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Our Man Bashir is the absolute pinnacle of holodeck episodes. It's a real shame Avery Brooks hasn't played more villains.
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Kibayasu posted:They should rent some costumes, hire a high school play set team, buy some model minatures, and film their own with a iPhone camera. Yeah, but thanks to those Axanar assholes, they'd now have to keep the whole thing to 15 minutes or less.
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I've been doing my first complete run-through of TOS -- finally watching the blu-rays I've had forever. There are many episodes I've seen large portions of as a kid, but I've never really truly watched it all cohesively. Introducing it to my wife as well, who's loving it. We just hit the end of season 1, and we were struck by what a truly, truly awful episode "The Alternative Factor" was. I don't remember ever seeing or hearing anything about this episode; for good reason, I suppose. If "Spock's Brain" is the Plan 9 of Star Trek, this is the Manos -- less a so-bad-it's-good romp and more of an endurance test. (For bonus points, the main character kinda looks like Torgo.) The pacing of this thing is just bafflingly terrible. It feels like they beam back and forth between the planet and the Enterprise about 100 times, just kind of stumbling around trying to make sense of the episode's vague mystery concept. You'd think an episode about a potentially double-universe-ending collision between matter and antimatter would be more exciting, but alas... Fortunately, "The City On the Edge of Forever" immediately followed.
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Powered Descent posted:Yeah, but thanks to those Axanar assholes, they'd now have to keep the whole thing to 15 minutes or less. And they'd have to recast everyone because professional actors aren't allowed anymore
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Mar 2, 2017 02:51
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Duckbag posted:The original series is fantastic, imo, and it's really great to watch how the series evolves. There's a great sense of fun and adventure in TOS that can be lacking in early Next Gen. What? Early TNG is still a bit loose and bold, it's late TNG that gets super-stuffy and dry.
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bull3964 posted:Yeah, the VFX aren't the largest concern. It's tracking down all the relevant footage and re-editing the episodes after they are scanned in. Are you sure about that? Because that would tend to imply that any film remastering would be dauntingly expensive, but there's been other filmed shows that have been rescanned and edited back together. Is the market for old Michael Moriarty-era Law & Order episodes really that much bigger than the market for TNG episodes was?
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Sir Lemming posted:I've been doing my first complete run-through of TOS -- finally watching the blu-rays I've had forever. There are many episodes I've seen large portions of as a kid, but I've never really truly watched it all cohesively. Introducing it to my wife as well, who's loving it. I wouldn't be surprised if The Alternative Factor was another one of those "Gene Roddenberry was sitting under a tree furiously scrawling dialogue on a pad of paper because the script came in late" episodes. (The one that I read that story about was Shore Leave.)
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I wouldn't be surprised if The Alternative Factor was another one of those "Gene Roddenberry was sitting under a tree furiously scrawling dialogue on a pad of paper because the script came in late" episodes. (The one that I read that story about was Shore Leave.) The title sounds like something that came out of one of those "match up your birthdate with these lists of sci-fi words" things. I got Moon Moon
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Alternative Factor is probably the single worst episode of any Trek show, all the worse because the episodes on either side of it are classics. I still laugh when I think of Kirk mumbling "what of Lazarus" like we should give a gently caress. What of Lazarus, indeed? The backstory here is that Lazarus was supposed to be played by John Drew Barrymore, who was on a bender and couldn't be bothered to show up to the set. They tried to film around him, but having seen the episode you'll see that there isn't much they could do. So they shut down production for a day to work out whether they should scrap the episode or rush a replacement casting for him. They made the wrong call. The replacement, Robert Brown, has the virtue of being sober enough to film, but not much else, and the script is such a drag that any actor alive would have struggled to enliven it. They filed a grievance against Barrymore with the SAG about the whole debacle, which kept him out of work for months and basically killed his career, but given that the alternative (  ) was starring in this piece of poo poo he probably got the better end of the deal.
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There was also, IIRC, supposed to be something of a romance between Lazarus and an engineering lieutenant, which ended up being cut when a black woman was cast and they decided they didn't want to get the show banned in the south... So, yeah, between casting problems, production problems, and last minute rewrites, it's not surprising that what came out is barely coherent at best.
