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Emissions just leveling off is pretty cold comfort. Sure it's better than increasing the rate we spew greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere but what needs to happen is a drastic decrease in emissions yesterday. It's like being in a sinking boat and feeling good that nobody is making more holes in the hull.
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Acid Haze posted:Sorry, polar bears. Pretty sure your natural reign is over, unless you snap evolve into waterbears.
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Mar 3, 2017 16:59
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*googles name, looks for hit piece, posts it* Let's agree to just laugh at each other. Go on, continue believing poorly-planned sububan sprawl was a FHA conspiracy as opposed to merely the result of aligned interests between developers, wealthier whites, and local politicians representing them.
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Mar 3, 2017 17:15
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I don't get how people end up with this kind of telological interpretation of the function of the planet as opposed to just a bunch of people each acting in self interest in small spheres of influence that result in larger collective fuckups.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:Emissions just leveling off is pretty cold comfort. Sure it's better than increasing the rate we spew greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere but what needs to happen is a drastic decrease in emissions yesterday. It's like being in a sinking boat and feeling good that nobody is making more holes in the hull. If the numbers are real then it's probably just China going through a recession. When they get their economy back in gear they'll get back to emitting.
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TildeATH posted:If the numbers are real then it's probably just China going through a recession. When they get their economy back in gear they'll get back to emitting.
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Potentially interesting climate news just coming in:Independent posted:Chevron warns it could face climate change lawsuits with future oil drilling potentially ‘economically infeasible’ http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...e-a7609411.html
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TildeATH posted:If the numbers are real then it's probably just China going through a recession. When they get their economy back in gear they'll get back to emitting.
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Mar 3, 2017 22:14
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Why would a country that cares about the environment focus on climate instead of reducing the amount of factory-induced daytime yellowout conditions that currently exist? It's bullshit, China doesn't give a flying gently caress about emissions.
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I saw a video on oxygen producing coral and thought "if I could farm that and send it to that guy to put back in the ocean maybe I can help out the cause." Then I realized that was dumb and I live in a landlocked state and it wouldn't help anybody. Then I thought "I'll plant trees. That's the ticket." But then I read an article that talked about creating oxygen producing carbon consuming plants aren't enough and more trees might be more harmful. vermin fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Mar 4, 2017 |
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Mar 4, 2017 00:39
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I was wondering today if being merely existing, not consuming anything, in the US propels you in the top 50% of carbon footprints in the world. I'm talking about service planning and other things that go off census data. If it's true then it is a complete impossibility to increase everyone standard of living to our levels. Reduction would be the only answer.
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Uncle Jam posted:I was wondering today if being merely existing, not consuming anything, in the US propels you in the top 50% of carbon footprints in the world. I'm talking about service planning and other things that go off census data. That hypothetical person wouldn't necessarily be in the top 50% - that's an individual level determination, determined by actual emissions.
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Good news, everyone!
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Uncle Jam posted:merely existing, not consuming anything Oh good, we're back to literally impossible thinking. Is literally impossible thinking better or worse than magical thinking?
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Wonder how many Republican voting gently caress sticks will lose their freshly built beach front property?
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Uncle Jam posted:I was wondering today if being merely existing, not consuming anything, in the US propels you in the top 50% of carbon footprints in the world. I'm talking about service planning and other things that go off census data. US emissions are a TON higher than European emissions. Heck Chinese per capita emissions are higher than European ones. Also you can easily see that the levelling off of Chinese emissions is mainly due to the increased share of renewables/nuclear in the mix, and the reduction in coal. The Chinese could be lying but I choose to be optimistic - it should also be quite simple to track from statistics on fossil fuel imports/production. We did also hear of them shutting down coal plants/cancelling plans for new ones. Fangz fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Mar 4, 2017 |
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TildeATH posted:Oh good, we're back to literally impossible thinking. Yeah its a thought experiment to see if the level of infrastructure could be supported world-wide or not. Fangz posted:US emissions are a TON higher than European emissions. Heck Chinese per capita emissions are higher than European ones. Still, European emissions are much too high to prevent catastrophic warming. Also, Germany is much higher than China despite having nuclear and solar like crazy, there are many many more factors than just coal plants. A lot of it is infrastructure development to support rich living. The US generates half the emissions of China, and has been leveled off for a few decades now, want to celebrate the US's energy policy? Yeah, probably not.
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You're kinda cherry picking comparisons a lot there, I don't see how most of it is relevant to what you want to discuss. Trying to reason using the US-China comparison as your key example is not gonna be terribly useful. My point about renewables relates to the graph I posted earlier. You can see that overall energy consumption in China has increased, but emissions has not, because renewables. Not gonna pretend renewables are the only factor, but it easily explains the recent trend.
