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King Hong Kong posted:Just include Worf in Starfleet JAG since he deserves to be court-martialed anyway. It can be the pilot!
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Star Trek: NCIS Starfleet officers have to go to alien trials and be cleared of all charges every time a lot
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Mar 4, 2017 03:44
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I'm surprised they never made a college drama about star fleet academy back when shows like Dawson's Creek were all the rage, that kind of show would write itself!
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Mar 4, 2017 04:05
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:I'm surprised they never made a college drama about star fleet academy back when shows like Dawson's Creek were all the rage, that kind of show would write itself! PAHTAK
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Mar 4, 2017 04:16
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skooma512 posted:PAHTAK Better yet -- set it a few years after DS9's conclusion so that we can have a put-upon Professor O'Brien in it! Hot Dog Day #82 fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Mar 4, 2017 |
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Mar 4, 2017 04:19
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Make a new series about exploring a whole new galaxy with all new aliens, except when the Federation gets there somehow the Ferengi have set up a space toll booth at the exit of the wormhole. There's no attempt to discover or explain how they managed to do this, everyone just accepts that Ferengis can make poo poo like this happen.
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Mar 4, 2017 05:03
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"Somebody's gotta go back and get a shitload of dimes!"
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Mar 4, 2017 05:08
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:Better yet -- set it a few years after DS9's conclusion so that we can have a put-upon Professor O'Brien in it! I seriously think they should do the next series as Enterprise-G 50 years later well outside the bounds of known space for the entire run, but they could also totally have character flashback vignettes and some could be at the academy and feature Professor O'Brien
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Mar 4, 2017 06:11
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We've never seen the Beta Quadrant, right? There's a whole show right there.
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Mar 4, 2017 06:18
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WampaLord posted:We've never seen the Beta Quadrant, right? There's a whole show right there. But the galaxy is loving huge. Most of Alpha and Beta are still unexplored. Most of Gamma and Delta, too.
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Mar 4, 2017 06:29
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:I'm surprised they never made a college drama about star fleet academy back when shows like Dawson's Creek were all the rage, that kind of show would write itself! That is Star Trek 2009 you goober.
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Mar 4, 2017 06:30
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King Hong Kong posted:Just include Worf in Starfleet JAG since he deserves to be court-martialed anyway. What do you know of Klingon laaaaaaaw?! 
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Mar 4, 2017 06:34
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Yeah, it's weird. DS9 gives the impression that the Alpha Quadrant is where the Federation, Klingons, Romulans, etc are all located, but all the official maps from supplementary material show the Federation straddling the two quadrants and the Klingons and Romulans located entirely or almost entirely in the Beta Quadrant, but pretty close to the border. I guess that kind of explains why the Romulans were so hesitant to join the war against the Dominion. 
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Mar 4, 2017 06:37
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Pakled posted:Yeah, it's weird. DS9 gives the impression that the Alpha Quadrant is where the Federation, Klingons, Romulans, etc are all located, but all the official maps from supplementary material show the Federation straddling the two quadrants and the Klingons and Romulans located entirely or almost entirely in the Beta Quadrant, but pretty close to the border. I guess that kind of explains why the Romulans were so hesitant to join the war against the Dominion. Alternately the Beta quadrant was just low-Dilithium and lost its girlfriends to powerful Ferengis who had mastered negging fe-males into oomox.
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Mar 4, 2017 08:40
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Nessus posted:I figure the greater chunk of developed star systems were in the Alpha Quadrant or something so even if they included territories in the Beta quadrant, maybe, I don't know, that was like the dark bands between galactic arms. Or something. Maybe it's sort of like how Russia is usually considered a European country even though most of it is in Asia. Maybe all the parts of the Klingon and Romulan Empires that actually matter are in the Alpha Quadrant. The stuff in the Beta Quadrant is like Siberia -- it has its strategic uses, but it's not where the Empire is actually FROM or anything.
