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Let us English posted:Pretending you don't speak English is a good way to get away from Nigerians in Roppongi. They know you're full of poo poo but don't want to do the work of getting you to break the facade AND THEN convince you to gently caress their I find that saying, "No" and moving on is more than sufficient, did you try that?
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Stringent posted:I find that saying, "No" and moving on is more than sufficient, did you try that? Yes I tried that. They don't take that for an answer. It's even worse for women. They will literally pick them up off the street to get people in the club. Their Japanese handlers don't like it when they see it but it still happens.
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hakimashou posted:You know I kind wish I'd have gotten in nonsense arguments with Chinese people. Made poo poo up like "English is 6000 years old, older than chinese by 1000 years, the oldest language in the world in fact, everyone knows this!" The best is to consescend them with "history is irrelevant" or "so long and so little to show". Alternately talk about Watson Brake and the 6000 years of contiguous American History and just really piss them off. Or just talk about Faiyum and ask why chinese people cant build cities nice enough to live in for 10,000 years.
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Fleta Mcgurn posted:lol I love how you're still mad about that. I had FOUR different Canadian people say variations of that to me over the span of that vacation. It's actually really mean! Like, I would understand if they said "How can a foreigner teach STEM subjects in China?" but it was literally, "How can Americans teach in Asia?" with a very strong emphasis on "Americans" so that there was really no other way to interpret it. as a canadian i can confirm that this is because we may be the most insecure non-chinese people on the planet
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hakimashou posted:Its important to remember perspective. They absolutely do and say awful things regularly because they dislike or distrust the foreigner, even if it may not be to your face. They treat each other pretty lovely, but they do know better, just like we all do regardless of cultural differences. If this was not the case, this thread would not be on its 5th or 6th edition. EDIT: Them looking at us like animals that don't know any better, and us looking at them like animals that don't know any better... LOL Haier fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Mar 3, 2017 |
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Fojar38 posted:as a canadian i can confirm that this is because we may be the most insecure non-chinese people on the planet After South Korean males naturally.
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Haier posted:stuff about china gawking These stories are weird for me because I've been in shanghai a super long time (including rural parts) and never been some kind of spectacle, even to the YP tourists wandering around. Old people might look at me on the subway and on maybe one occasion a girl in a high school uniform tried to secretly take a photo of me while we were both waiting for an elevator, but overall I've been invisible and have eaten sandwiches on benches behind shopping malls and the only person eyeing me was the security guard. maybe i should get a skateboard Shanghai is supposed to be mostly "not-china", but the outskirts are basically villages that have never been to the city proper and don't count as Shanghainese. i should have been some kind of govt spook since apparently I dont register to people
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Stringent posted:I find that saying, "No" and moving on is more than sufficient, did you try that? You must not look rich or female. I tried that once and after a few repetitions of "No" he started screaming and running and after me. I got chased INTO the road while the guy called me a loving bitch and said he'd find me and kill me. I ran all the way across the street into traffic and the fucker was still chasing me; I managed to lose him in Shinjuku station long enough to go through the turnstiles and jump on my train. Had to call my ex to meet me at the station because I wasn't completely sure the tout hadn't followed me. Never went back to Kabukicho alone again. In short, shhhhhhhhhhhh you have no clue. Let us English posted:Yes I tried that. They don't take that for an answer. It's even worse for women. They will literally pick them up off the street to get people in the club. Their Japanese handlers don't like it when they see it but it still happens. Yeah, this happened to a friend of ours. She was on Takeshita-dori shopping, fell for the "I'm gonna wave at you to get your attention" gambit, and after repeatedly telling the guy "no," he picked her up and started carrying her into the bar. She screamed so loud that his yakuza handler came running and made the guy drop her. It was awful.
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Fleta Mcgurn posted:Yeah, this happened to a friend of ours. She was on Takeshita-dori shopping, fell for the "I'm gonna wave at you to get your attention" gambit, and after repeatedly telling the guy "no," he picked her up and started carrying her into the bar. She screamed so loud that his yakuza handler came running and made the guy drop her. It was awful. I feel like it's more effective to do it this way: http://www.artofmanliness.com/2012/03/29/how-to-build-a-small-game-survival-snare/
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Let us English posted:Yes I tried that. They don't take that for an answer. It's even worse for women. They will literally pick them up off the street to get people in the club. Their Japanese handlers don't like it when they see it but it still happens. Can't say this doesn't happen but it's not a common occurrence. Also "I'm good bro" or some variation thereof works every time for me sooooo
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Fleta Mcgurn posted:Yeah, this happened to a friend of ours. She was on Takeshita-dori shopping, fell for the "I'm gonna wave at you to get your attention" gambit, and after repeatedly telling the guy "no," he picked her up and started carrying her into the bar. She screamed so loud that his yakuza handler came running and made the guy drop her. It was awful. please describe the "waving at you gambit", unless that's the whole thing... you've been to korea, is this better or worse than the scummy bikis pushing/pulling/carrying women into their booking room clubs while going "nightuh nightuh nightuh"?