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Fangz posted:You're kinda cherry picking comparisons a lot there, I don't see how most of it is relevant to what you want to discuss. Trying to reason using the US-China comparison as your key example is not gonna be terribly useful. I don't really see how China managing to increase energy consumption while flattening emissions over a very short time span is a good argument for or against the idea that the current lifestyle of convenience of the US or 'the west' is completely unsustainable if everyone in the world adopts it even if huge amounts of renewable generators are thrown at the problem, either. I haven't seen a convincing argument either way, I've been looking at studies and haven't really found much. It goes back to one of the main issues in that verification of self reporting of emissions or production (whether by company or country) is nearly impossible or at the best nearly a decade slow.
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Uncle Jam posted:I don't really see how China managing to increase energy consumption while flattening emissions over a very short time span is a good argument for or against the idea that the current lifestyle of convenience of the US or 'the west' is completely unsustainable if everyone in the world adopts it even if huge amounts of renewable generators are thrown at the problem, either. It's not, I was talking about my earlier post.
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https://news.utexas.edu/2017/02/28/goodenough-introduces-new-battery-technology slightly good news even if its gonna take a decade for this to reach the market.
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https://sites.google.com/site/arctischepinguin/home/global-sea-ice
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Mar 8, 2017 14:33
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Stairmaster posted:https://news.utexas.edu/2017/02/28/goodenough-introduces-new-battery-technology Considering he's only made a new anode, they still need to develop the other half of the battery before the 10 year wait starts.
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Cool (heh) infographic about how early Spring has arrived this year, and why (guess).
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enraged_camel posted:Cool (heh) infographic about how early Spring has arrived this year, and why (guess). Unless we have a permanent El Niño now this will go back next year, a little and suddenly "WHERES YOUR GLOBAL WARMING NOW LIBTARDS?!?!?!"
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El Niño has been over for a while and we're ENSO neutral right now. This is just good old fashioned warming. Edit- You're still right, though. This is just weather and we may end up with a cold winter and a late spring next year, which I'm sure will thrill climate deniers. Paradoxish fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Mar 9, 2017 |
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call to action posted:Considering he's only made a new anode, they still need to develop the other half of the battery before the 10 year wait starts.
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enraged_camel posted:Cool (heh) infographic about how early Spring has arrived this year, and why (guess). Oh lovely, it looks like this measure of warming is hitting the mountain transition zone in the Southwest, not Phoenix or anything that will get people to care. Phoenix's water that doesn't come from the Colorado is entirely sourced in those mountains, if they heat up and dry out, it's going to get bad.
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Phoenix and the surrounding area is one giant monument to man's hubris.
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Mustached Demon posted:Phoenix and the surrounding area is one giant monument to man's hubris. A proud 2500 year history of daring the desert to reclaim the fields.
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KiteAuraan posted:Oh lovely, it looks like this measure of warming is hitting the mountain transition zone in the Southwest, not Phoenix or anything that will get people to care. An early spring in agriculture areas has the potential to lessen yields, particularly in perennial plants like fruit trees. If they start to bud early due to unusually warm days, and later experience more seasonally typical weather, like a frost, entire crops can be lost.
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Some farmers end up hiring helicopters to hover over their fields to keep frost from forming on their trees.
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Dr. Furious posted:An early spring in agriculture areas has the potential to lessen yields, particularly in perennial plants like fruit trees. If they start to bud early due to unusually warm days, and later experience more seasonally typical weather, like a frost, entire crops can be lost. I'm actually wondering if this is going to happen this year - there were articles a little while ago about early budding, and we're getting a blast of very cold air this weekend. Could be a bad scenario as far as I can tell.
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It killed a bunch of magnolia blooms here in DC. They got tricked into blooming and then the big freeze hit (lol it got barely freezing) and they all just browned out and dropped off. Really pretty for a couple of days though.
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As I am typing this it is still snowing in Vancouver BC. Normally I would be putting tomatoes outside next week.
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Rime posted:As I am typing this it is still snowing in Vancouver BC. Normally I would be putting tomatoes outside next week. checkmate liberals!
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"Take that liberals!" I cried as I became a climate refugee
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Rime posted:As I am typing this it is still snowing in Vancouver BC. Normally I would be putting tomatoes outside next week. Wow, that's weird. I live thousands of miles to your south in Denver and we don't put out tomatoes until Mother's Day. Guess the coast is keeping you warm?
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call to action posted:Wow, that's weird. I live thousands of miles to your south in Denver and we don't put out tomatoes until Mother's Day. Guess the coast is keeping you warm? Denver is Zone 5b, Vancouver is zone 8b. We're supposed to be a temperate rainforest. You can grow Lemons outdoors here FFS.
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