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Angry Salami posted:There was also, IIRC, supposed to be something of a romance between Lazarus and an engineering lieutenant, which ended up being cut when a black woman was cast and they decided they didn't want to get the show banned in the south... So, yeah, between casting problems, production problems, and last minute rewrites, it's not surprising that what came out is barely coherent at best. I've heard this excuse, but also that it was too close in production order to the female crewman who falls for Khan and they didn't want to reuse the plot point so soon.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Are you sure about that? Because that would tend to imply that any film remastering would be dauntingly expensive, but there's been other filmed shows that have been rescanned and edited back together. Is the market for old Michael Moriarty-era Law & Order episodes really that much bigger than the market for TNG episodes was? Probably, yes. However, in Law & Order's case, it's far easier. That was a cut negative show. So it was edited on film. So, it's a simple scan job, no editing necessary for the remaster. Anything that has a film edit is a a lot easier to transfer to HD. A comparative job to TNG was "The X FIles". However, they didn't do any re-compositing, opting instead to upscale any VFX scenes. VFX do factor into it to be sure, but it's not the dealbreaker. DS9 could do the scan live footage and upscale VFX sequences too. Honestly, a lot of us would probably be ok with that even. But it's still a significant cost. They would need a home run syndication deal to get that to happen and the market just isn't there.
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kaworu posted:. Voyager lagged so far behind them in this department that it's crazy. DS9 is *by far* the most aesthetically tasteful and professionally polished shows ever made, in my opinion. are you implying you're not impressed by this masterpiece 
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Generic Monk posted:are you implying you're not impressed by this masterpiece Somebody certainly made an impression on him.
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That's one of the most confusing episodes of Voyager. Not because of whatever happened in the episode (forgot and don't really care) but because that is such a terrible robot costume. Was it a "my nephew made this dumb robot mask and I promised we'd use it on the show" type situation? I find it hard to believe any prop department could make that and actually be proud of it.
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bull3964 posted:VFX do factor into it to be sure, but it's not the dealbreaker. DS9 could do the scan live footage and upscale VFX sequences too. Honestly, a lot of us would probably be ok with that even. But it's still a significant cost. DS9 would also suffer substantially more from a live scan/FX upscale because of so many shots with FX during live scenes. The abrupt quality shifts back and forth mid-scene would be really noticeable, to the point where it's likely better to just settle for a decent upscale and digital regrade of the whole thing uniformly.
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skasion posted:Alternative Factor is probably the single worst episode of any Trek show, all the worse because the episodes on either side of it are classics. I still laugh when I think of Kirk mumbling "what of Lazarus" like we should give a gently caress. What of Lazarus, indeed? Haha yeah. It's the perfect line to close the episode, because the answer is so clearly "nobody cares"
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I just had to read the MA description of "The Alternative Factor" because I didn't remember a single thing about it, despite having watched the whole series about a year ago. It still makes no sense.
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I read an online plot summary of "The Alternative Factor" immediately after watching it for the first time and I still didn't understand it. My reaction was just "wait, THAT'S what happened?"
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Watched "That Which Survives" and was baffled. It wasn't as boring or terrible as some of the other episodes but Kirk and Spock were very off-character. Kirk was putting Sulu down left and right for no discernible reason and Spock was downright nasty to the rest of the crew.
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Dazerbeams posted:Watched "That Which Survives" and was baffled. It wasn't as boring or terrible as some of the other episodes but Kirk and Spock were very off-character. Kirk was putting Sulu down left and right for no discernible reason and Spock was downright nasty to the rest of the crew. Yeah this one's a clunker. Doesn't really pass the sanity test either: given how absurdly powerful the "security system" is, its rule for one kill at a time makes no sense at all. Why didn't it just blow up the Enterprise?
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Gonz posted:Huh. One of Worf's weird future-hobbies is collecting obscure memorabilia from 20th century television. Earth citizens really have nothing better to do.
