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Honky Dong Country posted:I think any argument involving "b-b-but this man/woman is a liar!" is dumb because all politicians are liars to some degree. isn't it their job 
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There isn't such a thing as a politician that isn't a liar. You just chose the dishonesty that appeals to you the most. Trumps lies were far more appealing than Hillary's.
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new phone who dis posted:The 17-agency report primarily revolves around the IC wanting people to admit Russia helped Wikileaks embarrass Clinton. There's no evidence of any actual election fraud or links to Trump's people, just a hopping mad group of organizations who usually run these type of ops instead of watching them get run getting clowned. yeah, but 17 agencies  17!
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Nut to Butt posted:isn't it their job Harrower posted:There isn't such a thing as a politician that isn't a liar. You just chose the dishonesty that appeals to you the most. Trumps lies were far more appealing than Hillary's. Agreed. They're all loving liars. They all say things both in office and on campaign that they know is a lie designed to pander. You just gotta try to decide what they actually will do and decide according to that, IMO.
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sincx posted:There's a lot of smoke. The Dems need to push instead of falling back. Holy jesus christ. The guy you just quoted is the first reasonable person I have seen in a while in this poo poo pit. This is your response in the face of the calm reason? You are that fat REEEEEEEEEEEE lady at the innaguration, arent you?
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Frog Tripper posted:Holy jesus christ. The guy you just quoted is the first reasonable person I have seen in a while in this poo poo pit.
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gotta admire how anti hillary the frogmen still are even though she lost really badly and their man won
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thathonkey posted:gotta admire how anti hillary the frogmen still are even though she lost really badly and their man won Yeah It's pretty cool how she is so unlikeable that she is even hated by half of her own party in addition to the froggers.
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Honky Dong Country posted:Just don't get yer dick sucked in office lmao I just figured out how Trump will get impeached, he'll be caught getting head from Ivanka
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Animal-Mother posted:Educated doesn't mean not dumb. You'd have to be an idiot to think DONALD TRUMP should be the president. It's really that simple. A large number of Americans are just plain stupid. yes and they vote so whatcha gon do
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Toadvine posted:yes and they vote so whatcha gon do Full communism now imho
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thathonkey posted:gotta admire how anti hillary the frogmen still are even though she lost really badly and their man won
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new phone who dis posted:The Dems should realize that if they continue to push and end up with a big, wet fart, people are going to punish them for it. Hahaha lol if that were the case then BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI wait what EMAILS quote:This isn't a win/win scenario for them. If the investigation they managed to knock Sessions off of comes back and exonerates Trump, they're going to pay for it politically. People supporting this witch hunt should realize the price they may have to pay if it doesn't pay off. They're making a heavy bet on Trump being an evil genius when most evidence points to ineptitude. It doesn't matter what happens, everyone has the attention span of mayflies now and the American public literally cannot distinguish between smoke and fire, so let's throw more wet logs on this sucker and BREATHE DEEEEEEEP
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Hahaha lol if that were the case then BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI wait what EMAILS That works both for and against trying to keep the whole Russia thing going. You can only repackage it so many times. You're not wrong, though.
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new phone who dis posted:That works both for and against trying to keep the whole Russia thing going. You can only repackage it so many times. You're not wrong, though. Every day the Trump White House spends mired in scandal and dealing with bullshit is another day they're not literally torturing puppies so this is all good imho Seriously, today they were planning to announce the newest iteration of their Muslim Ban so even if this whole scandal evaporates tomorrow it bought brown people in America another day of freedom (spoiler: this scandal is not evaporating)
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Every day the Trump White House spends mired in scandal and dealing with bullshit is another day they're not literally torturing puppies so this is all good imho I'm trying to figure out the thought process behind someone in the administration making puppy mill data a target but I just can't get my head around it.
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new phone who dis posted:I'm trying to figure out the thought process behind someone in the administration making puppy mill data a target but I just can't get my head around it. Are you heavily invested in the puppy mill industry? The logic here is generally "more money for us, gently caress you"
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Are you heavily invested in the puppy mill industry? I wasn't sure the puppy mill people had such a strong lobby. It seems like a very strange place to target.
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This isn't an example of propping up the puppy mills. It's an example of the administration's bull-in-a-china-shop ineptitude.
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new phone who dis posted:I wasn't sure the puppy mill people had such a strong lobby. It seems like a very strange place to target. It's surprisingly easy to lobby for this kind of thing if you have money, but the why doesn't really matter much end of the day, they still did it.
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A little digging and it seems like maybe the USDA was already in the process of doing this before Trump. https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ne...-hpa-compliance
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But I mean let's just assume Trump wants to torture puppies for money until otherwise proven, right? Totally doesn't make you look like a loving lunatic.
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Macrowave Oven posted:This isn't an example of propping up the puppy mills. It's an example of the administration's bull-in-a-china-shop ineptitude. If you actually read the article that the editorial that was listed linked to, you would have read that: Fake News Outlet Huffington Post posted:In a statement, the USDA’s Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service cited court rulings and privacy laws for the decision, which it said was the result of a “comprehensive review” that took place over the past year. I hate puppy mills as much as the next guy, but I mean... laws and poo poo.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:
Nothing will happen. Sessions isn't going to resign. The GOP isn't going to force the issue. The Dems are going to pursue a fruitless investigation.
