve). And you can think of anything and there will always be some small portion of people who are willing to pay much more for it than others because it provides them with a lot of utility. This is part of the demand curve that Intel is capturing with $1k+ chips and doesn't change the fact that those same chips would be cheaper if there was a similar alternative. There are plenty of studies and articles out there talking about Intel's monopoly pricing. I believe this study was used in AMD's antitrust lawsuit against Intel where they had to pay $1.25B New Economic Study Finds Intel Extracted Monopoly Profits of $60 Billion Since 1996 (this is from 10 years ago btw). Derail aside, even though Ryzen doesn't live up to the hype for gaming, I'll still be considering it again in a few months. Especially if it performs well with VirtualBox. Bareback Werewolf posted:Is that der8auer guy known around here? I was watching his delidding video and he had the forums up on his computer. I watched that this morning and I thought that was the forums as well! Looking again, I think it's just something that looks similar. Sophy Wackles fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Mar 3, 2017 |
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Pawn 17 posted:Derail aside, even though Ryzen doesn't live up to the hype for gaming, I'll still be considering it again in a few months. Especially if it performs will with VirtualBox. That's my thinking too, if the TDP is reasonable one of the 1700s might be a good home server CPU for VMs and network storage.
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Pawn 17 posted:I watched that this morning and I thought that was the forums as well! Looking again, I think it's just something that looks similar. I think you're probably right. Somebody mentioned him on here and I came across that video on youtube and just assumed that he was a goon.
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Pawn 17 posted:At least read up on the basics of microeconomics before you postulate something like that. Competition does affect luxury good pricing (competition shifts the supply curve). We have already seen competition with Intel multiple times. It never made Intel drop their needlessly expensive super high price chips for being on sale for $1000 or more. Remember we are talking about the chips that are only marginally better than the normal top of the line, but take hundreds of dollars higher prices. They've consistently been on sale since the 90s. You're somehow not getting that just shouting your economics 101 level understanding doesn't change history, and is not going to tell you about the future in this specific product category.
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