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Mar 4, 2017 08:47
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The show was obviously never written with any clear geography in mind and the maps are total bullshit someone rubber stamped "canon"
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Mar 4, 2017 09:06
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I always figured that they only ever said Alpha quadrant because that's were all the fighting took place and it was slightly less clunky than saying alpha and beta quadrant every time.
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Mar 4, 2017 09:09
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You know I never thought about it this way, but after TOS did Friday's Child how did SG-1 think that really early Mongol episode was a good idea?
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Mar 4, 2017 11:12
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Orv posted:You know I never thought about it this way, but after TOS did Friday's Child how did SG-1 think that really early Mongol episode was a good idea? You mean the one that was written by the same person who wrote TNG's "Code of Honor" and is basically the same episode, only racist in a different way?
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Mar 4, 2017 12:56
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Oh man, really? That's a beautiful circle of poo poo. E: Even more beautifully, they're both the third episode of their shows. Goddamnit sci-fi. Orv fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Mar 4, 2017 |
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Mar 4, 2017 13:30
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Baronjutter posted:The show was obviously never written with any clear geography in mind and the maps are total bullshit someone rubber stamped "canon" Yeah, I think those "maps" were kludged from fragmentary on screen references which contradicted themselves so they had to stretch to make them geographically correct to canon. And even after all this, they managed to show a Warp 5 ship in the pilot episode of Enterprise zooming off to Qo'noS in like 3 days. 
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Mar 4, 2017 14:27
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What? Friday's Child was a D.C. Fontana script. Edit: Never mind, completely misread that
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Mar 4, 2017 14:28
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TOS "The Apple" is funny. "Captain, what about the prime directive?" "Yeah but these aliens are sexless losers, get a job you drat hippies!" *destroys machine that may or may not be responsible for the survival of their planet and entire species* But it's okay because some redshirts got killed by some flowers.
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Mar 4, 2017 14:54
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Sir Lemming posted:TOS "The Apple" is funny. That episode was loving amazing for redshirt deaths. Shot to death by a flower. Stepped on a rock and EXPLODED. Struck by lightning and vaporized. Beaten to death by a bunch of dudes who only recently had the concept of killing explained to them.
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Mar 4, 2017 18:53
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The guy who steps on an exploding rock is my favorite redshirt death ever, it's just so WTF outta nowhere.
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Mar 4, 2017 18:59
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Yeah, I had been disappointed in the amount of literal redshirt deaths until this episode -- this is the definitive redshirt death episode for sure. Funny how it's also one of the only episodes where Kirk is, like, traumatized by their deaths and mourning how they have families and all that. But he's not so sad that he can't end the episode with "lol Spock u look like the devil" -- an almost Trumpian response to being told you violated the prime directive
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Mar 4, 2017 19:14
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Bates posted:I'm only through the 1st season of TOS but it strikes me how much less technobabble there is. They have technology and devices that enable them to do a thing and then they do that and get on with the story. Also, random crewmen do things and have lines so it feels more like a ship with a crew rather than just the main cast with some extras hanging out in the background. It's neat. For all the poo poo that TOS gets about redshirt deaths, the first two seasons were actually pretty good about making the Enterprise seem like a ship with a crew that actually did stuff. There are several episodes where the landing party includes a full security detachment and most episodes had at least a couple of random experts come along on away missions. There were also more offhand comments about work being offloaded to ship departments rather than just "oh a bridge character did this." On an unrelated note, I don't get why so many of you guys are clamoring for a show that takes place in a completely different part of space or in a drastically different time period or whatever. Voyager and Enterprise should be proof that setting changes do absolutely nothing to solve writing problems. Discovery could be set in the prime universe in the Alpha Quadrant literally concurrent with the events of TNG and good writers could still make it feel fresh. Space is as big or as small as the writers want it to be, and there's no reason a show set in familiar territory has to cover familiar ground. On the other hand, poo poo writers will clearly find any excuse at all to drag up and retread old stories no matter how unique you make the setting.