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ladron posted:please describe the "waving at you gambit", unless that's the whole thing... They wave at you from a short distance; your eyes are drawn to them. Then they make eye contact, smile real big, and start their pitch. I actually never saw what you describe in Korea (although I am aware that it exists) but I never felt personally threatened there. e: I mean, in my experience just saying "no" to the touts does USUALLY work. I'm just saying, there's no need to be nasty to people for pretending they don't speak English to avoid them because there ARE times where it doesn't work and it is very frightening. I personally just would be "on the phone" whenever I walked by them so as not to engage with them at all. Fleta Mcgurn fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Mar 3, 2017 |
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Fleta Mcgurn posted:You must not look rich or female. I tried that once and after a few repetitions of "No" he started screaming and running and after me. I got chased INTO the road while the guy called me a loving bitch and said he'd find me and kill me. I ran all the way across the street into traffic and the fucker was still chasing me; I managed to lose him in Shinjuku station long enough to go through the turnstiles and jump on my train. Had to call my ex to meet me at the station because I wasn't completely sure the tout hadn't followed me. Never went back to Kabukicho alone again. What bars are there in Takeshita-doori
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LimburgLimbo posted:What bars are there in Takeshita-doori None that I know of, but there are (or used to be) small restaurants behind that one 300-yen accessories store. The touts don't just look for bars or strip clubs; some of them also promote izakaya. This was six years ago, so maybe that's changed.
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Don't follow the thread but was linked in here. I don't know poo poo about kabukicho, but people dont get picked up or chased down the street for saying "no". I've seen touts in roppongi get mad twice. Once someone called them "friend of the family" to their face. The other time a new guy shoved through me and my group of friends and I told him to watch the gently caress out. He grabbed me arm and started getting pissy at me and talking poo poo. He didn't want to let go of my arm so I said fine, let's go to the cops. Thinking he was calling my bluff we started on the way and when the other touts asked him what's up he told them we were going to the cops. They freaked the gently caress out and pulled him away and bought me and friends a free round at the bar we were going to. Guy was gone less than a week later. Anyways - normally no or "I'm going to <name of place>" and they'll leave you alone. These guys are busting their rear end so they make quota and keep their 5m/year job and not get sent back to Africa. After hours they're pretty cool to chill and have a drink with.
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Aredna posted:Don't follow the thread but was linked in here. 5m/year would be pretty drat good compared to usual Japanese salary tbh
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You are welcome to argue with my personal experience if you want- I can't prove it- but thank you for the insult. I understand that all women are now officially garbage under the US government, but I really don't need that. bai thred
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LimburgLimbo posted:5m/year would be pretty drat good compared to usual Japanese salary tbh really?
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hakimashou posted:And NK and Russians. And probably Belarus, and maybe Cuba and Venezuela. That's what he said.
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Fleta Mcgurn posted:You are welcome to argue with my personal experience if you want- I can't prove it- but thank you for the insult. I dunno I was just kinda creeped out by the generalizations you were making, they came across as very racist to me. 
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Fleta Mcgurn posted:You are welcome to argue with my personal experience if you want- I can't prove it- but thank you for the insult. I guess it's not just China that gets easily offended.
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yo forums poster oohhboy please observe the correct way to melt down and leave a thread
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Fleta Mcgurn posted:You are welcome to argue with my personal experience if you want- I can't prove it- but thank you for the insult. Advice: Zeppelins are welcome again in Germany.
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Stringent posted:I dunno I was just kinda creeped out by the generalizations you were making, they came across as very racist to me. You talk down to a woman and claim her lived experience didn't happen and then claim racism? Check the plank in your own eye first.
