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Roadie posted:Yeah, districts and wonders taking spaces on the map definitely adds kind of a "puzzle" factor to laying out cities that takes way more thinking than Civ 5 city construction. Yeah, they took one of the better, albeit smaller ideas from Beyond Earth (The end-game wonders placed on the map to make them more vulnerable AND to take up space you have to plan around) and expanded it in an amazing way with the entire wonder-tree AND districts in VI. The city-building aspect is one of the most fun parts of the game.
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Thx folks. I'll probably pick it up later
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Okay I've dropped myself out of all the games I hadn't been replaced in yet. Sorry for holding them up!
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Alkydere posted:Yeah, they took one of the better, albeit smaller ideas from Beyond Earth (The end-game wonders placed on the map to make them more vulnerable AND to take up space you have to plan around) and expanded it in an amazing way with the entire wonder-tree AND districts in VI. The city-building aspect is one of the most fun parts of the game. Unfortunately most wonders in Civ 6 (and many in Beyond Earth) are barely worth building. Some of the Civ 6 wonders are excellent (like the Colosseum which can give big happiness bonuses to five cities if you position it well, or any wonder that gives you an extra government policy slot) but many are trash you kind of feel bad spending a tile on.
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Mar 3, 2017 23:07
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I have to build the Venetian Arsenal in every game I play. I just have to.
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John F Bennett posted:I have to build the Venetian Arsenal in every game I play. I just have to. I think that's the only one I haven't built yet. It's got an annoying requirement that I just don't ever seem to be able to fill.
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John F Bennett posted:I have to build the Venetian Arsenal in every game I play. I just have to. <<<<<------- gently caress yeah
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Declaring war on someone who is Suzerin of a city state should eliminate all your influence from that city-state. Make declaring war matter. Also while in a war you declared you shouldn't get influence points. Basically encourage short purpose driven Wars where you either are going to win the game or accomplish a specific objective, then get peace asap. And of course losing units in enemy territory should have heavy diplomatic and happiness penalties. The idea is if you can win a war you declared, it's a huge boon for you. If you declare a war you are ill-prepared for, it should be detrimental. Also allow the conquering of city-states to eliminate all foreign influence from them.
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Gort posted:Unfortunately most wonders in Civ 6 (and many in Beyond Earth) are barely worth building. Some of the Civ 6 wonders are excellent (like the Colosseum which can give big happiness bonuses to five cities if you position it well, or any wonder that gives you an extra government policy slot) but many are trash you kind of feel bad spending a tile on. That's why I made a mod specifically to address that. ate poo poo on live tv posted:Declaring war on someone who is Suzerin of a city state should eliminate all your influence from that city-state. Make declaring war matter. Also while in a war you declared you shouldn't get influence points. I think this happens if you declare war on the city-state itself, but not its suzerain, because that would actually be a dumb and annoying mechanic. Magil Zeal fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Mar 4, 2017 |
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Gort posted:Unfortunately most wonders in Civ 6 (and many in Beyond Earth) are barely worth building. Some of the Civ 6 wonders are excellent (like the Colosseum which can give big happiness bonuses to five cities if you position it well, or any wonder that gives you an extra government policy slot) but many are trash you kind of feel bad spending a tile on. Eh, I feel it's kinda nice. There are enough that everyone will want, but it's not a requirement to really fight for any but a few unless you're going tourism victory. At which point you'll be spreading out to build more ampitheaters to house your great artists. Basically the designers didn't want people fighting for the exact same wonders every time again. I will say many of them could use at least a slight buff. I do find it hilarious though that the Great Library went to god-tier in V to comically worthless in VI (gives a boost to ALL classical and ancient techs...likely after you've researched all of them anyways) unless, as I said, you're going for a tourism victory because it gives two more book slots.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:And of course losing units in enemy territory should have heavy diplomatic and happiness penalties. Of course, thanks to the way the happiness system reacts to having low local happiness, the AI's crappy frontier cities that they dropped near your borders will just start spawning dozens of barbarian units and you end up being the only one who gets punished for an enemy losing a unit and getting a happiness penalty  I wonder if they could make a rebel "team" kinda like a CS that only attacks the civ that spawned them?