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That's the only possible good thing coming out of Discovery--a new production team not following up to 15 years of prior work could be a fresh new take on Trek. I just wish they had set it after Voyager, so they didn't have to wreck established history to do it.
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Powered Descent posted:Maybe it's sort of like how Russia is usually considered a European country even though most of it is in Asia. Maybe all the parts of the Klingon and Romulan Empires that actually matter are in the Alpha Quadrant. The stuff in the Beta Quadrant is like Siberia -- it has its strategic uses, but it's not where the Empire is actually FROM or anything. This but also dividing up the galaxy into quadrants is completely arbitrary anyway
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Spock: This alien god has a feminine voice in the universal translator. Now I may be a Vulcan, but even I can tell when an alien woman is thirsty for poontang, Zephraim. Cochrane: It was inside me for decades without my consent! It's sick! McCoy: There are aliens inside us every other week! Get with the times old man!
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Mar 4, 2017 22:59
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For what it's worth the DS9 writers made a conscious decision to use Alpha Quadrant all the time to make things less confusing for everyone involved, especially with the constant references to the Gamma Quadrant.
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Mar 4, 2017 23:02
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Subyng posted:This but also dividing up the galaxy into quadrants is completely arbitrary anyway Yeah it always struck me as a very human-centric system considering it divides the galaxy in a way defined by the position of Earth. Doesn't make much sense for other species to use that division, unless they all just agreed upon some universal coordinate system where Earth is at the center because ??? I guess it's similar to the Prime Meridian in that way.
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Pakled posted:Yeah it always struck me as a very human-centric system considering it divides the galaxy in a way defined by the position of Earth. Doesn't make much sense for other species to use that division, unless they all just agreed upon some universal coordinate system where Earth is at the center because ??? Actually the quadrants are not centered on Earth, and in fact they are not consistently defined (Earth may have been said to be the center at one point, sure). Essentially the best answer is that the quadrant system meets in the middle of the Milky Way (as it is the only one that makes any sense), but what angles the borders are defined from is another problem entirely.
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Mar 4, 2017 23:44
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Pakled posted:Yeah it always struck me as a very human-centric system considering it divides the galaxy in a way defined by the position of Earth. Doesn't make much sense for other species to use that division, unless they all just agreed upon some universal coordinate system where Earth is at the center because ??? Universal translator takes care of it. A Vorta mentions "the region in the direction of the constellation Flooovar as seen from the Vorta homeworld, and at a distance of 0.932 to 1.130 of the galactic semimajor axis from our beloved Founders" and the translator says gently caress it and spits out "Alpha Quadrant". (And it makes their lips match up with the words too.)
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Mar 4, 2017 23:51
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The Klingon DS9 episodes are so dull, and Alexander is making this one I'm watching even worse.
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Mar 4, 2017 23:58
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lovely like father, lovely like son. Also Gowron is at least still acceptably Gowron.
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They should have gone the exact opposite route with Alexander. Like, he totally fits into Klingon society and becomes an honorable warrior, so much so that Worf gets jealous of his son and feels kinda like a Federation sell out. Then the Klingon war could happen and he'd feel even more divided in his loyalties. Easy to say with hindsight, but that would have been much more interesting.
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dont even fink about it posted:Actually the quadrants are not centered on Earth, and in fact they are not consistently defined (Earth may have been said to be the center at one point, sure). Essentially the best answer is that the quadrant system meets in the middle of the Milky Way (as it is the only one that makes any sense), but what angles the borders are defined from is another problem entirely.
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They're not "centered" on Earth exactly, but I'm guessing the fact that Earth is right on the border of the alpha and beta quadrants isn't a coincidence. I figure that means that when they were formulating the quadrant system, they drew a line bisecting the galaxy which passed through Earth and then took a 90 degree angle from that and bam, you've got your four quadrants. So to be more precise, the quadrant divisions are defined by the position of Earth relative to the galactic center.
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