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new phone who dis posted:A little digging and it seems like maybe the USDA was already in the process of doing this before Trump. hahahahaha hey guys is trump hosed yet lmao
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Frijolero posted:Nothing will happen. It doesn't have to force resignations to be worthwhile. It's worthwhile just as a constant distraction. Every hour Trump has to spend on this makes it harder for him to do other things.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It doesn't have to force resignations to be worthwhile. It's worthwhile just as a constant distraction. Every hour Trump has to spend on this makes it harder for him to do other things. Like torture puppies?
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new phone who dis posted:Like torture puppies? Look, Trump's a monster and the Republicans are monsters and their policies are going to kill thousands of people. Just as one example, if nothing else, Paul Ryan's proposed and planned replacement of medicaid's defined benefit requirements with state-level block grants will by itself result in the deaths of tens of thousands of people due to lack of necessary medical care. And that's just one planned benefit cut out of many. If pointing out that they are practically on the same level as Disney villains requires a hyperbolic example to get the point across -- and the puppies example does that -- so be it. Toadvine posted:Like war with Iran hey, let's not narrow it down just yet! http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/774340/Trump-military-review-North-Korea-China-Japan-Russia-Missile-War-Games
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:
We'll be greeted as liberators, China gets to deal with a humanitarian crisis on their border, win-win
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Look, Trump's a monster and the Republicans are monsters and their policies are going to kill thousands of people. Just as one example, if nothing else, Paul Ryan's proposed and planned replacement of medicaid's defined benefit requirements with state-level block grants will by itself result in the deaths of tens of thousands of people due to lack of necessary medical care. And that's just one planned benefit cut out of many. so this is what reading dnd all day does to people lol
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CalvinCoolidge posted:If you actually read the article that the editorial that was listed linked to, you would have read that: Oh so it's Obama's fault gotcha
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Look, Trump's a monster and the Republicans are monsters and their policies are going to kill thousands of people. Just as one example, if nothing else, Paul Ryan's proposed and planned replacement of medicaid's defined benefit requirements with state-level block grants will by itself result in the deaths of tens of thousands of people due to lack of necessary medical care. And that's just one planned benefit cut out of many. You don't see how starting with the hyperbolic and patently untrue bullshit undermines your credibility? Why lead with the puppies thing? Didn't that at least smell a LITTLE like bullshit to you? Do you think war with Iran or the repeal of Obamacare aren't good enough arguments to make by themselves? Does the left really need to embrace every stupid loving conspiracy that comes down the pipe now out of solidarity in some sort of spectacular self-detonation? Does clicking an extra link or two to vet what you're looking at really take that much effort when the result of not doing so is getting hilariously proven wrong?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Look, Trump's a monster and the Republicans are monsters and their policies are going to kill thousands of people. Just as one example, if nothing else, Paul Ryan's proposed and planned replacement of medicaid's defined benefit requirements with state-level block grants will by itself result in the deaths of tens of thousands of people due to lack of necessary medical care. And that's just one planned benefit cut out of many.
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Blanket gag orders on administrations are bad. Don't need fake news to tell me that. The USDA and the New Jersey puppy mill fiasco has nothing to do with Trump. I'm clicking and learning!
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Puppy mill stuff is not "patently untrue". At best, there's an alternate possible explanation (prior litigation) other than pure nefariousness. On the other hand, there's also a pattern of the Trump administration destroying public records that help perceived "liberal" causes. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.7dc53306b665 http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trump-administration-removes-lgbtq-content-federal-websites-n711416 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/20/us/politics/trump-white-house-website.html http://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/1/25/14370712/trump-science-gagging-explained I think you're extending the Trump administration the benefit of the doubt when they've done nothing to deserve same. Especially since, in the instance of puppy mills specifically, quote:But one of Trump's most recent picks to helm his transition, Brian Klippenstein, has an almost cartoonishly-villainous history protecting puppy mills from regulation that would make them more humane. https://mic.com/articles/162185/trump-s-newest-pick-is-a-defender-of-puppy-mills-an-industry-of-torture#.n0T2gTC6T So sure, maybe the removal of puppy mill records is because of amorphous and unexplained litigation. Alternatively, the guy Trump hired who is in fact a puppy mill lobbyist is doing his job. Kjoery posted:hello welcome to hellthread where 25% of posters are frog men https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exnaY0l4XsM Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Mar 3, 2017 |
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new phone who dis posted:You don't see how starting with the hyperbolic and patently untrue bullshit undermines your credibility? Why lead with the puppies thing? Didn't that at least smell a LITTLE like bullshit to you? Do you think war with Iran or the repeal of Obamacare aren't good enough arguments to make by themselves? Does the left really need to embrace every stupid loving conspiracy that comes down the pipe now out of solidarity in some sort of spectacular self-detonation? Does clicking an extra link or two to vet what you're looking at really take that much effort when the result of not doing so is getting hilariously proven wrong? Your argument comes down to: "Policies don't have consequences. You explained the consequences of Trump's policies. Stop being hyperbolic" At least old hellthread just wanted to laugh at people on tumblr and the alt-right. This is full of people who clearly don't care about the people who have already been hurt by Trump's policies.
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Let us English posted:Your argument comes down to: "Policies don't have consequences. You explained the consequences of Trump's policies. Stop being hyperbolic" My argument is that every time someone posts some dumb, untrue bullshit like puppy torture, rounding up the gays into camps, or whatever the hyperbolic stupidity of the moment is, people who aren't entrenched on either side roll their eyes at you and you lose credibility and possible allies. Nobody is taking down Trump without the swing vote and broad popular support, and the Democrats and anti-Trump people in general don't have that right now. Melting down into leftist Alex Jones isn't going to help your cause.
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