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Australia may be my new favourite fun civ. I'm finding myself always trying to bait the other civs into declaring war against me for the insane production bonus you receive. Just started a map and placed only the aggressive civs on it. The constant declarations of war have put me on top of everything.
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Magil Zeal posted:That's why I made a mod specifically to address that. Link?
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Tin Tim posted:Thx folks. I'll probably pick it up later Don't do it! I play exactly like you and the game doesn't really feel like it suits that sort of playstyle. The cities all feel the same, there's no "specialness" to them. And because the AI is so random and weird it feels really unreal. Less than Civ5/4 it felt like playing the Warlock games where cities don't matter at all and they're interchangable.
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The White Dragon posted:Of course, thanks to the way the happiness system reacts to having low local happiness, the AI's crappy frontier cities that they dropped near your borders will just start spawning dozens of barbarian units and you end up being the only one who gets punished for an enemy losing a unit and getting a happiness penalty
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John F Bennett posted:Australia may be my new favourite fun civ. I'm finding myself always trying to bait the other civs into declaring war against me for the insane production bonus you receive. Thanks to CQUI (I just picked that mod up and have no idea how I'd play without it) I realized my only neighbor on my continent was at like 1/3-1/4 of my military score. Since Gilgamesh likely wouldn't declare on me first I enacted plan "gently caress off, we're full!" and removed him from the game. Best thing was: it was before I managed to meet anyone else so no one realizes what I did to the Close thing too. If my galley set to autoexplore had turned south instead of east I'd have found America and Teddy would likely hate me forever. Instead I found like every city-state and then China 2-3 turns after I took the last of Gil's cities.
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Taear posted:Don't do it! I play exactly like you and the game doesn't really feel like it suits that sort of playstyle. The cities all feel the same, there's no "specialness" to them. And because the AI is so random and weird it feels really unreal. Because you literally cannot build all things in all cities, and cannot build all wonders in a single city, I reject your assertions of sameness and rebuke you in the name of Saint Sid.
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Taear posted:Don't do it! I play exactly like you and the game doesn't really feel like it suits that sort of playstyle. The cities all feel the same, there's no "specialness" to them. And because the AI is so random and weird it feels really unreal. The only system I'm iffy on is housing/water/amenities. Like, having each town use most of the space you have available like in civ5 isn't that good of an idea because cities without a good water source are hella gimped until you have aqueducts and those take a good while to research. I tried 3 games to get my feet wet and I basically always ended up in a sad state where I had growing towns that couldn't keep up with housing/amenites and the game constantly let me know that things are bad. I tried to set my research right to offset that quickly but then you end up being easy prey when one of the AI civs decides to come knocking cause you spent all your time into development and have like 3 units that can fight stuff. There's probably an all-purpose strategy to get your towns going but I haven't found it yet
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Tin Tim posted:The only system I'm iffy on is housing/water/amenities. Like, having each town use most of the space you have available like in civ5 isn't that good of an idea because cities without a good water source are hella gimped until you have aqueducts and those take a good while to research. I tried 3 games to get my feet wet and I basically always ended up in a sad state where I had growing towns that couldn't keep up with housing/amenites and the game constantly let me know that things are bad. I This is part of it I think. It ends up with loads of small cities (and having loads of cities is the most efficent) and just doesn't feel the same, I dunno.
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Yes, they're great for delaying the great midgame housing crunch. Also they look nice.
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Weird things in Civ6: Rome can't build aqueducts.
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The bath has a built-in aquaduct.
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At least they don't bathe in the aqueduct. That'd be really gross.
