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logikv9 posted:susan sarandon only backs the best candidates, like ralph nader Good thing in 2020 we don't need to choose between leftist purity and candidate quality, you can have both! 
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logikv9 posted:also what happened to not caring what celebrities think
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logikv9 posted:also what happened to not caring what celebrities think hi, that was just me, not everyone else in the thread
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comedyblissoption posted:it's more about other people like Chris Hayes caring about what susan sarandon thinks to the point that they'll try to humiliate her on national television for the grievous offense of criticizing Our Abuela susan saranson sucks hth
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The opinion of every person on Earth is that celebrities are rightly saying important things from as big a stage as they can when you agree with them, and need to shut up and do their jobs when you disagree with them This is not unique to any group or demographic
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Gringostar posted:i'm sure that had nothing to do with all the reports of people being turned away from voting because they were being asked for their id illegally there 
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Gringostar posted:susan saranson sucks hth its the key to a healthy marriage
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i'd be interested, if the data is available, of money spent per vote received in states. $ per vote is largely a meaningless statistic since so many factors impact how someone votes, not just campaigns. And you hit diminishing returns as spending ramps up. I don't think she really spent that much in AZ - maybe between 2 and 4 million? But given how close AZ was, I'd say that was a far better investment than the millions she ended up spending in Iowa.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:hi, that was just me, not everyone else in the thread apologies!!
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Former Everything implicitly agreeing that Hillary was bad 
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loquacius posted:The opinion of every person on Earth is that celebrities are rightly saying important things from as big a stage as they can when you agree with them, and need to shut up and do their jobs when you disagree with them the only celebrities i like are dead
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Concerned Citizen posted:Hillary being a bad candidate doesn't mean she would have won if her team just tried harder. There's no doubt she would have won MI if she had bought ads there, and probably would have won WI. I don't see how any additional resource allocation would have won PA, though. PA was a central focus to the campaign. And they needed all 3 to get to 270 Hillary and her team were unwilling to try harder at finding things that would actually work. So I guess the criticism isn't that they didn't work hard, it's more that they worked stupid. The sort of hard work that would have won them MI and WI would probably have won them PA too. (as in: finding out what they should actually be saying and then saying that instead of whatever they were already doing)
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loquacius posted:Definitely the leftists, because they're not as mad as I think they should be about this thing the russians definitely did, which is just as bad as doing it themselves If you're a leftist who thinks the Russian ratfucking didn't happen or didn't matter, and you want to have any sort of influence in the Democratic Party, take note. You probably don't have much more time to get on the right side of this issue. If you don't, the centrists are going to use it to lance you like a boil, and they will be right to do so.
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JeffersonClay posted:If you're a leftist who thinks the Russian ratfucking didn't happen or didn't matter, and you want to have any sort of influence in the Democratic Party, take note. You probably don't have much more time to get on the right side of this issue. If you don't, the centrists are going to use it to lance you like a boil, and they will be right to do so.  who do you think you are posting at exactly
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Guys I'm so scared right now, if anyone finds out I hold this reductionist strawman opinion my millions of constituents will turn on me, SA Forums poster JeffersonClay said so 
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Yeah I'm the only democrat who gives a poo poo about the Russians I'm sure this whole thing will just blow over.
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The public doesn't give an iota of a poo poo about the russia story Even active anti-trump protesters only use it as a 'lock her up!' rallying point Nobody is going to go "i really like that these new leftists want to give me money and make my life better, but they didn't do anything about Russia"
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JeffersonClay posted:Yeah I'm the only democrat who gives a poo poo about the Russians I'm sure this whole thing will just blow over. the right only cares about jobs, and when that well dries up im curious to see where they'll focus their misdirected anger certainly not the russians for interference.
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JeffersonClay posted:Yeah I'm the only democrat who gives a poo poo about the Russians I'm sure this whole thing will just blow over. Oh I'm following the Sessions thing and it's great, it's just that that post you wrote was a laughably stupid Internet tough-guy rant directed at an imaginary enemy, bet it felt good to type 
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GlyphGryph posted:Hillary and her team were unwilling to try harder at finding things that would actually work. So I guess the criticism isn't that they didn't work hard, it's more that they worked stupid. this is a good post and i agree with it, but it's also easier said than done when nothing they really tried mattered due to how trump was covered
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Neurolimal posted:Why are centrist democrats so loving blind when it comes to optics They're soulless cowards.