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Hey lets remember this isn't the D&D thread its GBS Hey ohhhbbboooyyy post a picture of your suit already
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hakimashou posted:Hey lets remember this isn't the D&D thread its GBS I mean yeah, exactly, so when somebody says something dumb we can go hog wild ohboy, post the 5-piece aredna, lol tell us more about our own lives please
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ive never been to kabikuchiko never even heard of it before but i know for sure no one ever gets chased there guaranteed
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Let us English posted:You talk down to a woman and claim her lived experience didn't happen and then claim racism? Check the plank in your own eye first. Sorry I didn't realize you're a woman.
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LentThem posted:These stories are weird for me because I've been in shanghai a super long time (including rural parts) and never been some kind of spectacle, even to the YP tourists wandering around. Old people might look at me on the subway and on maybe one occasion a girl in a high school uniform tried to secretly take a photo of me while we were both waiting for an elevator, but overall I've been invisible and have eaten sandwiches on benches behind shopping malls and the only person eyeing me was the security guard. maybe i should get a skateboard I've noticed the more rednecky the area, close up staring is less because maybe they feel a little scared or something (they will just stare from a distance instead). Whether walking or on a skateboard, I want to go down any new street I can if the map tells me it's a shortcut or another way through. I've always done this and learned my area, so it's great for finding all sorts of shops and places, but also means I am exposed to people who are maybe unaccustomed to seeing a foreigner there. I lived in Shanghai and it was always different (and I sometimes agree with the "less like China" sentiment in certain things). I did see street making GBS threads in Shanghai as recently as 2009, which is hilarious to me because I never saw it in my time in the countryside. Even if I didn't directly see the street making GBS threads, I also saw lovely toilet paper in piles near dense bushes when I lived there. Shenzhen is one of those cities where nobody is from Shenzhen. It doesn't have 5000 years of history, and maybe barely 5000 weeks of history. I like that everyone here is from all over China and it's a melting pot of every dialect and province's people. It's got none of the snobbery, but a lot of the rednecks for factories or the hillside grandparents coming to care for their educated children's babies. Foreigners and Hong Kongers continuously whine and bitch that they don't speak Cantonese here but LOL, whatever, it's mainly full of hillbillies from every other province so that's logical that nobody speaks it. The point is: Despite being the most (or one of the most) expensive cities in China, it has a high-level of hillbillies or old people who grew up in caves, and the weird behavior comes out from time to time.
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Persistence Deathmatch Roppongi touts vs Istanbul carpet bros
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how dare you suggest your experiences are not the exact same as mine? i'm outta here
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Shut up I like reading her posts I'm waiting in a gigantic line for hot pot because my wife repeatedly insisted I not get a table. When she arrived she said "ok where's the table number?" "There is no table number, you told me not to get a table" "Oh I thought you meant a table at this extremely popular restaurant on a Friday night was available right now."
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Did that already! "No there's no point in same day reservation." Counterpoint: we are in and there is a super helpful old English speaking guy pointing everything out for us.
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Fleta Mcgurn posted:You are welcome to argue with my personal experience if you want- I can't prove it- but thank you for the insult. Yo I'm not doubting it happened to you and I don't think any of us were, but "touts will literally abduct you" is not exactly an accurate statement because the suggestion is that it's a regular occurrence, which I doubt, and most people here doubt, based upon our combined decades of living in Japan, and Aredna's presumably literal decade of boozing in Roppongi (which is impressive when you consider he hasn't been in Japan for a decade, but Roppongi tends to warp time). For example I've had a couple old Japanese assholes literally try to fight me, but I don't make the statement "Japanese people will try to fight you" because those were the actions of a individuals and not really enough of a sample size to make broad claims about people. Expats making claims like this not realizing how ridiculous their generalizations are is a common occurrence and the thread, the individuals in it, and myself, reacted as we usually do. It wasn't until later that the details of your posts suggested that you were a woman and I didn't realize myself. Congrats, you're getting treated like any other poster here does; this is equality. For fucks sake the whole thread repeatedly called ooohboy a trash human being with no friends and not even he huffed off so quick.
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I'm pretty sure ohhhboy said he wouldn't post pictures because he was afraid of doxxing himself somehow. As for the Tokyo kidnapper story, what's their game plan? They physically carry you into the bar to...? I mean are they trying to force you to patronize their bar or are they trying to abduct you into slavery? That sounds seriously scary. Also, Japan seems like a weird place to go to commit felonies, but I guess the Japanese police largely ignore it if they keep it confined to their one little area and only prey on other foreigners? mrbotus fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Mar 3, 2017 |
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