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John F Bennett posted:I never build aquaducts, should I? If your city isn't directly on a river, then yes. On a coast or just a random tile in the middle of nowhere? Yeah, it basically gives you the river's fresh water housing bonus. If you're on a river, not really unless you're in dire straights housing wise and you don't have neighborhoods yet since you're burning an entire tile for 2 housing. In short: No water: Aqueduct is worth 5 housing Salt water: Aqueduct is worth 3 housing Already has fresh water: Aqueduct is worth 2 housing. Playing as Kongo: Hahahaha, who the gently caress cares, you have an early super-special neighborhood you can spam everywhere. BATHS on the other hand? Always build Baths if you can. They give you EVERYTHING the aqueduct does and THEN add +2 housing and +1 amenity on top of that in addition to getting the "unique district" production discount. So for Baths: No water: Bath is worth 7 housing and 1 amenity Salt water: Bath is worth 5 housing and 1 amenity Already has fresh water: 4 housing and 1 amenity. A much, much better deal to be honest. Byzantine posted:Weird things in Civ6: Rome can't build aqueducts. Yeah, I find that amusing as well. Everyone else can build a thing that the Romans were specifically famous for building all over the place, but the Romans can't build them. Of course as mentioned the Bath's graphic is an aqueduct + a roman bath building.
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Gort posted:Link? Just finished the version with the World Wonders Overhaul only.
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Just in case anyone was wondering when the Mac edition would be updated. Thanks, Firaxis. (How many people on Goon Games 3-4 are running on Mac? If it's just me on GG3, I'll drop.)
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Aerdan posted:Just in case anyone was wondering when the Mac edition would be updated. You know what a Mac is, and you weighed the pros and cons when you bought it.
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The Human Crouton posted:You know what a Mac is, and you weighed the pros and cons when you bought it. Well, you see, if I wanted to be pissed off with computers I would just go back to owning a Windows computer.  I decided accessibility that wasn't a joke and not frequently wanting to throw my computer across the room was more important, particularly since a majority of the games I want to play run perfectly fine on macOS.
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Aerdan posted:Well, you see, if I wanted to be pissed off with computers I would just go back to owning a Windows computer. I dunno man, ever since Mac OS changed "deselect item" from Esc, to Shift+Ctrl+Opt+A, I've wanted to put their computers in the sort of receptacle the Mac Pro looks like these days
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Aerdan posted:(How many people on Goon Games 3-4 are running on Mac? If it's just me on GG3, I'll drop.) In general, noone should ever drop from the PBEM games. It's impossible to replace AI by people again, so by dropping, you're creating an AI player forever. The better choice is to ask if anyone wants to replace you. People can be swapped for people, as long as you don't go through the AI. That said, you're not the only one on Mac. Peas and Rice has one too, I think. No point in dropping now, we will wait.
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Magil Zeal posted:Just finished the version with the World Wonders Overhaul only. Oh, that's you? Nice!
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I love how I don't have to make a courthouse in every town I take.
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Tenzarin posted:I love how I don't have to make a courthouse in every town I take. This and local happiness have made warmongering so much better
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markus_cz posted:That said, you're not the only one on Mac. Peas and Rice has one too, I think. No point in dropping now, we will wait. Yeah, I'm stuck in Macland too. I'm a little surprised; Aspyr was lickity-split with the last patch. PBEM games may really suck for cross-platform play until they're done patching the game. 
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Having played a game with it, the World Wonder Overhaul mod is pretty much a must-have. So many more worthwhile wonders with it enabled.
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It would be cool if you could build canals. I hate discovering that a body of water I thought was the ocean turns out to be separated from it by a two tile strip of land.
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SHISHKABOB posted:It would be cool if you could build canals. I hate discovering that a body of water I thought was the ocean turns out to be separated from it by a two tile strip of land. Or getting to the N/S end of a continent to find you can't go and that way. Canals would be great for getting past 1-2 tiles. With the new wonder system, it'd be a neat, semi rare build. Have it increase commerce and maybe tourism.
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Phuzun posted:Or getting to the N/S end of a continent to find you can't go and that way. Canals would be great for getting past 1-2 tiles. With the new wonder system, it'd be a neat, semi rare build. Have it increase commerce and maybe tourism. If you mean the deal where there's a short blockage of ice preventing navigation around the continent, I think the most recent patch tweaked map generation so that's less common. Haven't verified it myself yet.
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