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JeffersonClay posted:Yeah I'm the only democrat who gives a poo poo about the Russians I'm sure this whole thing will just blow over. Agreed, Hillary's emails are super important.
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GlyphGryph posted:Hillary and her team were unwilling to try harder at finding things that would actually work. So I guess the criticism isn't that they didn't work hard, it's more that they worked stupid. Well, they clearly thought they had a winning message. Obviously, they were wrong. But I agree there was a fundamental messaging issue, although it's likely as much a messenger issue as well. If they had resolved that, she'd have won all 3 states.
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The Russian Thing No One Cares About: The Russians Stole The Election! The Russian Thing Everyone Cares About: Goddamn Look At These loving Crooked rear end Connections Everyone In Trump's Cabinet Has
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Neurolimal posted:Why are centrist democrats so loving blind when it comes to optics Because they think reality is an Aaron Sorkin television program and the person with the best argument wins, rather than you know, living in the real world.
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Neurolimal posted:The public doesn't give an iota of a poo poo about the russia story the public actually does care http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-trump-russia-congress-investigation-2017-2 Grondoth posted:The Russian Thing No One Cares about : The Russians Stole The Election!
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Grondoth posted:The Russian Thing No One Cares about : The Russians Stole The Election! Treason! "What treason, I haven't done anything. Prove it."  *US pulls out of NATO and Ukraine, Turkey, Syria gets annexed* "There's no connection there, its just coincidence."
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loquacius posted:Former Everything implicitly agreeing that Hillary was bad She was loving awful, you idiot, and that's why I voted against her in the Dem primary but this is still the dumbest loving thread with the dumbest loving posters and Hillary being terrible doesn't validate any of the dumb poo poo that gets posted in herre
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Ace of Baes posted:Because they think reality is an Aaron Sorkin television program and the person with the best argument wins, rather than you know, living in the real world. JED! Bartlet as a fictional character was a bad president, a bad father, and a bad leftist
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the russian thing is important in so much as nobody should be happy a foreign power is loving with our elections and our elected officials were probably bought by the same but they're republicans so odds are they'd sell the country up the river anyway only to different people and the democrats have other problems that shouldn't be ignored because of it
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Grondoth posted:The Russian Thing No One Cares about : The Russians Stole The Election! ^^^ people need to remember that there is more than one "Russian Thing" also: "crooked rear end connections everyone in Trump's cabinet has and then lied under oath about having" Former Everything posted:She was loving awful, you idiot, and that's why I voted against her in the Dem primary jeez you're acting like it's everyone else's fault you post here
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Neurolimal posted:Why are centrist democrats so loving blind when it comes to optics https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/837674719524577282
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JeffersonClay posted:If you're a leftist who thinks the Russian ratfucking didn't happen or didn't matter, and you want to have any sort of influence in the Democratic Party, take note. You probably don't have much more time to get on the right side of this issue. If you don't, the centrists are going to use it to lance you like a boil, and they will be right to do so.
that's loving it who the gently caress gives a poo poo
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honestly, i'm fine letting the dem establishment stay focused on the russia thing while actual progressives take over the party from the ground up
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also when the above emails were leaked, all the democratic operatives and liberal news media and even hillfolk in this forum screamed that it was a "nothingburger"
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Gringostar posted:honestly, i'm fine letting the dem establishment stay focused on the russia thing while actual progressives take over the party from the ground up
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Gringostar posted:honestly, i'm fine letting the dem establishment stay focused on the russia thing while actual progressives take over the party from the ground up keep em busy huh its all they've got to go on in the ashes of their battleground 
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Neurolimal posted:The public doesn't give an iota of a poo poo about the russia story Lol it's like 90% of democrats and 65% of independents but those are just numbers right? loquacius posted:Oh I'm following the Sessions thing and it's great, it's just that that post you wrote was a laughably stupid Internet tough-guy rant directed at an imaginary enemy, bet it felt good to type I'm not imagining Glenn Greenwald or the Jacobin and the dumb leftists who parrot their nonsense on this issue.
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