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Cojawfee posted:That's one of the most confusing episodes of Voyager. Not because of whatever happened in the episode (forgot and don't really care) but because that is such a terrible robot costume. Was it a "my nephew made this dumb robot mask and I promised we'd use it on the show" type situation? I find it hard to believe any prop department could make that and actually be proud of it. Hey, that robot would stand proudly on any Doctor Who set.
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Does anyone really stand proudly on a Doctor Who set?bull3964 posted:Nomad skasion posted:The big serpent god thing was a computer iirc I'd say Vaal counts because IIRC they have to trick him into lowering his shield to kill him. I forget how they deal with the computers in For The World Is Hollow...,, What Little Girls are Made of, and Spock's Brain, but some of those may qualify. There's also the robot girl in Requiem for Methuseleh who Kirk pillow talks to death so, even if we're being stringent here, that's at least five.
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They starved Vaal by keeping the villagers from feeding it with rock fuel. That caused the shields to drop and they could phaser it. In "For the world is hollow..." it was straight up Spock hacking skills after they got access to the computer console. So, both would qualify for "Saving a civilization from a computer run amok" but not for talking a computer to death.
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bull3964 posted:They starved Vaal by keeping the villagers from feeding it with rock fuel. That caused the shields to drop and they could phaser it. That was one of my favorite effects scenes watching the Enterprise phasering the gently caress out of Vaal.
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Duckbag posted:Does anyone really stand proudly on a Doctor Who set? Wobbling counts. 
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Mister Kingdom posted:That was one of my favorite effects scenes watching the Enterprise phasering the gently caress out of Vaal. Yeah, that one, Taste of Armageddon, Mirror Mirror, and a few others really drive home how incredibly powerful the Enterprise is. Knowing that they're essentially flying around in a planet killing superweapon makes you appreciate a little more how rarely they use it that way and also shows that all those things that can disable the Enterprise like it's nothing are just completely next level poo poo that could threaten the whole galaxy if not dealt with.
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Mister Kingdom posted:That was one of my favorite effects scenes watching the Enterprise phasering the gently caress out of Vaal. Same here, I love it when they just tape a quarter over the phaser button and leave it there till whatever they're shooting is dead. Helps that the TOS phasers are one of my favorite sound effects of all time.
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Finally got to Children of Time in DS9 rewatch, not going to start another argument about the ethics, I just want to say I love the crew's argument about what to do when O'Brien reminds Worf he doesn't give a poo poo about his own kid. Yeah of course you don't care about never seeing your family again Worf, your son's a wiener and you're constantly trying to fob him off on someone else. E: Also you mind-wiped your brother VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Mar 3, 2017 |
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I'm watching VOY: Equinox and it's like someone grafted a good and interesting Trek show onto Voyager what the gently caress. It's got a great captain, that rad dude from Deadwood, and Cylon #4 from BSG whose voice and eyes are still instantly terrifying to me because of it. Sadly that same guy was also the actor under that horrible robot mask.
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VitalSigns posted:Finally got to Children of Time in DS9 rewatch, not going to start another argument about the ethics, I just want to say I love the crew's argument about what to do when O'Brien reminds Worf he doesn't give a poo poo about his own kid. Yeah of course you don't care about never seeing your family again Worf, your son's a wiener and you're constantly trying to fob him off on someone else. It's great that Worf doesn't even try to deny it.
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Dad without honor, so what?
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Duckbag posted:Dad without honor, so what? Duras?
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Glory to you, and your alimonyyyyyyyyy.
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So I already had a bad feeling about the new show.. and frankly I kind of believe most of the rumors given everything that's happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km5qVwZvjm8 If it's true, this will be a loving disaster. But like I said, I kind of expected that already. ED: Poor Bryan Fuller, guy keeps getting run out of projects he's into because he wants to do something good. This is like the third or forth time he's joined a disaster and had to run. PostNouveau posted:It's great that Worf doesn't even try to deny it. I know, he's such a loving terrible father. It's hilarious they had to have an episode about his son traveling back from the future to tell him he's a loving bad father, and he still didn't change. It's kind of comedy gold really. I'm actually disappointed they turned his son into a screw up soldier on a Klingon ship. He should have become a total pot smoking space hippie and be like, like, no wars for honor man. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 10:46 on Mar 3, 2017 |
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