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loquacius posted:I don't really think anyone ITT would disagree with this in a straight up-or-down decision, the problem is that a lot of people have been using "RUSSIA" as a buzzword to mean "HILLARY DID NOTHING WRONG please stop criticizing Democrats" the people using russia as "hillary did nothing wrong" are idiots though... yet outside jeffersonclay no one is saying that so i'm wondering where the gently caress all this rage at poo poo not actually happening here is coming from everyone seems to be in agreement that the dems need to change and that a leftist takeover of local parties is crucial to shift the national org towards those changes let the establishment dems focus on that poo poo instead of trying to marginalize a leftist takeover of the party
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JeffersonClay posted:Clinton was a bad candidate who ran a bad campaign and she almost certainly would have won anyway if she hadn't gotten hosed by Comey and Putin. Basically, if she wasn't a Clinton lol.
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logikv9 posted:susan sarandon only backs the best candidates, like ralph nader This but unironically
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JeffersonClay posted:Clinton was a bad candidate who ran a bad campaign and she almost certainly would have won anyway if she hadn't gotten hosed by Comey and Putin. she could have easily won even with that happening but chose not to because she thought it was a foregone conclusion and skipped right to trying to consolidate power and earn favors. our current situation is due to her hubris alone and yet you're still here carrying water for her
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Gringostar posted:the people using russia as "hillary did nothing wrong" are idiots though... yet outside jeffersonclay no one is saying that so i'm wondering where the gently caress all this rage at poo poo not actually happening here is coming from I only loving wish quote:let the establishment dems focus on that poo poo instead of trying to marginalize a leftist takeover of the party  Uniting and standing together etc is all very well and good as long as we're uniting and standing together under actually good ideas which will work, win elections, and improve the country
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loquacius posted:*that bad vanity fair article I didn't like No you need to spend less time handwringing about what I and vanity fair are saying, checkmate. Gringostar posted:the people using russia as "hillary did nothing wrong" are idiots though... yet outside jeffersonclay no one is saying that so i'm wondering where the gently caress all this rage at poo poo not actually happening here is coming from lol I'm not saying that either. I am saying that Hillary told use exactly what was going on here and some of us denied it at the time, and are continuing to do so now. There's plenty of blame to go around here.
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logikv9 posted:Brad woulda won if Janet didn't ruin everything for him never stop posting here, you are a beacon of light in these trying times of all these pbbhthth posts~ yes, im drunk at 1 pm  
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JeffersonClay posted:Clinton was a bad candidate who ran a bad campaign and she almost certainly would have won anyway if she hadn't gotten hosed by Comey and Putin.  Even when you admit it was her own fault you can't bring yourself to accept it.
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JeffersonClay posted:No you need to spend less time handwringing about what I and vanity fair are saying, checkmate. just a heads-up, handwringing forever is a really weird way of saying that also we're playing Catan
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logikv9 posted:Brad woulda won if Janet didn't ruin everything for him Brad played both sides, not pure enough for the -Geeg.
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Fiction posted:she could have easily won even with that happening but chose not to because she thought it was a foregone conclusion and skipped right to trying to consolidate power and earn favors. our current situation is due to her hubris alone and yet you're still here carrying water for her MizPiz posted:
Y'all have some pathological problem where any statement that could possibly validate Clinton or imply that everything is not entirely her fault is an insult to true leftism or something and it's adorable.
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loquacius posted:I only loving wish people in this thread agree on it not like... establishment dems
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Fiction posted:she could have easily won even with that happening but chose not to because she thought it was a foregone conclusion and skipped right to trying to consolidate power and earn favors. our current situation is due to her hubris alone and yet you're still here carrying water for her ding ding ding
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JeffersonClay posted:Y'all have some pathological problem where any statement that could possibly validate Clinton or imply that everything is not entirely her fault is an insult to true leftism or something and it's adorable. My god, JeffersonClay is Hillary Clinton.
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ayo bee the wizzle Clinton was a bad candidate and Bernie woulda won just by the by in case y'all forgot
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No handwringing. No handwringing. You're the handwringing.FactsAreUseless posted:Wait a second... condescending... blind to opposition... weirdly entitled... maybe he wrote the vanity fair article e: oh, also, weirdly fixated on obtaining vengeance against those he perceives as being opposed to him in some way, don't forget that part
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loquacius posted:maybe he wrote the vanity fair article
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FactsAreUseless posted:I don't know what article you're talking about, and 99 percent of the time this thread reads like a dozen old people all sharing one bed and sniping at each other about very specific disputes from decades past. Was posted a few hours ago: MaxxBot posted:Don't like the decades of failed pro-corporate centrism from the establishment Dems? You must be ALT-LEFT
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get off my lawn hillary
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loquacius posted:
it's perfectly normal to keep a long-running list of posters who were with you and posters who were against you
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wrt the vf article in the words of the alt-left: NAH
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Oh Snapple! posted:it's perfectly normal to keep a long-running list of posters who were with you and posters who were against you i hate you all
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loquacius posted:also, weirdly fixated on obtaining vengeance against those he perceives as being opposed to him in some way, don't forget that part  Now let me tell you more about why the election of Tom Perez is an unforgivable insult to the left and heralds the destruction of the Democratic Party.
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JeffersonClay posted:
I don't really see the connection Yes, I perceive the existence of factions on the left and I'm really disappointed in the DNC for not taking an easy out w/r/t factional unity because of their own idiot pride that's not really the same as trying to yell at SA forums posters about things some anonymous person may or may not have said on Twitter months ago
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No fixated. No fixated. You're the fixated.
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utah might switch to ranked ballots, how does this effect the democrats chances? https://twitter.com/fairvote/status/837728876742721536
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Gringostar posted:multiple people in the trump administration being connected to russia is totally unimportant these two things seem different somehow.
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loquacius posted:that's not really the same as trying to yell at SA forums posters about things some anonymous person may or may not have said on Twitter months ago I'm actually a lot more worried about leftist media like Greenwald and the Jacobin (as the vanity fair article mentioned in the section I quoted) but the people who regurgitate their nonsense are bad too. No vomit no vomit you're the vomit
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Terror Sweat posted:utah might switch to ranked ballots, how does this effect the democrats chances? Everything's coming up Egg McMuffin
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JeffersonClay posted:I'm actually a lot more worried about leftist media like Greenwald and the Jacobin (as the vanity fair article mentioned in the section I quoted) but the people who regurgitate their nonsense are bad too. why is socialism bad?
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FactsAreUseless posted:I couldn't care less if Russia literally went to polling places and wrote TRUMP over anywhere it said "Hillary Clinton," that doesn't mean I'm not concerned about person after person in the Trump campaign and administration being revealed to have Russian ties while the administration moves to lift sanctions and tighten our relationship with a far-right dictatorship. But we are already "Great Allies" of Saudi Arabia and Israel 
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resar posted:why is socialism bad? It's pretty chill in a good number of implementations.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:But we are already "Great Allies" of Saudi Arabia and Israel
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JeffersonClay posted:It's pretty chill in a good number of implementations. social democracy dont count
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JeffersonClay posted:It's pretty chill in a good number of implementations. What are the good implementations?
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